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LBC General Chit-Chat (Part 32)
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The Countess
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by The Countess:
“That's upsetting to be sure. But there are equally uncomfortable stats regarding care of the elderly, people waiting in A&E on trolleys etc. Life is oftentimes unkind.”

Actually, while I'm on the subject, I feel the need to elaborate. A couple of weeks ago I was walking in central London and a bloke (who I assume was a druggie, but I won't be judgey pants) punched me in the face. Randomly. I lost my two front teeth, in front of my 10 year old son. Is that a hate crime? I know for a fact that the guy who punched me out hated me, for some reason. I'm white. Middle class. All crime is hate crime. I can't bear people who label crimes. My mum recently got mugged by a bloke of a specific origin. Was that a hate crime? People need to stop banging their drums.
BanglaRoad
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by The Countess:
“That's upsetting to be sure. But there are equally uncomfortable stats regarding care of the elderly, people waiting in A&E on trolleys etc. Life is oftentimes unkind.”

Just repeating a headline from the 11am LBC news bulletin.
BanglaRoad
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by The Countess:
“Actually, while I'm on the subject, I feel the need to elaborate. A couple of weeks ago I was walking in central London and a bloke (who I assume was a druggie, but I won't be judgey pants) punched me in the face. Randomly. I lost my two front teeth, in front of my 10 year old son. Is that a hate crime? I know for a fact that the guy who punched me out hated me, for some reason. I'm white. Middle class. All crime is hate crime. I can't bear people who label crimes. My mum recently got mugged by a bloke of a specific origin. Was that a hate crime? People need to stop banging their drums.”

The police categorise crime. It is they who compile crimes and put them in various groups.
That attack on you sounds dreadful. Have the cops arrested anyone? Did anyone offer you assistance?
Lone Drinker
13-10-2016
The police certainly do categorise crime. Here's how. (No apologies for quoting in full an article from the Spectator which nails the myths on 'hate' crimes)


After voting for Brexit earlier this year did you come over all homophobic? I mean after you did all the obvious stuff like beat up a few ethnic minorities and burn a Torah. A piece in the Guardian at the weekend explains that ‘Homophobic attacks in UK rose 147 per cent in three months after Brexit vote.’ It claims that this shows how ‘toxicity fostered by the EU referendum debate spread beyond race and religion, new figures suggest’. None of which makes any sense. Who would decide, after voting Brexit, to attack the gays? I suppose it is possible that some people thought Ian McKellen spoke for all of us (as he himself appeared to think) when he said before the vote that ‘Brexit makes no sense if you’re gay’ and that all gays must therefore vote Remain. But it seems a push.

More likely is that these figures are another part of that growth industry of pressure groups now intent on proving that Britain is the world’s most vile and intolerant country. Not content with claiming that we are a nation of racists and ‘Islamophobes’ they have also decided that we are homophobes, probably misogynists and doubtless kick people with guide dogs too.

What we are, in fact, witnessing is a self-reinforcing cartel. Consider the following. The figures on which the Guardian have based their ‘story’ are from an LGBT anti-violence charity called ‘Galop’. According to them, hate crimes against lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people increased 147 per cent during July, August and September compared to the same period last year. Rather than everyone being so high from the referendum that they went around beating up gays, what is most likely is that the official encouragement to report hate-crimes means that more and more hate-crimes are being reported. The numbers go up year-on-year because the reporting goes up. Which is not the same things as the attacks going up. Indeed it might be something quite else. Because while ordinarily the police or some other authority would try to persuade the media and charities to stick to the facts, with the hate-crime business everyone has different compulsions for being in on the fact-allergic action. Not least the police.


Allow me to give an example. A while ago an acquaintance of mine was on a late night train when some strangers tried to pick a fight with him. He was smartly dressed and this appeared to be the root of the ‘problem’. In the end the police were called and detained the attackers. They also discovered that the victim was gay. At which point the officers apparently spent a considerable amount of time trying to pressure the victim to say that the incident had been motivated by ‘homophobia’. He didn’t think it had been, not least because nothing about being gay had come up. He insisted on this and succeeded in stopping the hate-crime charges being logged, although it apparently required a lot of persistence to stop the police from doing so. For them, you see, that would have made it a better night’s work. Not just a mundane act of violence on a train, but a hate-crime. I would bet that the police are at this a fair amount. They have been told by their superiors to pursue this amorphous type of crime and so everybody of a certain sexual orientation, skin colour or religion will be encouraged to view and record things in such a manner. They will be aided by the fact that a lot of victims will understandably be more than happy to throw the book at anyone who has attacked them or been unpleasant in any way to them. Not everyone will hold out for the truth if the police themselves don’t seem that bothered about it.

Of course this is the beast that will eat itself. Consider one amusing snapshot. The ‘Islamophobic’ hate-crime recorders at Tell MAMA have previously been caught misleading the public with allegations of an alleged spike in ‘hate-crimes’ after the murder of Drummer Lee Rigby in 2013. You may remember that this effort managed to distract public attention from the brutal slaughter of a soldier in broad daylight onto mean things said online about Islam. The group’s founder, Fiyaz Mughal, subsequently tried unsuccessfully to sue that renowned knuckle-dragger Charles Moore. Anyhow, last week in the website formerly known as the Independent, we see that this hate-crime industry is becoming magnificently self-generating. Soon they won’t need the public at all.

It appears that Tell MAMA tried to organise an event at this year’s Conservative party conference. But their staff only applied for passes to the conference the day before their event. Anybody who has ever been to a party conference knows that you often have to apply for a pass many weeks in advance. There are, after all, well-known security concerns around these awful events. Anyhow, Mr Mughal and his colleagues had demonstrated as much concern with detail about their conference passes as they have done with the rest of their work. And so, sans passes, they turned up to the secure zone in Birmingham and were not let in.

When the security guards inexplicably stood near to Mr Mughal and his colleagues, the Tell MAMA crew complained that the security staff were being ‘intimidating’. Then, while the security guards were escorting the pass-less ones away, one of the group asked the security staff why they were following them. This Tell MAMA-ist ended up rather rudely accusing the security guards of picking on him, finally demanding ‘Is it because I’m gay?’

Personally, I would doubt it. In my experience there is rarely any shortage of male homosexuals inside the secure zone of the Conservative party conference. But if you’re in the hate-crime business who cares? Facts are for other people. Having been turned away from their Islamophobia event the Islamophobia-peddlers at least managed to squeeze a homophobia incident out of it and the corpse of the Independent wrote it up, thus ensuring it wasn’t an entirely wasted journey. Who knows, if Mughal and co had hung around a bit longer perhaps they might have squeezed a ‘Transphobic’ incident out of it while they were at it?

While such people try to turn the whole of life into one big hate-crime, the rest of us will just have to continue to try to insist on the facts. A task that would be made much easier if the police were on the same side as the general public once again.
gurney-slade
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by Lone Drinker:
“The police certainly do categorise crime. Here's how. (No apologies for quoting in full an article from the Spectator which nails the myths on 'hate' crimes)

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Thanks for that. Says it all and explains a lot.
BanglaRoad
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by gurney-slade:
“Thanks for that. Says it all and explains a lot.”

No it doesn't say it all.
It tells of one incident and to drag that out as some sort of proof that hate crime isn't real and isn't on the increase is frankly absurd and shows a total and willful understanding to acknowledge what is happening.
Lone Drinker
13-10-2016
For my sins I listened to 2 hours of Mr O'Brien this morning. 2 hours of bedwetting hysteria, culminating in a conversation with Lily Alan that the word obsequious was invented for.

I shan't be bothering again, good luck to those who believe him, they're beyond salvation.
karen trace
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by Lone Drinker:
“For my sins I listened to 2 hours of Mr O'Brien this morning. 2 hours of bedwetting hysteria, culminating in a conversation with Lily Alan that the word obsequious was invented for.

I shan't be bothering again, good luck to those who believe him, they're beyond salvation.”

Surely he is guilty of spouting hatred and fear - the very crime he accuses others of doing, and something he despises.
Mou Mou Land
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by Lone Drinker:
“For my sins I listened to 2 hours of Mr O'Brien this morning. 2 hours of bedwetting hysteria, culminating in a conversation with Lily Alan that the word obsequious was invented for.

I shan't be bothering again, good luck to those who believe him, they're beyond salvation.”

A conversation about refugees with a woman who is famous for singing about lying in wet patches and giving head - impeccable references as a spokesman.

Lucky there was a camera there as she apologised and broke down.
BanglaRoad
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by karen trace:
“Surely he is guilty of spouting hatred and fear - the very crime he accuses others of doing, and something he despises.”

What hatred was he spouting today?
As for spreading fear then that can be leveled at a multitude of targets.
Charles_Traynor
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by karen trace:
“Surely he is guilty of spouting hatred and fear - the very crime he accuses others of doing, and something he despises.”

From the call with Lily Allen it looks to me that O'Brien doesn't really believe what he says but is setting himself up as a mirror image of Katie Hopkins (who isn't as rude to her callers). He seems to think that only his opinion matters or that of the people who agree with him. It's short-sighted and childish. He also appears desperate to be noticed and the "viral" posts on social media are just obvious clickbait for people outraged by absolutely everything.

One of the recent clickbait clips compared Amber Rudd and the Conservatives to the Nazi's. Can any regular listeners to O'Brien remember if he was so outraged and made the same rather extreme quotes when Miliband made a similar announcement about companies listing foreign employees in 2012?

It's a black and white world for the shock jock. They invariably run out of steam or shoot themselves in the foot.

I usually listen to Julia Hartley-Brewer and although she may not create the headlines of her LBC counterpart, the show has a lot more entertainment value, is faster moving with more voices and she isn't so obviously seeking to 'brainwash' listeners. There is more give and take - C
ronburgundy
13-10-2016
O'Brien has an even more closed mind than the people who he clearly hates. Anyone with a different viewpoint is viewed as either thick and or racist.
Supersoul
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by Mou Mou Land:
“A conversation about refugees with a woman who is famous for singing about lying in wet patches and giving head - impeccable references as a spokesman.

Lucky there was a camera there as she apologised and broke down.”

Well Jude Law visited, so I suspect she had to show she was more affected than him. It's the liberal celebrity version of oneupmanship -"I'm so much more upset than you were". Luckily JOB can maintain his dignified solemnity when doing his show.
redvers36
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by Charles_Traynor:
“From the call with Lily Allen it looks to me that O'Brien doesn't really believe what he says but is setting himself up as a mirror image of Katie Hopkins (who isn't as rude to her callers). He seems to think that only his opinion matters or that of the people who agree with him. It's short-sighted and childish. He also appears desperate to be noticed and the "viral" posts on social media are just obvious clickbait for people outraged by absolutely everything.

One of the recent clickbait clips compared Amber Rudd and the Conservatives to the Nazi's. Can any regular listeners to O'Brien remember if he was so outraged and made the same rather extreme quotes when Miliband made a similar announcement about companies listing foreign employees in 2012?

It's a black and white world for the shock jock. They invariably run out of steam or shoot themselves in the foot.

I usually listen to Julia Hartley-Brewer and although she may not create the headlines of her LBC counterpart, the show has a lot more entertainment value, is faster moving with more voices and she isn't so obviously seeking to 'brainwash' listeners. There is more give and take - C”

I agree although James O'Brien is too much of an ex-public schoolboy to be a real shock jock and ends up in some sort of half way house. That was particularly exposed when the chavs of daytime ITV engaged with him on the ill-fated O'Brien.
The_Moth
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by Carolyn_Brown:
“Steve Allen is still going on about Will Young today and having a rant about having to pack his own groceries in Marks and Spencers. I wish I'd been behind him in the queue! Didn't realise the cashier packs for you, I'm going to buy one today and see if its true!”

Didn't catch much of Fanny's show today but did hear him having another go at Will Young and Rod stewart and Penny Lancaster.

Earlier, while I was barely awake I heard him predictably and perhaps even understandably coating Lily Allen but then, unless I was dreaming, he used this as an excuse to launch into an outrageous diatribe about the occupants of "the jungle" at Calais that was at least the equal of Trump's "drugs, criminals and rapists" speech regarding Mexicans.
Mou Mou Land
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by The_Moth:
“Didn't catch much of Fanny's show today but did hear him having another go at Will Young and Rod stewart and Penny Lancaster.”

The 'Stewart's' did look like an explosion in a tartan and fake fur factory though, and the kids look like they should have been in Spandau Ballet.

The Highgate lad is sticking to his roots though - kudos to him.
Nosedive
13-10-2016
Jon Gaunt was having a big moan about James O'Brien today on his show. He was saying what an out of touch, remoaning media luvvie, bully boy O'Brien is. Apparently having a go at some brexiter electrician that phoned in to O'Brien yesterday and couldn't quote off pat the precise EU rule numbers that he was opposing. Smug git was another term used.
Nosedive
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“Another couple of weeks - 27 October.”

Thanks Martin. Somehow though I don't think they will be bearing any surprises.
BanglaRoad
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by Nosedive:
“Jon Gaunt was having a big moan about James O'Brien today on his show. He was saying what an out of touch, remoaning media luvvie, bully boy O'Brien is. Apparently having a go at some brexiter electrician that phoned in to O'Brien yesterday and couldn't quote off pat the precise EU rule numbers that he was opposing. Smug git was another term used.”

If you had heard the call you would know that it was a lot more than EU rule numbers he couldn't answer.
BTW there was no mention of eu rule or register numbers during the call but you can't expect Jon Gaunt to tell you that.
Cayce
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by Lone Drinker:
“For my sins I listened to 2 hours of Mr O'Brien this morning. 2 hours of bedwetting hysteria, culminating in a conversation with Lily Alan that the word obsequious was invented for.

I shan't be bothering again, good luck to those who believe him, they're beyond salvation.”

Poor old JO'B he does like to be profuse whilst hiding behind a 'Mic - a safe place. Put him on daytime tv confronted by chavs, he literally buckled under the pressure.
Can't say I've ever been overly attracted to hot-air balloons, the physical form is known to run out of gas - not good . How that configures, metaphorically speaking, with this particular radio presenter's gaseous ego may not bear scrutiny. Perfectly ghastly, I venture. I ask you, where is the 'substance' when you need it?
Styker
13-10-2016
I think LBC needs a considerable clear out of presenters and shows.

First of all I would get rid of Clive Bull who interrupts and belittles/mocks most callers that he disagrees with.

I would definitely get rid of Ian Collins who I find to be a wind up most nights, maybe he gets like that because he himself gets himself sop wound up by JOB?

I think Iain Dale needs to go too as he imo is also getting into belittling mode with callers he disagrees with and he often cuts off the callers he disagrees with and rudely moves onto the next caller while the callers are still speaking.

That sex and relationship show I find to be a right waste of time, Maajid Nawaz just seems to be on a Let me turn on my own religion ticket to make a living imo and I don't like his show, Matt Frie imo isn't suited for phone in radio either. Sheila Fogerty while a nice lady, I think would have been better off staying at the Beeb.
MartinRosen
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by Styker:
“I think LBC needs a considerable clear out of presenters and shows.”

Are those that you haven't mentioned okay to stay then ?
Styker
13-10-2016
Originally Posted by MartinRosen:
“Are those that you haven't mentioned okay to stay then ? ”

I like Ian Payne, used to like listening to him when he was on BBC 5 Live in the late 90's too, he listens to his callers rather than interrupt them and hog the show.

JOB, I think probably needs to stay as some kind of counter weight to the likes of Ferrari though I wouldn't mind seeing the back of Ferrari too. Tom Swarbrick wasn't too bad, what's happened to him? Has Cristo left? Good if he has.

I've been listening a lot less to LBC over the last few weeks and intend to carry on doing so too, whenever I do dip in, I'm not impressed with how the presenters treat a lot of their callers and these presenters need to be reminded that without their callers, they would be out of a job!

I've noticed a lot of regular callers to LBC don't call in that regular anymore and its probably because of the way they get treated with interruptions and mockingness. If LBC's idea is to attract first time callers only, I doubt they will have enough to go round, even more so if they treat them badly.
BanglaRoad
13-10-2016
Andrew Neil butchering Hopkins on tv.
G.F.M.
14-10-2016
Originally Posted by Nosedive:
“Jon Gaunt was having a big moan about James O'Brien today on his show. He was saying what an out of touch, remoaning media luvvie, bully boy O'Brien is. Apparently having a go at some brexiter electrician that phoned in to O'Brien yesterday and couldn't quote off pat the precise EU rule numbers that he was opposing. Smug git was another term used.”

Jon Gaunt accusing another presenter of being a bully.... That takes the biscuit. Remind me.. Who is Jon Gaunt?
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