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LBC General Chit-Chat (Part 32)
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gurney-slade
17-06-2016
The LBC presenter Shelagh Fogarty faced a backlash after her on-air comments about the death of Labour MP Jo Cox and the Scottish independence referendum were misunderstood.

http://radiotoday.co.uk/2016/06/shel...r-after-abuse/
roddydogs
17-06-2016
JOB pushing the Polly Toynbee line, he said he was not going to mention any names, but then used the phrase "To hell in a handcart" so we know he meant Richard Littlejohn, he also mentioned the DM front page (Thursdays) as if that contributed to the murder.
BanglaRoad
17-06-2016
Interesting call from Marcus from Nottingham.
Britain First go on a training camp in using knives. Not a peep from MSM and he highlighted a post from some far right group in Nottingham saying this death was a result of people having enough and being pushed to this sort of thing.
Hopefully Marcus sends the screen shot of what he saw to the cops.
Harry_Stevens
17-06-2016
Originally Posted by Landis:
“I think JOB is being very restrained.
And so am I.”

Well I suggest you go both go to the Police and enlighten them with the evidence you both seem to hold on why she was murdered.
Lateralthinking
17-06-2016
I'm pretty much a lifelong centrist politically and I have a politics degree but I can understand how difficult it is to process all the stuff that we are bombarded with every day so as to convey something genuinely reasonable. It can be very hard work and sometimes I have to divert into comedy, music, football, etc . A lot of people are not able to do that at all and I think we expect too much of them in this climate. We had less news and drama in the 1970s.

I'm not ancient.

I'm a young 53.
wns_195
17-06-2016
I don't agree with speculation. Radio discussions should focus on what is known about an incident rather than what isn't known.

People jump to conclusions with much more enthusiasm and speed when the speculation supports the views they held prior to the incident.

For James O'Brien, this murder gives him an opportunity to attack those politicians and commentators he doesn't like. He is far from it in London. Locally people are shocked and devastated. It isn't about Britain First, the far-right, Nigel Farage, Katy Hopkins, Muslims, immigration etc. It is about our local politician Jo Cox.
BanglaRoad
17-06-2016
Originally Posted by Harry_Stevens:
“Well I suggest you go both go to the Police and enlighten them with the evidence you both seem to hold on why she was murdered.”

Very little is proven but what is being discussed is what is plausible.
Now I happen to believe that the rhetoric of hate and fear may have something to do with this death.
If you think it is entirely implausible then why not explain why?
soma_
17-06-2016
JoB's efforts today have little meaning whilst he works for a station (presenters) that has constantly promoted the vile rhetoric of UKIP, of the tories and affiliated media demonising and othering immigrants, muslims, welfare recipients. A station that has more than happily employed the toxicity of the likes of katie hopkins.
soma_
17-06-2016
Originally Posted by BanglaRoad:
“Very little is proven but what is being discussed is what is plausible.
Now I happen to believe that the rhetoric of hate and fear may have something to do with this death.
If you think it is entirely implausible then why not explain why?”

reports that tommy mair bought weapons manuals from far right organizations in the usa. increasingly looking that he was far right extremist egged on by present toxic culture from the right wing little englanders.
soma_
17-06-2016
Originally Posted by wns_195:
“I don't agree with speculation. Radio discussions should focus on what is known about an incident rather than what isn't known.

People jump to conclusions with much more enthusiasm and speed when the speculation supports the views they held prior to the incident.

For James O'Brien, this murder gives him an opportunity to attack those politicians and commentators he doesn't like. He is far from it in London. Locally people are shocked and devastated. It isn't about Britain First, the far-right, Nigel Farage, Katy Hopkins, Muslims, immigration etc. It is about our local politician Jo Cox.”

unfortunately it is precisely about this 'othering' of muslims, immigrants and the toxicity of populist far right rhetoric be it from government , ukip or the likes of hopkins
karen trace
17-06-2016
Originally Posted by BanglaRoad:
“So for you the messenger is more important than the message?”

Sadly I would rather hear the same sentiments from anyone but JOB
Harry_Stevens
17-06-2016
Originally Posted by BanglaRoad:
“Very little is proven but what is being discussed is what is plausible.
Now I happen to believe that the rhetoric of hate and fear may have something to do with this death.
If you think it is entirely implausible then why not explain why?”

It's being presented as fact......... Perhaps he had serous mental heath issues but that doesn't fit JOB political agenda I mean a few days ago white male homophobic where responsible for 49 gay deaths in a night club then it was revealed the murderer was gay.........

Judge and jury sums it up yet you know nothing about what the causes where.
BanglaRoad
17-06-2016
Originally Posted by Harry_Stevens:
“It's being presented as fact......... Perhaps he had serous mental heath issues but that doesn't fit JOB political agenda I mean a few days ago white male homophobic where responsible for 49 gay deaths in a night club then it was revealed the murderer was gay.........

Judge and jury sums it up yet you know nothing about what the causes where.”

No. It is not being presented as fact however much you think it is.
None of us know the full circumstances but IMO it is plausible that the killer could have been pushed by the rhetoric.
Harry_Stevens
17-06-2016
Originally Posted by BanglaRoad:
“No. It is not being presented as fact however much you think it is.
None of us know the full circumstances but IMO it is plausible that the killer could have been pushed by the rhetoric.”

Could have, could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,......................Thank god the law doesn't allow could have
Landis
17-06-2016
Originally Posted by wns_195:
“For James O'Brien, this murder gives him an opportunity”

If JOB was taking a new position this morning that might indeed be seen as opportunism.
He is not taking a new position.
His position has been rock solid for as long as he has been broadcasting.

And from that starting point....."Where else could this go?" is a very restrained POV to be taking. In the circumstances.
BanglaRoad
17-06-2016
Originally Posted by Harry_Stevens:
“Could have, could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,could have,......................Thank god the law doesn't allow could have”

This is not a law court. JOB is hosting a discussion about whether the hate rhetoric is a plausible contributory factor in the killing of Jo Cox. So far you haven't given any reason why you think this idea is implausible.
redvers36
17-06-2016
Originally Posted by goballoon:
“How the hell is JOB privy to the knowledge that the killing of Jo Cox was politically motivated ie "the toxic landscape of the last few years" Is he using his rant to discredit his usual target. There have been no charges yet and certainly no trial.”

Has James O'Brien conducted his own investigation into the death of Jo Cox? And if so why hasn't he presented his evidence to the police?
Harry_Stevens
17-06-2016
Originally Posted by BanglaRoad:
“This is not a law court. JOB is hosting a discussion about whether the hate rhetoric is a plausible contributory factor in the killing of Jo Cox. So far you haven't given any reason why you think this idea is implausible.”

So you agree it's all made up in JOBs mind and worthy of a three hour discussion and all based on what.

Quote:
“why you think this idea is implausible”

I don't but using a theory to attack people who have different political views for three hours is hardly professional broadcasting and considering the poor woman has been dead less than 24 hours is all rather distasteful.

.
BanglaRoad
17-06-2016
Originally Posted by redvers36:
“Has James O'Brien conducted his own investigation into the death of Jo Cox? And if so why hasn't he presented his evidence to the police?”

AFAIK JOB has not conducted an investigation. AFAIK Nick Ferrari has not conducted an investigation either. Both work for lbc and both have discussed possible contributory factors for this horrific death.
Landis
17-06-2016
Originally Posted by Harry_Stevens:
“So you agree it's all made up in JOBs mind and worthy of a three hour discussion and all based on what.”

It is based on what journalists have discovered so far. Journalists are looking at the Background, Interests, Politics, Unusual Purchases, Memberships of the arrested man. And so are the Police.
It is not clear what your response is to what journalists have discovered so far.
BanglaRoad
17-06-2016
Originally Posted by Harry_Stevens:
“So you agree it's all made up in JOBs mind and worthy of a three hour discussion and all based on what.


I don't but using a theory to attack people who have different political views for three hours is hardly professional broadcasting and considering the poor woman has been dead less than 24 hours is all rather distasteful.

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Not getting your point Harry.
The theory is what it is, a theory. Now you either agree with it or you don't.
balthasar
17-06-2016
Originally Posted by wns_195:
“I don't agree with speculation. Radio discussions should focus on what is known about an incident rather than what isn't known.

People jump to conclusions with much more enthusiasm and speed when the speculation supports the views they held prior to the incident.

For James O'Brien, this murder gives him an opportunity to attack those politicians and commentators he doesn't like. He is far from it in London. Locally people are shocked and devastated. It isn't about Britain First, the far-right, Nigel Farage, Katy Hopkins, Muslims, immigration etc. It is about our local politician Jo Cox.”

James did that during the Charlie Hebdo attack , never mentioned again after a few facts came out
snowy ghost
17-06-2016
JOB is doing a good job this morning
Crawley Cutie
17-06-2016
So, is he saying that the views of Brexiters, concerning migration, might have fuelled the murderer

IMO, this discussion should have been left for another day. James trying to be clever again

In this moment, it should be all about Jo Cox, the woman, the wife & mother.
Landis
17-06-2016
I am getting the distinct impression that several forum members have not enjoyed the last 3 hours.

Not to worry.

Shelagh is on next.
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