Unless the chip has a tracker then not sure how a chip will help keep your pet safe.

I don't know this person however I trust my vet to do what is best for my dogs, and it's been proved that chipped dogs and cats are more likely to be returned to their owners after loss or being stolen. I don't pretend to be perfect or to own perfect dogs, no such thing in real life IMO

Then you need to educate yourself about them as you seem not to have firmest grasp on why we are now required to chip.

Hhahaha O-K

Last year I found a dying dog at the side of the road, she had obviously been hit by a car. Collar but no tag. I took her to my vet but there was nothing they could do. They scanned her but no chip but she looked well cared for. I put cards in the local shops and asked about but never found her owners. If she had a chip I could have told her owners. I would be distraught if one of my dogs went missing and even if they were killed I would rather know.
If she had survived she would have gone to the pound where she could have been rehomed after 7 days or PTS just for the sake of a chip. It may be that she had strayed a long way or been stolen and dumped.
People say it won't happen to their dog, I guess everyone thinks that but it does sadly.

A tag would have worked just as well. Even if it had been chipped not every vet has a universal scanner so it would only find a chip that fits their own scanner.. That dog could well have been chipped but the vet didn't find it.

You seem so determined to put your faith on a collar but won't accept that they can be removed. Not all owners have collars on their dogs all the time, I know they should but at least a chip is still there. Most chips are read by every scanner, certainly the ones used today but even the ones my lot have had for over 8 yrs are read by my vets who didn't insert them. You can actually feel them too, even if they do migrate, which isn't common, by running your hands carefully over the dog you can feel them so know where to scan.

Who said I dont accept collars can be removed? Don't put words into my mouth


I put my faith in myself as a responsible dog owner/slave. I should have the right to choose, Why do I lose my rights to choose because other people cannot be trusted to look after their pet? You put a lot of faith into a chip. How will you feel if your dog gets one of the many things that can go wrong? Oh well I had to do it, the government said so, That does not help your dog.

Wonder how many dogs will end up dead or mutilated by those who no longer want to keep them but have had them chipped? A collar can be taken off yes.. A chip that you can feel can also be removed if they cannot find it ( and it is fairly common) will they then kill the dog and dispose of it?

That's just it the idea anyone is infallible and can't possibly ever lose a dog makes no sense to me, the best owner in the world cannot predict what will happen everyday of their dogs life. Tragic that dogs owner was never found.

It was horrible, poor girl.

I know things can go wrong with chips but anything that may help reunite me with my beloved dogs is a good thing to me. All the dogs we've had over the 30+ yrs have been microchipped with no problem at all.
It's the apparent increase in burglaries where dogs are taken that scares me. It really is something beyond your control.

Indeed and I believe it can only get worse as we are no nearer seeing dogs as anything but objects so they are easy pickings really and high value too.

http://www.chipmenot.org.uk/news.asp

Can read the stats better at the link.



Proof that claims that dog chips lead to more owners being reunited are false - December 2014

In February the 7th Heaven Animal Rescue Trust in Northern Ireland wrote to Dog World magazine to expose the lie that chipping dogs allows lost dogs to be quickly re-united with their owners.

Compulsory chipping of dogs was introduced in Northern Ireland in 2012, so they now have figures that show it simply does not work. Under a freedom of Information Request, 7th Heaven Animal Rescue Trust received the statistics from the local council pounds in Northern Ireland for the last 4 years - two years preceding the introduction of compulsory microchipping in April 2012 and the two years after the act was introduced. These figures are below:
Year Dogs Taken In Dogs Returned to Owners % figure of dogs returned
2010/11 6766 2252 33.28%
2011/12 6708 2102 31.34%
(Introduction of compulsory microchipping, April 2012)
2012/13 6242 1970 31.56%
2013/14* 5895 2002 33.96%
Total number of dogs reunited to owners prior to legislation - 32.31%
Total number of dogs reunited to owners after legislation - 32.63%
*Statistics for the 2013/14 year where extrapolated from the 6 month period April 2013 to September 2014 as the request was made in October 2013

In their letter 7th Heaven point out that:

The most glaringly obvious statistic, and the one that proves the fallacy of compulsory microchipping, is the percentage of dogs re-united with their owners. They are virtually identical for the period before and after compulsory microchipping was introduced. You must also take into account the fact that it is also law in N.Ireland to have dogs displaying a tag with name and phone number so a lot of the dogs re-united with their owners would have been returned even if they weren't microchipped.

I'm no fan of microchipping. That said I know someone whose dog went missing. We put up posters and were contacted by someone who claimed they had bought it in a pub. We eventually 'reimbursed' them to get it back. Of course the identity tag had been removed. It turns out they lived yards from where the dog disappeared and 'had form'. I suppose with microchipping you could check any dogs on the premises of low lifes like this.
That said you have to wonder - if a dog has an actual tag to say it has been microchipped - whether anyone who snatched it might then dispose of it once realising. It's possibly better not to identify them as being chipped as responsible finders will have the animal scanned anyway.

I'm not against chips if that is what you want and if it gives you peace of mind.. I just dont believe chips have the affect people seem to think they do and dont feel anyone should be made to chip if they dont want to.

I also feel people should be told the risk .. small dogs are much more at risk from chipping than the larger dogs..

Its like vaccinations.. do you know a tiny teacup breed will be given the same dose as a great Dane? that is why a lot of alt vets say small dogs have many more illness and chronic diseases and cancers than a large breed will .

I am not against vaccinations I am against unsafe vaccinations. I am not against chipping I am against telling people complete crap about chips and the value of them.
If they had a tracker in I could see a benefit if your dog was a high value one or prone to wandering.. but as is, the cons far outweigh any benefits.

Im not having people telling me I am irresponsible when it seems to be the case that I have looked into these things and trying to protect my dog from anything harmful and others are just assuming everyone has their and their dogs interest at heart.

Seems the more we have in place to protect and keep our animals safe the more ill over the years they have become. Same with humans too

Wont be long before chips for children are here and a lot will think it a good thing.

Anyone using the term teacup about small dogs makes me wonder if they know anything about small dogs as there is no such term. Betty is small as they get at 5 lb but she is not a tea bag for a tea cup.

Because you dont like the term Teacup dog then I know nothing about small dogs .. Read up on chipping and vaccinating tiny dogs as seems you dont know anything at all about the danger you put your little dog in.

I used the term teacup to show the difference in size between them and a grt Dane and both get the same dose of vaccine.. That does not bother you though just the fact I said Teacup does.. oh man!

( teacup chihuahuas are just very small chihuahuas usually under 3 lbs in weight.) .

Under 3lb in weight they are runts of the litter and very unhealthy dogs often have sugar highs and lows and will be ill more from the bad breeding than from anything else.

for goodness sake!
This has nothing to do with those dogs it was just for size reference
just saying that small dogs will get the same dose of vaccine that the largest breed will get.

So your 5lb dog will get as much vaccine as a 250lb mastiff, Can you not see what the problem could be with that?

Yes I know they do, but if you have a decent vet they will address any queries and like mine not vaccinate as often as they do for larger dogs, Elsie has once a year jabs Betty every other year, talk to your vet if you have a tiny and find one who actually knows something about them.

If you want to do the best for your dog then do your research!

http://www.yourpurebredpuppy.com/hea...cinations.html
Do you have a new puppy, and it's time to take him to the vet for his shots? Or do you have an adult dog and it's time for booster shots?

I'm glad you're reading this page! The right vaccinations will help protect your dog's health – but unnecessary vaccinations can DAMAGE your dog's health.

Let's talk about this.

Only a few years ago, it was considered mandatory to bring your adult dog to the vet every year for his "booster" shots. And we've also been told that it's a good idea to get all of Jake's puppy shots rolled into a 7-in-one mega-injection....then repeat it after a few weeks....and then again after another few weeks. After that, we were told he'd need his yearly "booster" to keep him "current."

We knew it must be true because the vets told us so. So did the vaccine manufacturers. The fact that veterinarians and vaccine manufacturers have a strong financial incentive for urging us to get lots of shots for our dogs didn't seem to occur to us.

But times have changed. We consumers have our eyes open now. We know that what pharmaceutical companies, doctors, dog food companies and, yes, vets say is usually biased by what's in it for them.

For many years we've been misled about vaccinations. I'm not alone when I say so. Let's see what other experts – leading vets and researchers – have to say about vaccinations. (see link for what they say)

My dog got a reminder for the booster, then a reminder of the reminder etc etc... This despite being 13 years old and with liver disease - which makes vaccination - and even regular flea treatment - an absolute no no. Yet this was a largish vets regarded as the best in the area.
In fact an increasing number of people are realising that boosters are unnecessary after a certain period. If in any doubt you can have titers done to check.
http://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/titer-testing-dog/
That said there could be a problem finding boarding kennels without the 'correct paperwork'. Fortunately we don't use them.

Yes! When I decided that my animals were going to be all natural if possible, then I had to forgo any ideas about *holidays training groups and the like and knew all training and socialising would be down to me.

No chemicals go on them, or in them.. I prepare all their food and treats. I do all their flea prevention and worm prevention I have a good stock of 1st aid for them as well.

Over the years I have seen the health of animals and humans decline even though they all now supposedly get the best care from Drs and Vets..
I have nothing against Drs and Vets but really feel they treat symptoms rather than find the cause of the problem and are pressurised by drug companies to dish out things many do not really need.
I really hope one day all vets and Drs and alt Drs and Vets will work together with those who prefer a natural approach to life.

*Im now lucky as met many people who do the same as me so i'm sure if I needed to get away I could now easy find someone who feeds like I do and who I know would do all they can to help them naturally before taking to a vet.

Alternative vets, anti vaccine, anti chip, no chemicals.

Your "research" is sites like chipmenot.

I'm sorry but you have no idea about the scientific process and your opinion is invalid.

Here is a tip. When you do "research" don't use Google. Use Google scholar

I have two friends who are both alt vets. I value their opinion and results over yours.

I am not anti anything if I think its a need. I dont believe that a dog needs a booster every year and if they miss the deadline have to re-start their vaccinations.
I dont believe a 5lb dog needs the same dose as a 250lb dog.. I dont believe they need all vaccinations at the same time..

Ask yourself why so many animals have chronic health problems now, ask yourself why so many people also have so many health problems now.. People and animals are getting more and more health problems.

I will do the best I can for my family. I will not just take a Dr or Vets word for anything any more.

Its a discussion forum and my opinion is just as valid as anyone else's.

If it gets one person to think "Hold on, I did everything my vet said, I fed them the best I could, I treated them with the best treatments I could, but still they got chronicle ill, still they got cancer, all my pets as a child lived to a ripe age without needing vet visits all the time"

I didn't just get a dog or cats and think I'm not going to have anything done to them.. Its through having done everything "right" and the result is animals with bad health, that made me say "hold on" and look into the possible causes..

You think I am a idiot, I think those who do everything without question a idiot, just like I was before.

I don't like the term "teacup" myself as it's mostly used by bad breeders and those who treat their dogs like accessories.

If you want to refer to a very small dog of it's type I would prefer myself using the term runt or just calling it undersized