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Okay producers...we get it....you want to ensure John is out first tomorrow night...
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catt
04-02-2016
I also thought Vanessa was really rough on John. Seemed really harsh.
He took it really well. I have so much respect for him. Nothing will change my mind on that.
Kittygodfree
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“Interesting views from both of you.

I honestly don't get it at all and was rather shocked at how he's been perceived by the panel on BBOTS. Why is he more a villain than for example, Tiff.....or even Gemma? What has he said that's been worse than what Darren said about Tiffany, what Scotty said about Steph......etc. ......

The answer is.....not one thing!

He has been far more supportive than most of the other hms and been there for practically every single one of them when they've needed comfort.

So yes, you both have got a point and worth looking into a bit more.”

I remember BBBOTS doing the same hatchet job on Aaron Allard a few years ago, he came out to horrendous boos and I was never sure what he was supposed to have done. John has been a great addition to the house , it's unfair
puddytat
04-02-2016
I'll bung John an extra vote I think, he's had a lot to put up with. Steph is unspeakable.
Stellen11
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“Just name one thing that he's done wrong that is WORSE than what any of the other hms have done throughout the course of the show???”

Stephs brilliant acting has done him up like a kipper. He has been nasty and aggressive to steph for a long time now. He has angrily shut her down and bitched behind her back CONSTANTLY. I dont get how some of you are holding him up as some kind of saint. he is a sly, game playing fishwife. A flip flopper and a coward. Creeping around tiffany, talking like an american, kissing her ass, when he thinks she is popular with the public.
Kittygodfree
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by Stellen11:
“Stephs brilliant acting has done him up like a kipper. He has been nasty and aggressive to steph for a long time now. He has angrily shut her down and bitched behind her back CONSTANTLY. I dont get how some of you are holding him up as some kind of saint. he is a sly, game playing fishwife. A flip flopper and a coward. Creeping around tiffany, talking like an american, kissing her ass, when he thinks she is popular with the public.”

So you like him then
reader123
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“I know. It's so obvious.

They so clearly want John first out tomorrow.

The only thing I can think of is that they were aware that Johnny was gaining momentum over the last two weeks but the last few days have done a hatchet job on him because they don't want him anywhere near the top3.

Looks like they're going to get what they want.

The poor guy is going to come out to boos tomorrow.”

Sad isn't it. I feel so sorry for him.
reader123
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by puddytat:
“I'll bung John an extra vote I think, he's had a lot to put up with. Steph is unspeakable.”


Flora_McDonald
04-02-2016
I really like John. I have a lot of respect for him having watched him on CBB. He's got so much integrity and strength of character, and is a very sincere man.

My other fave is Danni. Her comment that if her kids are proud of her then her job on earth is done, brought tears to my eyes.
catt
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by Flora_McDonald:
“I really like John. I have a lot of respect for him having watched him on CBB. My other fave is Danni. Her comment that if her kids are proud of her then her job on earth is done, brought tears to my eyes.”

Yea I like her too. She's authentic. As is John.
My top two without question.
zolug
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by reader123:
“”

Looks like a waste of money considering Scotty T has it in the bag especially with all the carry on from the Georgie Shore crew and their scam voting .
Lily Darling
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by GrozzyGirl:
“John is an arrogant man who has a bitchy sly streak and an inability to laugh at himself.
The show has unmasked him, it's not the edit, it's him

But if you're a nailed on fan for some reason you will not admit it.”


There's an element within John's fans who seem besotted with him and have an image of him that doesn't bear any resemblance to what the rest of us are seeing/hearing.
KatrinaK
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by Stellen11:
“ He has been nasty and aggressive to steph for a long time now..”

Erm, no he hasn't. He's only lost his rag with her for the last two days.

On a whole, he's been very kind and supportive. You have a short memory.

Johns main beef has always been with Gemma.

Actually, it's Tiffany, Steph and Darren that he's spent the most time conversing with in that house.

No one is claiming John is a saint. He is flawed (just like Steph - lets not pretend she's a saint either) but he's not a nasty man.
Cloudy2
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by catt:
“I also thought Vanessa was really rough on John. Seemed really harsh.
He took it really well. I have so much respect for him. Nothing will change my mind on that.”

Not just Vanessa. It was John's turn to be thrown under the bus by BB. If I voted I would be voting for him.
jeanoj
04-02-2016
If the odds are anywhere near the truth Scotty and Dani will be first and second and they haven't been anywhere near as good housemates as John and Tiff. It is a travesty but I am still voting for him - he doesn't deserve to be first out tomorrow.
Cat-
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by Stellen11:
“Stephs brilliant acting has done him up like a kipper. He has been nasty and aggressive to steph for a long time now. He has angrily shut her down and bitched behind her back CONSTANTLY. I dont get how some of you are holding him up as some kind of saint. he is a sly, game playing fishwife. A flip flopper and a coward. Creeping around tiffany, talking like an american, kissing her ass, when he thinks she is popular with the public.”

Oh c'mon, you can't be this bitter about a contestant on a TV show. Are you?
Even I don't feel that bad towards Steph. Just that she's a spoilt manipulative little brat who turns on the tears so fast, shower companies should sign her up.

Originally Posted by Flora_McDonald:
“I really like John. I have a lot of respect for him having watched him on CBB. My other fave is Danni. Her comment that if her kids are proud of her then her job on earth is done, brought tears to my eyes.”

That was very touching. Well done Danni
reader123
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by Lily Darling:
“There's an element within John's fans who seem besotted with him and have an image of him that doesn't bear any resemblance to what the rest of us are seeing/hearing.”

Actually you could not be more wrong. John has loads of flaws just like everyone else in there, if he didn't he would not be real to me. I just think he is an ok bloke who has gotten a pretty bad time from the producers and has been stitched up completely.
zolug
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by Flora_McDonald:
“I really like John. I have a lot of respect for him having watched him on CBB. My other fave is Danni. Her comment that if her kids are proud of her then her job on earth is done, brought tears to my eyes.”

Seriously how could her kids be proud of her ,she has behaved like a nasty spiteful bitter jealous supposedly mature woman towards Steph whos only crime was to act childish and fall in love in the house ,
KatrinaK
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by Lily Darling:
“There's an element within John's fans who seem besotted with him and have an image of him that doesn't bear any resemblance to what the rest of us are seeing/hearing.”

To be fair you can say that for fans of all the housemates.

Fans are always going to hold their favorite to higher regard to the detractors.

I've seen this from Tiff and Steph fans, aswell as Johnny.

I love TIff BTW.
sheils1
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“Erm, no he hasn't. He's only lost his rag with her for the last two days.

On a whole, he's been very kind and supportive. You have a short memory.

Johns main beef has always been with Gemma.

Actually, it's Tiffany, Steph and Darren that he's spent the most time conversing with in that house.

No one is claiming John is a saint. He is flawed (just like Steph - lets not pretend she's a saint either) but he's not a nasty man.”

Yeah i think you will find lots of people on here are acting like John is a saint.
detroit city
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by Lily Darling:
“There's an element within John's fans who seem besotted with him and have an image of him that doesn't bear any resemblance to what the rest of us are seeing/hearing.”

It's cult like
GrozzyGirl
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by reader123:
“Actually you could not be more wrong. John has loads of flaws just like everyone else in there, if he didn't he would not be real to me. I just think he is an ok bloke who has gotten a pretty bad time from the producers and has been stitched up completely.”

This is the denial I see all the time. It's laughable because you are doing it right in front of your own eyes.
you say he has flaws but then immediately excuse his awful behaviour as a stitch up

The is no reason to think that, there is no evidence as to why they would want to.

Johns a git and when we see him being horrible it's because he's being horrible.
Cat-
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by zolug:
“Seriously how could her kids be proud of her ,she has behaved like a nasty spiteful bitter jealous supposedly mature woman towards Steph whos only crime was to act childish and fall in love in the house ,”

So let's get this right.

Are you saying Daniella fell out with Steph because she is childish and fell in love in the house?
Stellen11
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“Oh c'mon, you can't be this bitter about a contestant on a TV show. Are you? ”

You did ask the question.
KatrinaK
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by reader123:
“I just think he is an ok bloke who has gotten a pretty bad time from the producers and has been stitched up completely.”

And for me, this is the crux of it.

I'm not going to sit here and claim John is a saint. Of course he's flawed. He can be grumpy, bitchy, controlling and a bit pompus at times but my god he's not nasty, a bully, vile, terrible (all things he's been accused of this past week).

When you look at the clips that have been on the Channel; 4 website, especially those you see between him and Steph, it's quite clear to see how they've edited him.

John was right tonight when he said they were puppets, and later to Darren about them all having thier roles to play. John has been cast as the villain. Let's not pretend he hasn't been.
GrozzyGirl
04-02-2016
Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“To be fair you can say that for fans of all the housemates.

Fans are always going to hold their favorite to higher regard to the detractors.

I've seen this from Tiff and Steph fans, aswell as Johnny.

I love TIff BTW.”

The fans who are unreasonable are johns and Stephs, tiffs tend to be a bit blinkered but nowhere near as offensive in their defence of their HM.
I think it's an odd attitude IMO.
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