Originally Posted by reader123:
“If you were there and had to clean it up it wouldn't be would it.
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“If you were there and had to clean it up it wouldn't be would it.
”
No it wouldn't, but I wasn't...so it was.
The truth is out - will John forgive Stephanie? video
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Originally Posted by Skyrah:
“Stephanie should have shown more respect during that task, but she didn't.
Steph was aggressive and very destructive, throwing a bottle of milk all over the kitchen, then left it for someone else to clean it up.”
“Stephanie should have shown more respect during that task, but she didn't.
Steph was aggressive and very destructive, throwing a bottle of milk all over the kitchen, then left it for someone else to clean it up.”
Absolutely. Well Steph wasn't going to clean it up was she as she can't even wash her own knickers.
Originally Posted by reader123:
“If you were there and had to clean it up it wouldn't be would it.”
“If you were there and had to clean it up it wouldn't be would it.
”
They don't HAVE to clean it up, they just do it so they can whine about it, if that was me I'd have walked away and said, ok you did that, YOU can clean it up.
Originally Posted by Darcyprincess:
“I completely agree, I think it's disgusting. The producers have set John up to be the bad guy for weeks and looking at this forum it's the posters who have watched it for years that see what is happening! The editing when things have happened but have not really rung true and so much more. Plus the BOTS audience and panels have been anti John from the beginning. We get it every show now where the producers have their favourites who they give all the best tasks to and we only have to look back at the Helen Wood getting the pass to the final to know that this is true.
I think they have set John up like a kipper this year and like you say I don't think they have finished with Tiff yet either! To think so many of us have felt sorry for Steph, yes this was a task, but Steph seems to have gone out of her way to wind John up the most when he has been nothing but kind and decent to her and a shoulder to cry on. I have done with Steph too, it'd no wonder the housemates are at the end of their tether with her and maybe we have been wrong about Scott and Danniella being so nasty to her and we just haven't seen enough of what she has really been like. Task or no task, why did she need to throw the milk everywhere? No wonder John is so cross with her!”
“I completely agree, I think it's disgusting. The producers have set John up to be the bad guy for weeks and looking at this forum it's the posters who have watched it for years that see what is happening! The editing when things have happened but have not really rung true and so much more. Plus the BOTS audience and panels have been anti John from the beginning. We get it every show now where the producers have their favourites who they give all the best tasks to and we only have to look back at the Helen Wood getting the pass to the final to know that this is true.
I think they have set John up like a kipper this year and like you say I don't think they have finished with Tiff yet either! To think so many of us have felt sorry for Steph, yes this was a task, but Steph seems to have gone out of her way to wind John up the most when he has been nothing but kind and decent to her and a shoulder to cry on. I have done with Steph too, it'd no wonder the housemates are at the end of their tether with her and maybe we have been wrong about Scott and Danniella being so nasty to her and we just haven't seen enough of what she has really been like. Task or no task, why did she need to throw the milk everywhere? No wonder John is so cross with her!”
Good post Darcy.
Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“They don't HAVE to clean it up, they just do it so they can whine about it, if that was me I'd have walked away and said, ok you did that, YOU can clean it up.”
“They don't HAVE to clean it up, they just do it so they can whine about it, if that was me I'd have walked away and said, ok you did that, YOU can clean it up.”
But it was only a task, that would be bullying.
She didn't mean it etc. etc.
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“That sort of thing is done for REAL too. And when it is it demonstrates CONTEMPT for the other person.
She didn't need to do it and she's not innocent of it. Task or not.
And you say 'doesn't THINK'. I think she actually doesn't CARE.
Because if she DID, she would think wouldn't she.”
“That sort of thing is done for REAL too. And when it is it demonstrates CONTEMPT for the other person.
She didn't need to do it and she's not innocent of it. Task or not.
And you say 'doesn't THINK'. I think she actually doesn't CARE.
Because if she DID, she would think wouldn't she.”
Yes, exactly, Steph shows all the time that she is totally selfish and now we see why she has been nominated so much. Plus like somebody else has said why is she given all the tasks, obviously to stand out for the last few days to look good and is the chosen one. How many times do we have to see this, make a housemate look bad and then set them up for everybody to feel sorry for them so they ride to the final to win?
Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“They don't HAVE to clean it up, they just do it so they can whine about it, if that was me I'd have walked away and said, ok you did that, YOU can clean it up.”
“They don't HAVE to clean it up, they just do it so they can whine about it, if that was me I'd have walked away and said, ok you did that, YOU can clean it up.”
Me too, but we are not in there. They do it as they don't want to live in filth as Steph likes to as she does nothing like Gemma didn't.
Originally Posted by Darcyprincess:
“Yes, exactly, Steph shows all the time that she is totally selfish and now we see why she has been nominated so much. Plus like somebody else has said why is she given all the tasks, obviously to stand out for the last few days to look good and is the chosen one. How many times do we have to see this, make a housemate look bad and then set them up for everybody to feel sorry for them so they ride to the final to win?”
“Yes, exactly, Steph shows all the time that she is totally selfish and now we see why she has been nominated so much. Plus like somebody else has said why is she given all the tasks, obviously to stand out for the last few days to look good and is the chosen one. How many times do we have to see this, make a housemate look bad and then set them up for everybody to feel sorry for them so they ride to the final to win?”
Arggghhhhhhhhhhhh
It's been so blatant this year. Mind it's been blatant before.
Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“They don't HAVE to clean it up, they just do it so they can whine about it, if that was me I'd have walked away and said, ok you did that, YOU can clean it up.”
“They don't HAVE to clean it up, they just do it so they can whine about it, if that was me I'd have walked away and said, ok you did that, YOU can clean it up.”
Because they know what a slob Steph is and not everybody can live in a pig style, even if she doesn't care! This seems to be the biggest problem with Steph, she has no respect for other people's belongings or their space it seems. Even Megan, one of her best friends in the house have said this!
Originally Posted by Darcyprincess:
“I completely agree, I think it's disgusting. The producers have set John up to be the bad guy for weeks and looking at this forum it's the posters who have watched it for years that see what is happening! The editing when things have happened but have not really rung true and so much more. Plus the BOTS audience and panels have been anti John from the beginning. We get it every show now where the producers have their favourites who they give all the best tasks to and we only have to look back at the Helen Wood getting the pass to the final to know that this is true.
I think they have set John up like a kipper this year and like you say I don't think they have finished with Tiff yet either! To think so many of us have felt sorry for Steph, yes this was a task, but Steph seems to have gone out of her way to wind John up the most when he has been nothing but kind and decent to her and a shoulder to cry on. I have done with Steph too, it'd no wonder the housemates are at the end of their tether with her and maybe we have been wrong about Scott and Danniella being so nasty to her and we just haven't seen enough of what she has really been like. Task or no task, why did she need to throw the milk everywhere? No wonder John is so cross with her!”
“I completely agree, I think it's disgusting. The producers have set John up to be the bad guy for weeks and looking at this forum it's the posters who have watched it for years that see what is happening! The editing when things have happened but have not really rung true and so much more. Plus the BOTS audience and panels have been anti John from the beginning. We get it every show now where the producers have their favourites who they give all the best tasks to and we only have to look back at the Helen Wood getting the pass to the final to know that this is true.
I think they have set John up like a kipper this year and like you say I don't think they have finished with Tiff yet either! To think so many of us have felt sorry for Steph, yes this was a task, but Steph seems to have gone out of her way to wind John up the most when he has been nothing but kind and decent to her and a shoulder to cry on. I have done with Steph too, it'd no wonder the housemates are at the end of their tether with her and maybe we have been wrong about Scott and Danniella being so nasty to her and we just haven't seen enough of what she has really been like. Task or no task, why did she need to throw the milk everywhere? No wonder John is so cross with her!”
I'm sorry, but while I do feel for John at times (and genuinely so - please see previous posts), and don't think he's anyway near as bad as he has been portrayed - he has brought some of this on himself (just like Steph has in her instances of getting certain criticisms).
He is a bit of a schemer (Tiff, Megan, Gemma and many forum members have called him out on this - so that's people INSIDE and OUTSIDE the house - don't think they can ALL be wrong on that particular point).
I am a Steph supporter but have readily recognised her negative traits (feel free to click on my profile to read some posts if you can be bothered). But John supporters just don't seem to want to admit that he has this side to him.
Instead, they are now resorting to stretching the imagination to really believing Steph was somehow doing this on purpose (the milk thing) to "get at" John. It's getting somewhat pathetic (with respect).
They all have faults. Steph can be very immature and inconsiderate, but she has a good heart. John is a great HM, can be very caring, but he also has a narcissistic side.
Originally Posted by Darcyprincess:
“Yes, exactly, Steph shows all the time that she is totally selfish and now we see why she has been nominated so much. Plus like somebody else has said why is she given all the tasks, obviously to stand out for the last few days to look good and is the chosen one. How many times do we have to see this, make a housemate look bad and then set them up for everybody to feel sorry for them so they ride to the final to win?”
“Yes, exactly, Steph shows all the time that she is totally selfish and now we see why she has been nominated so much. Plus like somebody else has said why is she given all the tasks, obviously to stand out for the last few days to look good and is the chosen one. How many times do we have to see this, make a housemate look bad and then set them up for everybody to feel sorry for them so they ride to the final to win?”
Completely agree. As for Steph we've actually seen her behave like this when it hasn't been a task, spot the difference.
Originally Posted by gelefsky:
“I'm sorry, but while I do feel for John at times (and genuinely so - please see previous posts), and don't think he's anyway near as bad as he has been portrayed - he has brought some of this on himself (just like Steph has in her instances of getting certain criticisms).
He is a bit of a schemer (Tiff, Megan, Gemma and many forum members have called him out on this - so that's people INSIDE and OUTSIDE the house - don't think they can ALL be wrong on that particular point).
I am a Steph supporter but have readily recognised her negative traits (feel free to click on my profile to read some posts if you can be bothered). But John supporters just don't seem to want to admit that he has this side to him.
Instead, they are now resorting to stretching the imagination to really believing Steph was somehow doing this on purpose (the milk thing) to "get at" John. It's getting somewhat pathetic (with respect).
They all have faults. Steph can be very immature and inconsiderate, but she has a good heart. John is a great HM, can be very caring, but he also has a narcissistic side.”
“I'm sorry, but while I do feel for John at times (and genuinely so - please see previous posts), and don't think he's anyway near as bad as he has been portrayed - he has brought some of this on himself (just like Steph has in her instances of getting certain criticisms).
He is a bit of a schemer (Tiff, Megan, Gemma and many forum members have called him out on this - so that's people INSIDE and OUTSIDE the house - don't think they can ALL be wrong on that particular point).
I am a Steph supporter but have readily recognised her negative traits (feel free to click on my profile to read some posts if you can be bothered). But John supporters just don't seem to want to admit that he has this side to him.
Instead, they are now resorting to stretching the imagination to really believing Steph was somehow doing this on purpose (the milk thing) to "get at" John. It's getting somewhat pathetic (with respect).
They all have faults. Steph can be very immature and inconsiderate, but she has a good heart. John is a great HM, can be very caring, but he also has a narcissistic side.”
Actually that is not quite correct as John has faults the same as everyone else. I think the John supporters are just fed up with how unfair he has been portrayed on the show and also on BBOTS, this has then continued on here and he has been blamed for literally everything, whilst the likes of Scotty and Darren who gossip and moan with the best of them get away with it.
Originally Posted by Lisa670:
“Completely agree. As for Steph we've actually seen her behave like this when it hasn't been a task, spot the difference.”
“Completely agree. As for Steph we've actually seen her behave like this when it hasn't been a task, spot the difference.”
Unfortunately there is no difference.
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“They were pissed off because she's a brat anyway and quite capable of being so stupidly nasty.
It's not funny when it feels contemptuous and real.”
“They were pissed off because she's a brat anyway and quite capable of being so stupidly nasty.
It's not funny when it feels contemptuous and real.”
Exactly that.
Originally Posted by gelefsky:
“I'm sorry, but while I do feel for John at times (and genuinely so - please see previous posts), and don't think he's anyway near as bad as he has been portrayed - he has brought some of this on himself (just like Steph has in her instances of getting certain criticisms).
He is a bit of a schemer (Tiff, Megan, Gemma and many forum members have called him out on this - so that's people INSIDE and OUTSIDE the house - don't think they can ALL be wrong on that particular point).
I am a Steph supporter but have readily recognised her negative traits (feel free to click on my profile to read some posts if you can be bothered). But John supporters just don't seem to want to admit that he has this side to him.
Instead, they are now resorting to stretching the imagination to really believing Steph was somehow doing this on purpose (the milk thing) to "get at" John. It's getting somewhat pathetic (with respect).
They all have faults. Steph can be very immature and inconsiderate, but she has a good heart. John is a great HM, can be very caring, but he also has a narcissistic side.”
“I'm sorry, but while I do feel for John at times (and genuinely so - please see previous posts), and don't think he's anyway near as bad as he has been portrayed - he has brought some of this on himself (just like Steph has in her instances of getting certain criticisms).
He is a bit of a schemer (Tiff, Megan, Gemma and many forum members have called him out on this - so that's people INSIDE and OUTSIDE the house - don't think they can ALL be wrong on that particular point).
I am a Steph supporter but have readily recognised her negative traits (feel free to click on my profile to read some posts if you can be bothered). But John supporters just don't seem to want to admit that he has this side to him.
Instead, they are now resorting to stretching the imagination to really believing Steph was somehow doing this on purpose (the milk thing) to "get at" John. It's getting somewhat pathetic (with respect).
They all have faults. Steph can be very immature and inconsiderate, but she has a good heart. John is a great HM, can be very caring, but he also has a narcissistic side.”
With respect I put the idea forward that she MIGHT have done it to get at John.
OR that she just doesn't care about John or anyone else other than herself and it was all about HER big moment.
And have argued for the SECOND proposition as most likely.
And I think it's a bit pathetic not to see that throwing that milk all around the kitchen with him standing in it, could be explained in another way. After all, she didn't have to do it.
So it's all about Steph and not even a glimmer of consideration, for John particularly.
Originally Posted by reader123:
“Actually that is not quite correct as John has faults the same as everyone else. I think the John supporters are just fed up with how unfair he has been portrayed on the show and also on BBOTS, this has then continued on here and he has been blamed for literally everything, whilst the likes of Scotty and Darren who gossip and moan with the best of them get away with it.”
“Actually that is not quite correct as John has faults the same as everyone else. I think the John supporters are just fed up with how unfair he has been portrayed on the show and also on BBOTS, this has then continued on here and he has been blamed for literally everything, whilst the likes of Scotty and Darren who gossip and moan with the best of them get away with it.”
I've supported John all the way through, even on the Darren thing, although not on the Tiffany thing at the beginning (telling her that no-one wanted her in the house). He calmed down a lot with the telling people what to do, but it seems since Gemma left the house that's come back with a vengeance, along with a rather bitchy side. He was scowling when Steph got cheered and he seemed really annoyed that she stayed. Since then he's jumped on every little thing she's done, and the only reason I can think of as to why, is that he's afraid she's going to win after hearing those cheers. I'm quite upset that, for me, he's fallen at the last hurdle and now I have no-one left to support in there. The only two I don't mind too much in there now are Tiff and Steph, but I don't like them enough to spend money on them to win.
Originally Posted by Rhumbatugger:
“Chucking all that milk around wasn't just 'overplaying it'. It actually shocked me. That was disgusting and unnecessary. It was contemptuous.
And she can't be 'innocent' of it. It wasn't in the script.”
“Chucking all that milk around wasn't just 'overplaying it'. It actually shocked me. That was disgusting and unnecessary. It was contemptuous.
And she can't be 'innocent' of it. It wasn't in the script.”
she was just doing her best to be convincing & pass the task, just like john & darren when they were asked to have a food fight. neither party were asked to make a mess but theyre actors & played the parts convincingly by getting fully into their roles
Originally Posted by Flower Pot:
“she was just doing her best to be convincing & pass the task, just like john & darren when they were asked to have a food fight. neither party were asked to make a mess but theyre actors & played the parts convincingly by getting fully into their roles”
“she was just doing her best to be convincing & pass the task, just like john & darren when they were asked to have a food fight. neither party were asked to make a mess but theyre actors & played the parts convincingly by getting fully into their roles”
Exactly so, they were told to spoil the food, not to have a food fight, Steph chucked one thing and suddenly it's because "it's all about her" ? Not fair to have one rule for them and another for her.
Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“Exactly so, they were told to spoil the food, not to have a food fight, Steph chucked one thing and suddenly it's because "it's all about her" ? Not fair to have one rule for them and another for her.”
“Exactly so, they were told to spoil the food, not to have a food fight, Steph chucked one thing and suddenly it's because "it's all about her" ? Not fair to have one rule for them and another for her.”
They were asked to spoil the food.
She was asked to be the centre of attention by having a row.
There's a difference to be spotted there.
Who else other than John was in the kitchen when she did the dramatics with the milk I wonder.........
Originally Posted by gelefsky:
“Yeh right. She was doing that on purpose with somehow having a "sense" that it would get at John?....And yet I keep being told on other threads that "she really likes John" and "she has not taken offence" at anything he has said, and they have "been having a laugh together".
It can't be both?
She just over-acted here. Typical Steph”
“Yeh right. She was doing that on purpose with somehow having a "sense" that it would get at John?....And yet I keep being told on other threads that "she really likes John" and "she has not taken offence" at anything he has said, and they have "been having a laugh together".
It can't be both?
She just over-acted here. Typical Steph
”
most FM i've read have said to the contrary that she has no respect for John whatsoever ! she never listens to him, ignores his advice so she ends up rubbing the HMs up the other way and wonders why ! John doesn't have a laugh wtih Stephanie, he tolerates her as do the others. She has been in Jeremy's pocket only up until day ago anyway, and didn't really give a sh*t about the other Hms.
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