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Is anyone else getting tired Georgia and Giovanni's attention seeking?
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collaw
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by Ochre:
“Labelling Sean an 'abuser' is a very serious accusation with no firm evidence to back it up.

Even if the report is true it is far too simplistic to decide he must be a serial abuser.

Many men and women of good character lose it when in an unhealthy relationship, sometimes momentarily in a healthy relationship.

We don't know whether he was depressed or had other things going on his life. It was clear his girlfriend was becoming close to her dance partner.


You watched the final, would you not say Georgia acted like she was with or wanted to be with Giovanni? It seems bizarre she would then return to a hotel room with Sean and continue to deny she wanted to be with Gio. Antagonistic maybe. Nothing excuses violence, but there is nothing to say he was violent with her the report is he broke the bottle over his own head.

All very messy, best put behind them and kept out of the tabloids.”



It is called a dance performance for a reason!!!
Chiltons Cane
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by star89:
“I'm glad we have someone on here that was a witness to all this. I'm assuming that's how you can state your opinion as fact?

Did i say my opinion was fact? No.


And I think abusers (whether mental or psychical) should be called out on it.



It was a peck, from the videos I've seen and the tour I went to (O2.)”


Did i say my opinion was fact? No.
star89
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by Ano:
“Clearly I was not stating anything bad about Georgia or Giovanni, I was merely stating everyone should leave the guy alone and stories about him should be non existent what is the point, and you know for sure his a mental and physical abuser do you? I'm intrigued. So now you suddenly believe what's written in the sun?”

Course I don't. I never actually said he was. I said abusers should be called out on it. Those people calling him out on it obviously believe he is. If they know that then they should, rightly, call him out on it.

The papers always have some truth in them. Just like I was saying the other day about the her moving to LA article. I do not believe everything they say, no. But I've thought this for a long time, going by things Georgia has said. So I have no problem believing this article. But again, I'm not going to sit here and judge nor slag Sean off because I don't know the facts.

Originally Posted by Ochre:
“Labelling Sean an 'abuser' is a very serious accusation with no firm evidence to back it up.

Even if the report is true it is far too simplistic to decide he must be a serial abuser.

Many men and women of good character lose it when in an unhealthy relationship, sometimes momentarily in a healthy relationship.

We don't know whether he was depressed or had other things going on his life. It was clear his girlfriend was becoming close to her dance partner.

You watched the final, would you not say Georgia acted like she was with or wanted to be with Giovanni? It seems bizarre she would then return to a hotel room with Sean and continue to deny she wanted to be with Gio. Antagonistic maybe. Nothing excuses violence, but there is nothing to say he was violent with her the report is he broke the bottle over his own head.

All very messy, best put behind them and kept out of the tabloids.”

I did watch the final and yes, I'm someone who thought Georgia and Sean's split was earlier as her and Gio seemed very close (but that's my opinion and unlike some others, I can admit my opinions are just that and could, quite easily, be wrong.) But like you say nothing excuses violence. And the report does suggest it to her as it says 'she was covered in bruises' and 'black and blue.'

I don't know the facts and you never know what's true and what's not. I know what I think but hey, that's just my opinion. I'm certainly not going to sit here and slag either party off.
Ellie1967
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by star89:
“And I think abusers (whether mental or psychical) should be called out on it.”

They should be 'called out' on it by going to the police, not in a trial by tabloid. If she had really been 'thrown around' and left black and blue I struggle to believe no one in the hotel would've called the police. It sounds like she would've needed a hospital visit, unless it's exaggerated of course.
star89
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by lolly-licker:
“I also went to the O2 and it didn't look like just a peck to me.
And we're actually on the same side here, I'm not having a go at her, I just don't like the way it's being used all of a sudden.”

I'm a bit confused, to why it's taken this long to come out, as well. Also think it would have been better coming from Georgia rather than 'a source'
Ellie1967
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by collaw:
“It is called a dance performance for a reason!!!”

I think people are also talking about her stroking his neck in interviews etc.. which was not part of the 'dance performance'.
Ochre
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by collaw:
“It is called a dance performance for a reason!!!”

Oh come on, I'm not just talking about their dances that night.

If Giovanni is the man she wants to be with, which she has been rather public in demonstrating is the case, then she needs to concentrate on her new relationship and career and leave Sean be now.
star89
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by Ellie1967:
“They should be 'called out' on it by going to the police, not in a trial by tabloid. If she had really been 'thrown around' and left black and blue I struggle to believe no one in the hotel would've called the police. It sounds like she would've needed a hospital visit, unless it's exaggerated of course.”

It said the hotel threatened to call the police, didn't it? I assume once they got Georgia out (of the room) the police were no longer needed, unless she herself wanted to call them and maybe she didn't? Maybe she did go to hospital.. Who knows? That's the problem with these things coming out this way and from 'a source.' If all this is true (and Georgia wanted it to come out) she should have told people herself.
Ellie1967
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by star89:
“It said the hotel threatened to call the police, didn't it? I assume once they got Georgia out (of the room) the police were no longer needed, unless she herself wanted to call them and maybe she didn't? Maybe she did go to hospital.. Who knows? That's the problem with these things coming out this way and from 'a source.' If all this is true (and Georgia wanted it to come out) she should have told people herself.”

I think if you work in a hotel and you hear screaming coming from one of your rooms, a girl says she is being 'held hostage' and you can hear her being thrown around, you would call the police first and ask questions later. I wouldn't have thought they'd want to risk something serious happening on their premises. I appreciate others think differently. Normally in these situations the police are called and leave without pressing charges if the person involved doesn't want to get into it. Anyway, as you say only the people involved know the full facts. I would've thought Sean will have to respond in some way, as this is the kind of accusation you have to address either to deny, apologise, explain or whatever.
aggs
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by star89:
“Course I don't. I never actually said he was. I said abusers should be called out on it. Those people calling him out on it obviously believe he is. If they know that then they should, rightly, call him out on it.

The papers always have some truth in them. Just like I was saying the other day about the her moving to LA article. I do not believe everything they say, no. But I've thought this for a long time, going by things Georgia has said. So I have no problem believing this article. But again, I'm not going to sit here and judge nor slag Sean off because I don't know the facts.



I did watch the final and yes, I'm someone who thought Georgia and Sean's split was earlier as her and Gio seemed very close (but that's my opinion and unlike some others, I can admit my opinions are just that and could, quite easily, be wrong.) But like you say nothing excuses violence. And the report does suggest it to her as it says 'she was covered in bruises' and 'black and blue.'

I don't know the facts and you never know what's true and what's not. I know what I think but hey, that's just my opinion. I'm certainly not going to sit here and slag either party off.”

To be fair, the celebs on Strictly are covered in bruises and black and blue almost from the minute they sign up - being a nice mottled purple colour is seen as a badge of honour and if you can have lost a couple of toe nails, so much the better! It Takes Two and their own social media sites love to document the bruises and injuries.

In the aftermath of the final, when there will have been rigorous training for 3 dances, featuring spectacular (copyright ITT) lifts and tricks - isn't it just possible that could account for some/all/a bit of the black and blueness?
Ano
28-02-2016
Well let's just all hope and pray yes even the people who despise him that Sean doesn't smash another bottle on his head due to this heartless article.
choucroute
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by Ano:
“I agree Georgia got what she wanted which was clearly Giovanni is there any point in dragging up Sean, I think they should let the guy be and deal with whatever he may be going through. ”

Agree, except would add that if there was any kind of abuse, it should be reported to the police, not leaked by a "source" to a tabloid weeks later.

Originally Posted by MaggieMcGee:
“I have quite gone off both Georgia and Giovanni.”

I find her whole narrative distasteful: beautiful, bombshelly, slightly immature young woman trapped in a relationship with a controlling, jealous baddie, freed by Katie Derham's husband (in the hotel) and by the fairy tale princess ending with her handsome Prince Giovanni.

Whether it's the truth or PR machinations, it's just so off-putting. Ladies, leave your boyfriend if he's jealous and controlling, report him if he abusive.
jivingmissdaisy
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by choucroute:
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Whether it's the truth or PR machinations, it's just so off-putting. Ladies, leave your boyfriend if he's jealous and controlling, report him if he abusive.”

And gents...if you really believe your girlfriend has cheated, leave her. It doesn't give a free pass to domestic abuse.

BTW this is a general point (who knows the truth behind the tabloids) but I'm finding the attempts to justify domestic abuse I have read on this thread very disturbing indeed. We are all ultimately responsible for our own behaviour; part of the reason that some women stay in abusive relationships too long is because they are made to feel that they 'provoke' or 'antagonise' the behaviour and it's their fault.
Chiltons Cane
28-02-2016
To be honest all 3 parties involved are quite unlikable.
Christopher D
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by jivingmissdaisy:
“And gents...if you really believe your girlfriend has cheated, leave her. It doesn't give a free pass to domestic abuse.

BTW this is a general point (who knows the truth behind the tabloids) but I'm finding the attempts to justify domestic abuse I have read on this thread very disturbing indeed. We are all ultimately responsible for our own behaviour; part of the reason that some women stay in abusive relationships too long is because they are made to feel that they 'provoke' or 'antagonise' the behaviour and it's their fault.”

Totally agree with this no empathy at all. No wonder people are afraid to come forward on this issue. Also men do suffer from this as well as women.
Christopher D
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by Chiltons Cane:
“To be honest all 3 parties involved are quite unlikable.”

Know any of them personally do you?
Ochre
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by jivingmissdaisy:
“And gents...if you really believe your girlfriend has cheated, leave her. It doesn't give a free pass to domestic abuse.

BTW this is a general point (who knows the truth behind the tabloids) but I'm finding the attempts to justify domestic abuse I have read on this thread very disturbing indeed. We are all ultimately responsible for our own behaviour; part of the reason that some women stay in abusive relationships too long is because they are made to feel that they 'provoke' or 'antagonise' the behaviour and it's their fault.”

I bet Sean now wishes he'd ended things months before.

Feeling you know there's something going on between your partner and someone else but them repeatedly denying it and turning it round on you making out you're paranoid, then finding out you'd been right all along could cause anyone to go crazy and momentarily lose it.

Georgia isn't doing herself or Giovanni any favours by causing her camp to drag this back in to the public domain two months on.

Domestic abuse is very serious and not something you report to a tabloid instead of the police. That action rather diminishes a serious allegation and does leave questions as to whether it's a PR exercise as much as anything. Nothing can be gained by making this public now.
jivingmissdaisy
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by Christopher D:
“Totally agree with this no empathy at all. No wonder people are afraid to come forward on this issue. Also men do suffer from this as well as women.”



Absolutely.
Christopher D
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by Ochre:
“I bet Sean now wishes he'd ended things months before.

Feeling you know there's something going on between your partner and someone else but them repeatedly denying it and turning it round on you making out your paranoid, then finding out you'd been right all along could cause anyone to go crazy and momentarily lose it.

Georgia isn't doing herself or Giovanni any favours by causing her camp to drag this back in to the public domain two months on.

Domestic abuse is very serious and not something you report to a tabloid instead of the police. That action rather diminishes a serious allegation and does leave questions as to whether it's a PR exercise as much as anything because nothing can be gained by making this public now.”

It sounds to me that there were witnesses to what happened so I don't think it would have stayed quiet even if all involved wanted it to. I say this has somebody who did not want it to leak out.
Tall Paul
28-02-2016
You get a lot more truth out of twitter and YouTube rather than press articles where georgia is concerned.

I think people must have Googled georgia at the start of the SCD tour and thought that she was playing games with guys hence why she lost votes on the tour. Think georgia is just very needy to be honest really.

As for her being held hostage that's a very serious thing and something the law might eventually get hold of. It just seems as though one of her exes is immature and basically a psycho.
jivingmissdaisy
28-02-2016
Quote:
“ Domestic abuse is very serious and not something you report to a tabloid instead of the police. That action rather diminishes a serious allegation and does leave questions as to whether it's a PR exercise as much as anything. Nothing can be gained by making this public now.”

Ok but you don't know that Georgia (or her camp) did leak this story to the press. There were other witnesses, if the story is to be believed, any one of whom could have took this story to the press. As you acknowledge in your last sentence, not much is to be gained, so why initiate it? Especially as Georgia seemed to be getting on with things and most of the controversy was ebbing away (not on this thread though, of all places...)
Tall Paul
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by jivingmissdaisy:
“Ok but you don't know that Georgia (or her camp) did leak this story to the press. There were other witnesses, if the story is to be believed, any one of whom could have took this story to the press. As you acknowledge in your last sentence, not much is to be gained, so why initiate it? Especially as Georgia seemed to be getting on with things and most of the controversy was ebbing away (not on this thread though, of all places...)”

I don't think georgia and one of her exes will speak now, the ship has sailed basically.
Ochre
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by Christopher D:
“It sounds to me that there were witnesses to what happened so I don't think it would have stayed quiet even if all involved wanted it to. I say this has somebody who did not want it to leak out.”

I could see that if something had leaked at the time but for it to appear now raises questions as to why. Yes there was a story about Sean being jealous but that wasn't followed up and further stories focused on GG's relationship and the tour. That's all over now and the next big Strictly story will be the new lineup. Sean appears to have continued to maintain his public silence.

If there is any truth in the report and just Sean and Georgia were in the room then some of the details can only have come from her and been leaked by someone close to her.
Christopher D
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by Ochre:
“I could see that if something had leaked at the time but for it to appear now raises questions as to why. Yes there was a story about Sean being jealous but that wasn't followed up and further stories focused on GG's relationship and the tour. That's all over now and the next big Strictly story will be the new lineup. Sean appears to have continued to maintain his public silence.

If there is any truth in the report and just Sean and Georgia were in the room then some of the details can only have come from her and been leaked by someone close to her.”

Well there's nothing in it for her it being leaked. She has a new life in London with a new boyfriend, I can't see any advantage for this coming out like this. Its not exactly positive publicity is it?

As for his silence, if true or even half true maybe shame for his actions, regret?
Ochre
28-02-2016
Originally Posted by jivingmissdaisy:
“Ok but you don't know that Georgia (or her camp) did leak this story to the press. There were other witnesses, if the story is to be believed, any one of whom could have took this story to the press. As you acknowledge in your last sentence, not much is to be gained, so why initiate it? Especially as Georgia seemed to be getting on with things and most of the controversy was ebbing away (not on this thread though, of all places...)”

Possibly to try and address the cheating rumours that have persisted? A misguided attempt if so, she needs to accept that people saw the overlap whatever else was going on.

I think this whole story will disappear almost immediately if Sean doesn't respond.
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