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LBC General Chit-Chat (Part 32)
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Landis
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by MrRayDO:
“with so much white man bashing by him , all hell would have been let lose if he said black man and not white , WHY is this ok .”

He isn't bashing white men.
48% of white men in the UK didn't vote for these unfortunate consequences.
He is bashing Jew Hating White Supremacists.
BanglaRoad
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by gurney-slade:
“That's rude. ”

Nah that was funny!
Guess some folk don't want responses to their posts that they don't like.
BanglaRoad
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by MrRayDO:
“with so much white man bashing by him , all hell would have been let lose if he said black man and not white , WHY is this ok .”

What white man bashing?
Only people getting bashed were white supremasist hate preachers.
Have you got an example of what you claim?
davidb201
22-11-2016
If JOB really wants to understand things like this ‘poor’ issue that he’s currently discussing, he should drop his guiding belief that the opinions of which he disapproves have been ‘sold’ to the hapless non-Libs of this world. The purveyors of these opinions, all lies apparently, include the ‘right wing media’ – an entity I can see no sign of here in contemporary England – if anything, virtually all journalists/broadcasters are depressingly liberal to the core.

People like me base our opinions on own experiences, not on what we read in papers. For instance, after I retired from my main career, I worked on an eighteen months contract at my local Job Centre. From experience, not prejudice, I can tell you that more than 50% of the people I interviewed were themselves wholly responsible for their unemployment. Many of them were deliberately playing the system, were very ready to lie and appeared to have no respect for the society that supports them.

The Lib/Left love to go on about poverty – e.g. Labour with that ridiculous ‘cost of living crisis’ mantra for the last GE campaign – but in England today there is really no such thing in absolute terms.
Supersoul
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by Landis:
“I seem to have missed the news story when Momentum murdered 6 Million Jews or when Jeremy Corbyn murdered a serving Member of Parliament.

You ought to listen. It is an Education. ”

It's not an education though is it? It's a patronising lecture lapped up by the faithful. That is why I do not listen (except occasionally) and why I do not know who he was referring to.
karen trace
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by gurney-slade:
“That's rude. ”

Guilty as charged - momentarily lost control, all JOB's fault IMO!
Crawley Cutie
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by Hilary22cat:
“I do wish NF would stop banging on about charging 'foreigners' for NHS treatment. It's so boring and pointless.
He has been told so many times that the admin would cost more than the revenue.
NHS staff cannot acess Gov databases to check NI etc numbers for data protection
Last time he just kept saying 'tap, tap, tap on the computer and its done'. To access what?”


Spain manages it - so why not the UK

The onus is on the visiting 'foreign' patient to provide the required ID which is a passport/ EHIC. Else, go to a private hospital where they should be covered under their personal medical holiday insurance.

To gain access to state medical services, British foreigners need to be resident & receiving a state pension. The Uk pays for their treatment under a reciprocal agreement.

OR.... be working in Spain and paying their contributions.

Anyone else, from abroad, who lives in the country needs to have private insurance.

All those who are entitled to free medical care are provided with a medical card which needs to be produced, prior to treatment.

No freebies here. In Spain. Unless you put in......you don't get out !!

Happy Tuesday to you All x
Venetian
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by karen trace:
“Guilty as charged - momentarily lost control, all JOB's fault IMO!”

If O'Brien truly inspires you to make such a post is not your morning listening best extended elsewhere? Robert Elms on BBC London is a nice gentle listen, and there is Julia Hartley Brewer on TalkRadio, she's not my cup of tea but she's not boring and she's not rude.
Mou Mou Land
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by Venetian:
“If O'Brien truly inspires you to make such a post is not your morning listening best extended elsewhere? Robert Elms on BBC London is a nice gentle listen, and there is Julia Hartley Brewer on TalkRadio, she's not my cup of tea but she's not boring and she's not rude.”

I migrated to Julia about a month ago and it is an absolute delight to listen to. Four of five topics an hour, and as you say, she is not rude. Robust maybe, but not rude.
plankwalker
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by Crawley Cutie:
“Spain manages it - so why not the UK

The onus is on the visiting 'foreign' patient to provide the required ID which is a passport/ EHIC. Else, go to a private hospital where they should be covered under their personal medical holiday insurance.

To gain access to state medical services, British foreigners need to be resident & receiving a state pension. The Uk pays for their treatment under a reciprocal agreement.

OR.... be working in Spain and paying their contributions.

Anyone else, from abroad, who lives in the country needs to have private insurance.

All those who are entitled to free medical care are provided with a medical card which needs to be produced, prior to treatment.

No freebies here. In Spain. Unless you put in......you don't get out !!

Happy Tuesday to you All x”

That's it really, if Spain can make it work why not the UK. What is it that is so "un”special about us? Why do we act all superior? What's all this guilt tripping about and where are these people coming from that want us to feel guilty for wanting the NHS only for those entitled to it on a free basis?
Mou Mou Land
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by plankwalker:
“That's it really, if Spain can make it work why not the UK. What is it that is so "un”special about us? Why do we act all superior? What's all this guilt tripping about and where are these people coming from that want us to feel guilty for wanting the NHS only for those entitled to it on a free basis?”

My parents live in Spain and they receive fabulous care in Granada, but they still have to pay for certain services - it is quite expensive if you need an interpreter for instance.
BanglaRoad
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by Mou Mou Land:
“I migrated to Julia about a month ago and it is an absolute delight to listen to. Four of five topics an hour, and as you say, she is not rude. Robust maybe, but not rude.”

Regarding the payment for nhs treatment earlier, what's your view on administration on such a scheme?
You've a lot of experience in this sort of area I believe.
Belive it or not I think that treatment should be paid for by those not entitled to it and although I have zero experience in this area just how costly and difficult would it be to have a workable system?
plankwalker
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by Mou Mou Land:
“I migrated to Julia about a month ago and it is an absolute delight to listen to. Four of five topics an hour, and as you say, she is not rude. Robust maybe, but not rude.”

From 10am I move elsewhere have listen to JHB and enjoyed. Only issue I need to be on the internet or in bed as my only DAB radio is the Alarm Clock.

If Talk Radio was on FM my old cars radio could pick up and I think they could grow their audience base significantly.
Capablanca
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by karen trace:
“I don't understand JOB's rationale that if you want him to shut up or be taken off air then you are admitting you agree with him. I found his opening 20 minute rant insufferable and wanted him to shut up because my ears were bleeding”

I was driving to work when I heard his preamble at the end of NF's show - Nazis, Trump.... I thought, nah.... I'll give it a miss.
Charlie Drake
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by Crawley Cutie:
“Spain manages it - so why not the UK

The onus is on the visiting 'foreign' patient to provide the required ID which is a passport/ EHIC. Else, go to a private hospital where they should be covered under their personal medical holiday insurance.

To gain access to state medical services, British foreigners need to be resident & receiving a state pension. The Uk pays for their treatment under a reciprocal agreement.

OR.... be working in Spain and paying their contributions.

Anyone else, from abroad, who lives in the country needs to have private insurance.

All those who are entitled to free medical care are provided with a medical card which needs to be produced, prior to treatment.

No freebies here. In Spain. Unless you put in......you don't get out !!

Happy Tuesday to you All x”

One of the tenets of the EU is (and has been) that wherever in the EU you 'put in' is equivalent to any other EU country. In other words, having paid NI contributions in the UK, that would be equivalent to having paid the equivalent in Spain (in your case). You should therefore receive the equivalent (health etc.) benefits, along with free movement, the right to work etc. The reason this (and other agreements) have not necessarily worked out as planned is a topic for another discussion. The situation has been, however, far better since our joining the EU (or EEC as it was) than it was before. I speak from much personal experience both of the 'before' and the 'after', having lived and worked in several EU countries. Try applying to live and work in non-EU countries. It's a nightmare.
Venetian
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by Capablanca:
“I was driving to work when I heard his preamble at the end of NF's show - Nazis, Trump.... I thought, nah.... I'll give it a miss.”

Of course, how sensible ..

[Unsually] this morning I put the TV on, the first image that flashed across the screen was that of Piers Morgan (had no idea he is on TV airways these days). Broke the world record for changing to another station, wasn't difficult ..
Mou Mou Land
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by BanglaRoad:
“Regarding the payment for nhs treatment earlier, what's your view on administration on such a scheme?
You've a lot of experience in this sort of area I believe.
Belive it or not I think that treatment should be paid for by those not entitled to it and although I have zero experience in this area just how costly and difficult would it be to have a workable system?”

I find it rather strange that the main opponents to this are my own ex profession and the medical profession - I think there is some kind of intellectual snobbery at work as far as the NHS goes because there seems to be this 'we are above all this' syndrome in action. It does not seem to extend to NHS nurses and doctors working in the private sector on their days off mind you.

I do not see the problem with charging at all and cannot see the administration being that difficult - we all have an NHS number and to get people to carry it around with them would not be that difficult. I have had several operations recently in the private sector and it takes about two minutes on the phone to BUPA to sort out details and get permission to proceed. If they can do it, then the NHS should be able to [mind you, after years of working in it, most senior managers in the NHS have trouble sitting the right way round on a toilet].

When I used to work in Harley Street Clinic in the 80's, the clientele was virtually 100% Arabic. Discharged patients were not allowed to leave until the relative embassy had given a promise that treatment would be paid for if the patient/insurance defaulted. When someone went home we had to call reception to inform them - they then sent up a security guard to 'escort' them to the door until the promissary 'phone call and reference number was received.

Omani's were the worst for trying to do a runner.
plankwalker
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by davidb201:
“If JOB really wants to understand things like this ‘poor’ issue that he’s currently discussing, he should drop his guiding belief that the opinions of which he disapproves have been ‘sold’ to the hapless non-Libs of this world. The purveyors of these opinions, all lies apparently, include the ‘right wing media’ – an entity I can see no sign of here in contemporary England – if anything, virtually all journalists/broadcasters are depressingly liberal to the core.

People like me base our opinions on own experiences, not on what we read in papers. For instance, after I retired from my main career, I worked on an eighteen months contract at my local Job Centre. From experience, not prejudice, I can tell you that more than 50% of the people I interviewed were themselves wholly responsible for their unemployment. Many of them were deliberately playing the system, were very ready to lie and appeared to have no respect for the society that supports them.

The Lib/Left love to go on about poverty – e.g. Labour with that ridiculous ‘cost of living crisis’ mantra for the last GE campaign – but in England today there is really no such thing in absolute terms.”

On your experience at the Job Centre. Having had related recent London based experience for several years I would say you are not far wrong. Would split it up more though. Probably 25% due to real disability and things such as Learning issues, are sadly pretty much unemployable whether they want to work or not. You so want to help them. Don't forget a lot of people don't register or go to the Job Centre and just get on with finding a job
plankwalker
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by Mou Mou Land:
“My parents live in Spain and they receive fabulous care in Granada, but they still have to pay for certain services - it is quite expensive if you need an interpreter for instance.”

I live in England and can speak enough Spanish to navigate a bar there.
BanglaRoad
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by Mou Mou Land:
“I find it rather strange that the main opponents to this are my own ex profession and the medical profession - I think there is some kind of intellectual snobbery at work as far as the NHS goes because there seems to be this 'we are above all this' syndrome in action. It does not seem to extend to NHS nurses and doctors working in the private sector on their days off mind you.

I do not see the problem with charging at all and cannot see the administration being that difficult - we all have an NHS number and to get people to carry it around with them would not be that difficult. I have had several operations recently in the private sector and it takes about two minutes on the phone to BUPA to sort out details and get permission to proceed. If they can do it, then the NHS should be able to [mind you, after years of working in it, most senior managers in the NHS have trouble sitting the right way round on a toilet].

When I used to work in Harley Street Clinic in the 80's, the clientele was virtually 100% Arabic. Discharged patients were not allowed to leave until the relative embassy had given a promise that treatment would be paid for if the patient/insurance defaulted. When someone went home we had to call reception to inform them - they then sent up a security guard to 'escort' them to the door until the promissary 'phone call and reference number was received.

Omani's were the worst for trying to do a runner. ”

Thanks.
I honestly can't see much voter resentment to this idea no matter where they sit on the political scale.
Only concern I would have is that urgent treatment may be witheld from say a victim of a car crash.
If only Hunt would pursue this with the zeal he has gone after the junior doctors he would be doing good.
Supersoul
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by Capablanca:
“I was driving to work when I heard his preamble at the end of NF's show - Nazis, Trump.... I thought, nah.... I'll give it a miss.”

That's a very sensible decision.

JOB makes the Nazi comparison more and more these days. I do not mind a broadcaster having sixth form student opinions, but they cannot expect to be taken seriously. Also, it's strange the comparison is always Nazis and not Stalin, Mao, Khmer Rouge etc.
BanglaRoad
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by Supersoul:
“That's a very sensible decision.

JOB makes the Nazi comparison more and more these days. I do not mind a broadcaster having sixth form student opinions, but they cannot expect to be taken seriously. Also, it's strange the comparison is always Nazis and not Stalin, Mao, Khmer Rouge etc.”

Today's show was about US while supremacists being hot wired straight into the heart of the US government.
There was audio played of one of these people and listeners would have understood why the Nazi comparison was correct.
Supersoul
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by BanglaRoad:
“Today's show was about US while supremacists being hot wired straight into the heart of the US government.
There was audio played of one of these people and listeners would have understood why the Nazi comparison was correct.”

Well I would appreciate some more details - names or links to pertinent articles. I'm afraid I do not take what JOB says on trust any more. Because he calls "nazi" or "racist" so readily, I just cannot take his views seriously.
Mou Mou Land
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by BanglaRoad:
“Thanks.
I honestly can't see much voter resentment to this idea no matter where they sit on the political scale.
Only concern I would have is that urgent treatment may be witheld from say a victim of a car crash.
If only Hunt would pursue this with the zeal he has gone after the junior doctors he would be doing good.”

Unfortunately we have been fed this 'free at the point of contact' mantra for years and a lot seem to have swallowed it to the point where they believe it costs nothing. It costs me a bloody fortune every month to stitch up a load of drunks over the weekend.

The Junior doctors these days do not know they are born. The reason for the poor care at initial contact level is that doctors get so little experience now because of their working conditions. They may not be so tired because of the WTD, but they are a lot worse physicians. Since my day, nurses have taken over most of junior doctors roles and they seem to be just prescription signers now.
Mou Mou Land
22-11-2016
Originally Posted by Supersoul:
“That's a very sensible decision.

JOB makes the Nazi comparison more and more these days. I do not mind a broadcaster having sixth form student opinions, but they cannot expect to be taken seriously. Also, it's strange the comparison is always Nazis and not Stalin, Mao, Khmer Rouge etc.”

Was Mein Kampf dragged up again, with comparisons to Ms Leadson?
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