It might not have been on the ballot paper but it was made clear by the Leave campaign that it would be expected. I'm assuming you read both sides of the argument.

https://www.ft.com/content/0c5c74bc-...7-a4af20d5575e

And there's no shame in admitting you might have been wrong.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-result.html

..... and you wanted that dog badly hurt by a vicious kangaroo?, okay Bangla I get you.

Double post.

You're right it wasn't it was about to start fighting with the human but the guy 'chinned it' and it changed its mind.

So why did Teresa May only yesterday say she wanted a "deal for trading with and operating within the single European market" when leaders in the EU have made it clear that it could only happen if there is "freedom of movement for people, goods, services and financial market products"?

Just about as clear as the Leave Campaign claiming there would be another £350 million a week for the NHS.

What is wrong with sheep and chickens?

Milliband - Said that an Eu Referendum is "not a priority" and was therefore not offering that in the Labour Manifesto in 2015.
In other words.....he was not touching it with a barge pole.

Can we agree that if Cameron could Turn Back Time (hum the tune) he would have not have touched it with a bargepole? He would have grown a pair.....stood up to one wing of his own party.....and would have agreed with Miliband.
Miliband was right on the call that is going to dominate our lives. Philip Hammond has already told you that you have voted to make yourselves poorer. That is only the start.



Nick Clegg: During the Coalition talks after the 2010 General Election Clegg was in a strong position.
He was in a position of being able to choose his number one red line for the Lib Dems.
Would it be....Tuition Fees.....or would it be a £10k tax threshold?

Tuition fees would have cost £7.5bn. (to scrap them)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8421092.stm
10k Tax Threshold was projected to cost £17bn
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/ce...-to-10000.html

So.....do we agree that Nick Clegg could have had Tuition Fees scrapped at the Coalition talks if he had made that his red line.....and not the 10k Tax Threshold??

Clegg says he made the astonishing (in Political terms) decision to go with the 10k Threshold because it was the right thing for the country. But he could have had Tuition Fees scrapped.
I think you need to consider that - and it's impact on his Life - before you judge Nick Clegg.

At last.....someone is discussing "Nick".
I wonder if David Mellor will phone in.

What will happen when "Nick" appears in court and is defended by a brilliant and aggressive advocate? Surely that will be worth following.

No one wants to see a dog badly hurt by a vicious kangaroo, any more than they want to see a kangaroo punched in the face by a human. The point is that the men were allegedly out hunting warthogs/boar (I think I recall from the footage that the deliverer of the punch had a knife on his hip); if they'd not been out bothering the wildlife, and screeching from the back of a ute for the benefit of YouTube, and if the dogs had been kept on a leash, the situation could have been avoided entirely.

Good post Countess.

I respectively agree Countless.

Thank you Bangla. I haven't been on here for ages for many reasons but when I heard NF this morning, after seeing the video clip earlier this week, I had to post.

My husband is Australian and I've spent many a month in the bush in WA. His family has a farm north of Perth. There are rules to be followed (as in any rural community) in order to protect wildlife, people and pets - however, I get the distinct impression that the guys in this clip were just out for a jolly to let their dogs run amok. My evidence for this is that at the beginning of the clip the guy off camera can be heard to say: "We are all looking forward to seeing Max [the dog] on a boar."

That sounds to me like a reckless person rather than someone who has respect for the environment and the people/animals that inhabit it.

Aye that's about what I thought.
Those who use dogs for killing are IMO fairly despicabe individuals. As are those who think it's all rather a hoot and some sort of entertainment

Indeed. I've seen some shocking things on the farm in Oz. Nature, red in tooth and claw and all that. However, if you get to the stage when you have to punch an animal to protect your pet, you are too late to the game. You should have acted more sensibly prior to that point. Of course, there will always be scenarios where there is an exception to that rule, but if you let your dogs randomly wander around Australian bushland, then you need to think about the consequences - ideally before you let them off the leash, rather than after the fact.

Arguing to remain in the single market if it means that you concede on free movement of EU citizens and a payment of monies to the EU is totally at odds with what 17.4m people voted for, even my 10 year old nephew has grasped that fact.

There are 7 different principal decision making facets of the EU, namely;
The European Parliament, the European Council, the Council of the European Union, the European Commission, the Court of Justice of the European Union, the European Central Bank and the Court of Auditors

The simple question that was on the ballot papers in June 2016 was
“Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union”

It didn't say “it's a mix and match, pick the bits you'd like to keep and discard the dross that you don't fancy”

Leave means leave 100%

Remain would have meant remain…….with the crumbs that David Cameron managed to negotiate from his dictatorial paymasters, which was the square route of naff all.

It really is that simple

I don't think it is that simple, though. 'Leave' has a variety of scenarios, and I just don't understand why that's not seen as being 'that simple'.

To make that point is not an argument for reversing the referendum or for trying to stay in the EU, but it must be debated openly, surely?

It is that simple........unless you voted remain and don't like the result, which I understand

I like millions of others never voted for Blair, but I watched him wage war on Iraq, I never voted for Brown (mind you, no one did) and I watched him announce the sale of our gold reserves, watched the market drop and the U.K. Lose £10bn as a result of his stupidity.

I'm afraid Remainers are just going to have to accept the fact that 52% of the populace voted Leave.

Leave means that we return to the freedoms and trading options that we had prior to January 1973 and renegotiating new deals.

Anyone who says this process is simple has been sleeping for six months.
The government has been found lacking in how to even start the process of leaving legally and the fog of confusion is evident as can be seen by the mixed messages from the brexit minister and the PM.
Just a few things to consider
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...han-we-thought

Im not sure that the Grauniad is a worthwhile rag to take such advise from, neither is The Sun.
None of us really know what is going on behind the scenes.
Certainly one of the key principles of negotiation is not to flag EXACTLY what you are seeking until both parties are around the table..

Don't forget we are in a very very strong negotiating position, we buy £80bn of goods services from Germany and £40bn from France........yet only sell them £40bn and £20bn respectively. Their economies will not be able to withstand such losses if they start getting stroppy.......simple economics.

That sounds about right. Thank you g-s.

So it's not simple is it?

You think the German economy is dependant on selling to the UK. That's rubbish and you know it.
The UK has nowhere near enough people capable of dealing with the numerous trade negotiations and that is just the start.
The unpicking of legislation will be a nightmare and the whole ridiculous farce that is brexit may well be dragged through various courts for decades.

So, your position is that the UK does not have enough people to carry on trade negotiations with the EU and the rest of the world?

So where was Milliband on the gravy train exactly?

It is indeed most excellent research, but it doesn't state where Milliband was on the gravy train. Deffo offside.

That's an easy one to work out GFM, but you really must do your own research or people will accuse you of wanting me as your PA on less than the minimum wage.
Two things I am certain of

1) Milliband will not be sharing a carriage with the brother whom he so memorably stabbed in the front
2) Millionaire Milliband will not be sharing cattle class with us mere plebs

* he's not capable of driving the train and never will be, he threw himself on the tracks and let 'Casey Jones Corbyn' be remembered for finishing off the Labour Party.