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What elements of the Moffat era DON’T you want to see during Chibnall’s reign? |
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Also the Doctor's 'death' in Season 6. Dragged out to the point where even I didn't care anymore.
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No more Doctor dying.
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My main problem with story arcs that are all about foreshadowing the Doctor's death is that it gives the show a feeling that its coming to an end.
For me, the season 6 death was a mystery that needed to be solved. I never bought into it so it didn't impact on the season too much. But the doom and gloom that came with every mention of Trenzalore in season 7 really weighed the show down. And then again, in season 9, we had the Doctor preparing for his death and even sending his Confession Dial to Missy. To a lesser degree, RTD did something similar during David Tennant's final stories and I didn't much like that either. All of these story arcs about the Doctor's impending death have left me with a feeling that he's a tired ancient being who is actually a little bored of existence and ready to move on. Which isn't much fun, especially since he was given a complete new regeneration cycle in The Time of the Doctor. Really he should be jumping about with the joys of spring. So, hopefully, that will all be gone by season 10 and, if not, definitely by season 11. |
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It wasn't a damp squid! How dare you!!!
![]() Squib, maybe. (Although I disagree. Thought it was great.) All squids are damp. Goes with the territory... Sorry! Going for levity. All been a bit tense around here recently. And only noticed cos I've done the same with the whole squid/squib thing. ![]() Though that unfortunate incident was still more entertaining than a chunk of series 9..
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Sorry dear. I just keep forgetting my resolution to stop arguing with...'others' on this forum.
It wasn't so much I thought better of it rather I remembered which forum I was posting on...the one where people are terribly thin skinned and rather than engaging in robust, tough and adult debate they prefer to 'tell teacher' when things get a little bit heated. And so the passive aggressive and disingenuous nature of discussions on here just gets worse because no one says what they really think and its all done under the false cloak of 'civility'. Shame though...i would love to have seen your post! . Quote:
Haha, it was a freudian slip, I have always had a dislike of Squids every since I lost to one in a juggling match prompting my girlfriend to leave me for him, she always did like people/creatures with good arms/tentacles...
Though that unfortunate incident was still more entertaining than a chunk of series 9.. ![]()
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I think I would like a move away from the staggered cliffhangers, where The Doctor is in some dire peril at the end of one episode then the next episode just moves somewhere completely different at the start of the next one.
I think the idea of restructuring cliffhangers during Moffat's time was a novel idea and in episodes like The Pandorica Opens and The Big Bang it worked exceptionally well. However, the idea was overdone during his time and I would like a return to the sort of cliffhangers where, regardless of where they are immediately resolved, just continue on from the end of the last episode.
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A woman after my own heart. I will now go off and daydream about Alpha Centauri.
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I hate the St. John Ambulance sign too and am I the only one who hates the polished TARDIS we have now I like it a bit more scruffy
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I hate the St. John Ambulance sign too and am I the only one who hates the polished TARDIS we have now I like it a bit more scruffy
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I don't hate it, but i definitely prefer the simpler TARDIS interior and scruffy exterior. It is an old TARDIS, it shouldn't look shiny new.
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BIB: Hmm. Except that, within the DW universe, it's not really a police box with a painted wooden exterior that can get damaged and show signs of wear and tear. Given Timelord technology, there no reason why it couldn't look pristine under virtually all circumstances. Or, indeed look like anything at all. You're relating it too much to conventional, contemporary, human technology.
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Fair enough. Each to their own regarding preference, but actually you implied that it should look old because it is old.
As for the interior it's as easily changed as we can change a computer's desktop theme, so "anything goes" with that too. |
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Major changes to established continuity. The companion being more doctor than the doctor. The dangers being the doctor's fault.
season long arcs i can cope with provided they have a proper resolution. Arcs that just go on and on making no sense can go |
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Yes. Also, the Doctor's death in season 7. Also, the Doctor's death in season 9.
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No more Series 9 SM arcs or Finales please, yawwwwnnnn.
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But the doom and gloom that came with every mention of Trenzalore in season 7 really weighed the show down.
And then again, in season 9, we had the Doctor preparing for his death and even sending his Confession Dial to Missy. To a lesser degree, RTD did something similar during David Tennant's final stories and I didn't much like that either. The Series 6 arc I had problems with, not because it involved the Doctor's death once again (credit where it's partially due, the plot here was that the Doctor was indeed dead once and for all rather than simply regenerating) but because it overshadowed everything else to the point Moffat's Day of the Moon distinctly divides us between "this little girl it's all about her"..."or we could just go off and have some adventures". Series 7 basically did the same story with different ingredients, all in pursuit of answering the regeneration limit question that I personally never much cared about. Series 9 I let off the hook, as the whole death thing was consigned more or less to the opening episode - which I didn't like. |
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No more Series 9 SM arcs or Finales please, yawwwwnnnn.
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A return to simple storytelling with the occasional twist will suit me fine.
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"What elements of the Moffat era DON’T you want to see during Chibnall’s reign?"
Missy. |
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[quote=Steven_P;81667796]Major changes to established continuity./QUOTE]
That would be the day... they've been doing this since the 60's at least. |
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A return to simple storytelling with the occasional twist will suit me fine.
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Major changes to established continuity.
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That would be the day... they've been doing this since the 60's at least.
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Eye roll... tired argument that says means nothing but seems a good soundbite... it's clear what is meant -.
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If you say so, but I think "established continuity" has always been a funny thing in Doctor Who on a "make it up as we go along" basis. Things such as the original idea supposedly being that the Doctor had built the TARDIS, Susan naming it herself rather than it being an official term, the Second Doctor stating that Time Lords could "live forever, barring accidents" which was literally swapped around afterwards and followed by countless other retcons of how regeneration works, and the entire rewrite of the Daleks' origins... it seems silly to attribute it solely to Moffat when plenty of others have done it before him. Terrance Dicks, Robert Holmes, Douglas Adams, Andrew Cartmell, Russell T Davies are all guilty and I'm sure Chris Chibnall himself will have his own ideas on how things work in the Whoniverse.
Your Second Doctor example, is an exaggeration on his behalf as we all do to prove a point, even if it wasn't an exaggeration a very minor change for what was the first we have seen of the Time Lords. So again the history and what they are isn't properly established. It is all good to change things which might be iffy slightly, nothing wrong with that in a show like Doctor Who, but SM definitely interfered with a lot of the shows continuity, more than any other writer. The biggest was the hybrid, and this goes back from the beginning, this is the Doctor's belief, what his character stood for all those years. That was the one thing i was most upset about. |
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But there is a massive difference, at that stage the show still hadn't properly established its universe and what the show was about, It was meant to be a more historic show rather than aliens, but that changed.
Your Second Doctor example, is an exaggeration on his behalf as we all do to prove a point, even if it wasn't an exaggeration a very minor change for what was the first we have seen of the Time Lords. So again the history and what they are isn't properly established. It is all good to change things which might be iffy slightly, nothing wrong with that in a show like Doctor Who, but SM definitely interfered with a lot of the shows continuity, more than any other writer. The biggest was the hybrid, and this goes back from the beginning, this is the Doctor's belief, what his character stood for all those years. That was the one thing i was most upset about. I think the biggest change Moffat did is add in the War Doctor, and that's a change I don't even mind myself, because it's John Hurt. |
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