Wtf..

The man in question has a reputation as a cheat himself.

It's not really taken to school though is it, he probably makes a good point about race 2/32 not great.

Mind you #I often think it's down to casting, they like stereotypes, and the stereotypes of blacks they like are often loud, aggressive and brash, and that's never going to go down well with the British public.

The Misogyny and teen girl thing though rather diluted his message.

Did you notice there were 13 white people that also didn`t win.. does this mean Britain hates white people

an american has won before

More foreigners have won than non-White people too. Two of the main show winners were foreigners (Luke A's wiki says he was from South Africa but I hardly watched his series so can't confirm) for example.

As posted in the other thread pertainins to racism, I will copy what I said and paste it here, as I feel it is relevant here too...

The exhibition of white previlige in this thread is flooring to me. But I do not know why at this point. It is the same thing on this forum year to year. It is the same thing in life. People who have lived a life of white privelige telling members who have encountered racism, first hand, their entire lives that racism is not not happening when it is a clear factor in many of the Big Brother series, or life circumstances. It is amazing because I know many white people know racism exists, but they have not had to put up with it all their lives - it's subtly, in many instances. It's covertness. They can only really see it when it is slapping them in the face a lot of the time, because it has not been a factor of their lives since birth. And EVEN in some of the obvious cases, you will get some white people trying to explain it away as not being racism. (That is not even talking about some of a few white men who recently told me that racism has long gone with a serious face, but that is beside the point. It has not gone. It is just not PC to be overt about it, so it has become covert and subtle in many instances, that which a person who has experienced racism before will STILL be able to pick up on) It is something that many white people truly appear to be blind to, hence why when people point out that racism is a factor, many white people will often find every other explination to explain why racism is not a factor, because they are not racist themselves and often cannot imagine it playing such a role. We'll hear things like, 'stop pulling the race card,' or the classic, 'well YOU are the racist one.''

It is mad how the privelige itself allows those in a priveliged position to tell the systematically opressed what is and what is not racism, when the privelige is the very thing that makes them blind to the more sublte essences of racism. YET, the privelige is so established that it states that it knows what oppression is better than the oppressed, from a PLACE of privelige!!! This is deep rooted stuff. Yes, there are some cases where yelling racism is ridiculous. But in the majority of cases, there is validity to it, and having people tell you - as a person of color - to stop pulling the race card, when you have much more of a feel for what constitutes racism than they ever will, will never cease to be offensive.

Did any of you guys ever see that experiment, where the person of color sat down beside a white girl at the bus shelter, said he did not have enough money, and kindly asked her if she could spare some change? Firstly, as soon as he sat down, she scooted over. (And I bet she does not even think she is racist, but the societal brainwashing that she, along with others, have undergone as it pertains to race, caused her to respond that way automatically. The fear was instanty within her as soon as the boy sat down, because he was black, thanks to societal programming. The same fear that causes many white people to be on guard around black people, so that the moment a black person expresses a negative emotion, we are instantly being 'aggressive' because that was what the white person was expecting and looking for for the beginning) Anyway, she said no she did not have any spare change. The boy left shortly after,

They did the same thing with a white boy shortly after, with the same white girl. She did not scoot over when her sat next to her, and when asked if she had spare change, she happily handed the money over. I think they even had a brief casual conversation. The white boy - the actor - was later shown to be visibly upset and SHOCKED by how different her reactions were, because he was not privy to just how much of a factor racism is in the day to day life of a person of color, since he has not had to live that experience himself. There is definitely a blindspot when it comes the racism and many white people, and it is down to white privelige. They know racism is a thing, in the majority, but do not know the extent to which is is a factor because of the lacking experience. On top of that, many of those who carry racist programming will never admit that they hold racist views, when they in fact do!! Many without even being aware of it. We are all a product of our envoriment, sadly. The views are often in us, whether we consciously subscribe to them or not. Whether we consciously WANT to subscribe to them or not.

If Luke A was born in South Africa, there can't have been many viewers who though of him as such. I can't recall it ever being mentioned before, though I suppose it must (if true) have been in his profile somewhere. In any case, he wasn't a foreigner. He was a British citizen who grew up in Wales.

I thought she did very well considering no one knew who she was when she entered the house

There was one black person who didn't win the final and FOUR white people who didn't win, which shows clear anti-white racism. Someone needs to call Ofcom


Stopped reading there. Don't try and bring that American 'social justice' militant leftism here, spouting that 'white privilege' crap is nothing more than racism

Whilst I can't say it did or didn't, neither can you unless you have done a poll to assess every single voters motivation for voting.

As a great man one said, 'who feels it know it.'

Yup, just as the poster said. Tick.

Wow. Okay. How many of those 13 white people had tons of people, celebrities, non celebrities - including the hosts I might add - saying how much they loved them and that they were their favourites and they made the show?
If Tiffany had been a clearly boring or hated character (by the majority) we would not be having this particular conversation. No one here is asking why Winston didn't win.
Having said that we must factor in that Geordie Shore contestants come with a large following. Stephanie and Darren I can't explain away so easily.

That doesn't matter guv'nor e's a change maaaan, *look humble.*

that was a big windup with Tif... you could see her almost lauging at time.. but I didnt like how crude talking she was.. She said in her interview that it was her.. of course it wasnt... she wants into other shows and doesnt want to spoil pretending who she is..

There are plenty of black women that I like. Tiffany Pollard is not one of them. She is far from being my idea of the perfect housemate. She brought me annoyance but no laughter, tears or entertainment.

Exactly. But people with privelege will still tell you whether or or not something that you have felt and experienced since birth is valid or not. Very offensive and insulting, and a true testament to the fact that white privelige is a thing. Many white people are so priveliged, they are removed from the opression to the point where they cannot see it even when faced with that which would be an obvious case of racism to someone who has experienced racism since birth. Yet still want to tell you that you are not expereincing what you know you are experiencing, and think it is perfectly ok to do so, due to the fact that their privelge has made them accustomed to being able to dictate the standards.

That in and of itself is why nothing will change. People hear terms such as that, and instantly shut off - for various reasons - when there are things to be learned from the perspective of those that are opressed. White privelege is the reason why white people think it is ok to tell the opressed that they are not expreiencing opression. If you had bothered to read the rest of my post, you may have learned something or gained fresh insight. I explain the privelige in a very clear, concise, way. I also explained why I think it is that white people will often deny that any racism is taking place at all, when racism is clearly taking place, and it is link to that. But you do not want to understand or hear it, and would rather bury your head in the sand because most likely you are a white person and can afford to. You hear terms like white privellge and think whoa, gotta get out of here because my white guilt if flaring up. I am not shocked by responses like yours. They are so very common, and a classic example of a complete and lack of understanding as well as an example of completely shutting off, because you don't want to see things from the oppressed's point of view and risk feeling guilty, or like you are bad. Nobody is saying you are bad for being priveliged and white. It is just the way things are, unfortunately. White privilige is a thing in the court room, it is a thing when it comes to getting jobs, it is a thing when it comes to dating, it is a thing when you walk into a shop and the owners are 'covertly' watching or following you, it is a thing when it comes to these hidden camera social experiements, which PROVE white privilige exists. If you had read all of my post, you would have gotten to that part. Like, are you kidding me? It is not a term that is meant to attack, so check your ego at the door. This is not about you. I love how when talking about institutionalized racism, the race that is not opressed in large institutionalised number is the one that has the audacity to cry racism. THAT is a symptom of white privilige in and of itself. White people have privilelge, and it is not racist to point that out. Stop being such a baby and face that fact.

The correct term would be voting viewers IMO

I think the top 3 should have been Darren Scotty and Tiff. - no particular order.
I'd have had Steph 6th (actually I'd have her deported) John 5th and Danni 4th.
I'm not a racist or misognist or an idiot.
They are some pretty hefty insults to throw at people who don't share your views on the order competitors should leave the BB house.

"Whomever smelt it, doth dealt it"

Get a Black person on Geordie Shore & job done.
Are there any black people on GS? I'm just guessing there aren't.
I didn't mind Tiff at times, but her vulgarity put me right off quite often.

Absolutely ^this^.

Scotty won because he kept his head down most of the time you hardly knew he was there. And the appeal he would have to female fans as well.
I hoped Steph would win because she was quite a character and she was entertaining. Tiffany was vulgar and her constant outbursts were not entertaining. Nothing to do with her being black at all.

I get the feeling you would have actually been disappointed if Tiffany had won, you would have had bugger all to bang your patronising, down right insulting, drum about.

I thought Scotty was a nice lad who deserved to win.