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Beyoncè - Formation
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mgvsmith
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“I can't stop listening to the song. SNL done a sketch taking the piss out of the way white people have reacted over the song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ociMBfkDG1w”

I'm impressed how one song can make such an impact, divide opinion so much. If art can help us understand the world a bit better then 'Formation' is art. Really loving Bey right now.
Tejas
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by spaceygal:
“Absolutely ghastly song and video! The song is like nails down a blackboard to me! I've liked a lot of Beyonce's stuff over the years but think this song is truly horrendous! Tuneless, monotonous noise! The lyrics - well if they're about black empowerment, fine, that's great, but why does she have to write lyrics that make her sound illiterate?! A 3 year old could write better English than that, I'm sure! All those stupid slang terms that make her sound dumb! "I'm a star, I'm a star, cause I slay, slay I slay, hey, I slay, okay, I slay, okay, all day, okay, I slay, okay, I slay okay..." Yeah okay Beyonce, if you say so!!(”

Absolutely spot on!

I'm sure there are people out there who are outraged by this stand against racism, but equally plenty of people are just appalled by Beyonce's apparent stand against music with this drivel.
mialicious
14-02-2016
It good to see her try to inject some kind of talking point into her music, there are artists out there making much better political songs that don't beat around the bush at all that don't get half the attention, and she has a platform to really make a statement that people take notice of because of the huge star she is..and it has got people talking which is good (11 years to late) but ok. But what really takes away from any positive aspect is the fact that this is a really crap song. how can anyone relate to it. Givenchy dress, slay bitch and red lobster? The lyrics are self centered, shes just shaking her butt and and some people are going on like she's Harriet Tubman. I feel she would make a greater statement if she allowed the world to see her real hair, stopped making her legs and bum slimmer in photographs and stopped permitting herself to be whitened in L'oreal adverts.
Rae_Amury
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“I can't stop listening to the song. SNL done a sketch taking the piss out of the way white people have reacted over the song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ociMBfkDG1w”

Quite ironic considering that media and people were mostly supportive of the message (not always the song itself tho what is also my case) and the one organizing the "boycott page" the whole furor is mostly based around (and blown out of proportions) is a black pastor who is working with teens lol
firefly_irl
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by mialicious:
“It good to see her try to inject some kind of talking point into her music, there are artists out there making much better political songs that don't beat around the bush at all that don't get half the attention, and she has a platform to really make a statement that people take notice of because of the huge star she is..and it has got people talking which is good (11 years to late) but ok. But what really takes away from any positive aspect is the fact that this is a really crap song. how can anyone relate to it. Givenchy dress, slay bitch and red lobster? The lyrics are self centered, shes just shaking her butt and and some people are going on like she's Harriet Tubman. I feel she would make a greater statement if she allowed the world to see her real hair, stopped making her legs and bum slimmer in photographs and stopped permitting herself to be whitened in L'oreal adverts.”

I kind of agree, in terms of political songs it really isn't all that but at least its something. When big "stars" try and do politics I never buy it, remember when Madonna tried to take a pop at the War in Iraq but shit herself and changed her music video after the Dixie Chicks drama. Its like they just want their point to get them publicity but not rock the boat to the point of possibly taking a career hit.
Master Ozzy
14-02-2016
She's already had to add extra stadium tour dates. The boycott is going well then .
mialicious
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by firefly_irl:
“I kind of agree, in terms of political songs it really isn't all that but at least its something. When big "stars" try and do politics I never buy it, remember when Madonna tried to take a pop at the War in Iraq but shit herself and changed her music video after the Dixie Chicks drama. Its like they just want their point to get them publicity but not rock the boat to the point of possibly taking a career hit.”

Yes at least it is something but the song is full of product endorsements..trying to say make a statement but hiding safely behind her pile of money. You never ever hear Beyonce say "Im no role model, the REAL role models are:____" She has the platform to bring those names to light.
mgvsmith
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by mialicious:
“It good to see her try to inject some kind of talking point into her music, there are artists out there making much better political songs that don't beat around the bush at all that don't get half the attention, and she has a platform to really make a statement that people take notice of because of the huge star she is..and it has got people talking which is good (11 years to late) but ok. But what really takes away from any positive aspect is the fact that this is a really crap song. how can anyone relate to it. Givenchy dress, slay bitch and red lobster? The lyrics are self centered, shes just shaking her butt and and some people are going on like she's Harriet Tubman. I feel she would make a greater statement if she allowed the world to see her real hair, stopped making her legs and bum slimmer in photographs and stopped permitting herself to be whitened in L'oreal adverts.”

'Formation' is a political song but not a polemical song. It's a African-American identification song so it is unlikely to be understood or appeal to everyone. The lyrics are about herself and her cultural identification. Bey is hardly the only one to make the political personal or the personal political?

As for Beyonce's appearance, maybe she can/could look more ethnic. Would she have been as successful, I'm not sure? But turning a woman's appearance against her is hardly original or helpful.
mialicious
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“'Formation' is a political song but not a polemical song. It's a African-American identification song so it is unlikely to be understood or appeal to everyone. The lyrics are about herself and her cultural identification. Bey is hardly the only one to make the political personal or the personal political?

As for Beyonce's appearance, maybe she can/could look more ethnic. Would she have been as successful, I'm not sure? But turning a woman's appearance against her is hardly original or helpful.”

'African american identification song' give me a break.. How can the average african american relate to the lyrics? People who's lives were effected by katrina and in ferguson are a world away from her. They dont even play her music in those areas.
mgvsmith
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by mialicious:
“'African american identification song' give me a break.. How can the average african american relate to the lyrics? People who's lives were effected by katrina and in ferguson are a world away from her. They dont even play her music in those areas.”

That's the gap she's trying to close. Don't rely on me....check out Killer Mike on Bill Maher

Or Wendy or SNL or Twitter....
mialicious
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“That's the gap she's trying to close. Don't rely on me....check out Killer Mike on Bill Maher

Or Wendy or SNL or Twitter....”

I saw that Killer mike interview earlier weirdly enough. He's talking about why white people are making noise about it. not black people.
Tejas
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“As for Beyonce's appearance, maybe she can/could look more ethnic. Would she have been as successful, I'm not sure? But turning a woman's appearance against her is hardly original or helpful.”

I think its very relevant if she is happy for official images of her to be touched up so her skin looks paler. IMO it makes her a total hypocrite. I'm pleased to see others are also picking up on the shallow and juvenile nature of the lyrics. But hey, her tour has apparently sold well so I guess the public got the message that she wanted them to - buy my tickets!
mgvsmith
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by mialicious:
“I saw that Killer mike interview earlier weirdly enough. He's talking about why white people are making noise about it. not black people.”

He was saying the song wasn't for white people...he may be right, he may be wrong, either way.... It's not a rebel song.

Originally Posted by Tejas:
“I think its very relevant if she is happy for official images of her to be touched up so her skin looks paler. IMO it makes her a total hypocrite. I'm pleased to see others are also picking up on the shallow and juvenile nature of the lyrics. But hey, her tour has apparently sold well so I guess the public got the message that she wanted them to - buy my tickets! ”

You might want to question the reason why Bey's pics would or should be whitened up in the first place before you start throwing terms like 'hypocrite' around. Beyonce isn't the only one affected by Blackism.
shelleyj89
15-02-2016
I've heard the song now and I think it's awful. And I'm not some Beyonce hater, but it wouldn't matter if I was. I have all of her albums up to and including 4, and I like the vast majority of the songs on there. I just don't like her more recent stuff, and think Formation is one of her worst ever songs.

Originally Posted by mgvsmith:
“What is painful about the lyrics? Explain?”

In particular, the "I slay, I slay, Okay" repeat over and over again part is awful.

Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“The lyrics are actually really good and there's meaning in every bit of them. Some people are just too lazy to research the meaning of them. The lyrics and the song along with the video are fantastic in my opinion. It's a great piece of work, and it's raised a lot of discussion and caused a lot of debate. I think it's great.”

Don't tar everyone with the same brush. I'm well aware of the idea behind the song, but I think large parts of the lyrics are really bad and she could have got her point across in a much better, more mature way.
__3kerry
15-02-2016
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“She's already had to add extra stadium tour dates. The boycott is going well then .”

I hope she adds another date for Wembley, gutted I can't go on the Saturday. Tempted to buy a package if she does. Anybody know if packages are any good to buy, or if it's better buying a standard ticket?
Master Ozzy
15-02-2016
Originally Posted by __3kerry:
“I hope she adds another date for Wembley, gutted I can't go on the Saturday. Tempted to buy a package if she does. Anybody know if packages are any good to buy, or if it's better buying a standard ticket?”

I think it's likely as she's already added extra dates for other stadiums and I've just read this morning that they're trying to put on an extra Amsterdam date too...the stadium seats 50,000 people and it sold out in 15 minutes.
__3kerry
15-02-2016
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“I think it's likely as she's already added extra dates for other stadiums and I've just read this morning that they're trying to put on an extra Amsterdam date too...the stadium seats 50,000 people and it sold out in 15 minutes.”

Oh really? I just don't think she'll do the one date in London. Will have to wait and see tomorrow then.
Kai Thompson
15-02-2016
Gah-bage.
TheDC
15-02-2016
Her team are just hitching her to a movement that is growing in popularity ATM IMO.

I've never heard anyone talk about her sons/ daughters hair or husbands nose.

She has however got progressively whiter throughout her carrea, nose has changed shape and I've not seen her with natural ish hair since the say my name video.
digichant
15-02-2016
Originally Posted by TheDC:
“Her team are just hitching her to a movement that is growing in popularity ATM IMO.

I've never heard anyone talk about her sons/ daughters hair or husbands nose.

She has however got progressively whiter throughout her carrea, nose has changed shape and I've not seen her with natural ish hair since the say my name video.”

You clearly don't know what you're talking about with regard to any of the three points you just made.

Unbelievable.
TheDC
15-02-2016
Originally Posted by digichant:
“You clearly don't know what you're talking about with regard to any of the three points you just made.

Unbelievable.”

How so?

I'll admit my Beyonce knowledge is low.
Master Ozzy
15-02-2016
Out of interest, what is everyone's favourite album? Think mine goes as follows from best to worst:

4 - Love the sound that she went for and the live feel. Countdown, Schoolin Life, End Of Time etc all fantastic
B'Day - Love this from start to finish. Deja Vu, Upgrade U and Get Me Bodied being my favourites.
Dangerously In Love - Real old school rnb feel about it. I still even today play this all the time.
BEYONCE - I love this just as much as her first album so it was close. Great songs, great videos, great body of work.
I Am Sasha Fierce - Great album again and the only reason this is my least favourite is because it's a bit too pop for me. It contains some of her most popular singles such as Halo, Single Ladies etc, but it was a bit too pop for me. I prefer her when she's a bit more gritty.
TheDC
15-02-2016
What's funny is when DC split they agreed bk would carry on doing DC type stuff, Kelly would do urban and poor Michelle got Gospel.
jlp95bwfc
15-02-2016
Originally Posted by TheDC:
“Her team are just hitching her to a movement that is growing in popularity ATM IMO.

I've never heard anyone talk about her sons/ daughters hair or husbands nose.

She has however got progressively whiter throughout her carrea, nose has changed shape and I've not seen her with natural ish hair since the say my name video.”

No she hasn't.
Master Ozzy
15-02-2016
Originally Posted by TheDC:
“What's funny is when DC split they agreed bk would carry on doing DC type stuff, Kelly would do urban and poor Michelle got Gospel.”

Oh come on, that's just something made up. How on earth do you know that was agreed? The rumour mill concerning Beyoncé is ridiculous. It's like the whole thing about her and her family not allowing Kelly and Michelle to take centre stage. It's not that they weren't allowed to take centre stage...DC was all about Beyoncé, she was the focus and that was the point. Previous members weren't happy about hat and son left/were fired. It was Beyoncé and two add ons. Kelly and Michelle were obviously aware of that from day one and were happy with that. Beyoncé and her father used DC child to propel Beyoncé, and I think Michelle and Kelly were fully aware that's what the main goal was, and they were happy to go along with it. Michelle was doing gospel work even before DC by the way. All three are still the best of friends even today.
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