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Old 27-02-2016, 07:48
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My dad (who is 71) was talking about the Gallagher brothers the other day and we got on to talking about Britpop as a 90s thing and Ocean Colour Scene, Oasis, Pulp, Dodgy and so on.

My dad didn't get the "Britpop" thing saying it was nothing new, Britpop started in the 60s with all the Swinging 60s/Carnaby Street stuff. "It was all there in our day, nothing different at all, just jumping on a bandwagon"
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Old 27-02-2016, 08:27
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Its true many of the Brit Pop bands were influenced by 60s bands like The Kinks and Small Faces especially Blur and Ocean Colour Scene
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Old 27-02-2016, 09:21
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I hate the term "Britpop" as most of the bands were Indie rock.
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Old 27-02-2016, 11:50
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I hate the term "Britpop" as most of the bands were Indie rock.
I think Britpop is a cultural label which describes what is more like a cultural movement or a music scene rather than a music genre. Most of the bands would be described as Alt Rock rather than Indie Rock. And in many ways The Spice Girls captured the spirit of Britpop and they weren't an Alt Rock outfit.

A better label might be Cool Britannia. There seemed to be something of a harping back to the 60s/70s, particularly in the music of Oasis. It helped remind people how good Britain is at making pop music. Just like Adele is doing at the moment.
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Old 27-02-2016, 12:39
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I loved Britpop, it was a shame it died out so quickly, after it became a pastiche of itself. I was about 13 when it started.

So many great albums from that time that I still listen today:

Blur's Parklife
Sleeper's The It Girl
Elastica's self titled debut
Oasis' Definitely Maybe

Your dad's right though, it really wasn't anything new and most of the bands were heavily influenced from the bands of the 60s (and 70s in Elastica's case).

Such great music
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Old 27-02-2016, 16:29
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I loved Britpop, it was a shame it died out so quickly, after it became a pastiche of itself. I was about 13 when it started.

So many great albums from that time that I still listen today:

Blur's Parklife
Sleeper's The It Girl
Elastica's self titled debut
Oasis' Definitely Maybe

Your dad's right though, it really wasn't anything new and most of the bands were heavily influenced from the bands of the 60s (and 70s in Elastica's case).

Such great music
Definitely Maybe is superb, without doubt my favourite album of all time.
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Old 27-02-2016, 17:30
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People moan about Britpop and retro guitar sounds but is any of the electronic music that is now pushed on the likes of Radio 1 above "retro" guitar bands in any way original either? Whether it be through lazy unoriginal samples of old songs or just recycling old sounds.

Case of point over the past year or so I have heard Radio 1 play at least 3 utterly sh*te songs that seem to have ripped off the "House Organ" sound from Show Me Love by Robin S and have barely even changed the notes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGxwoITmrYY

I would love to have also linked the rip offs but they were all so crap my brain seems to have purged them from my mind.

But you know the riff: Doo-diddly-do-do-do...etc. Flip me, when I first heard that ditty all those years ago it really wasn't something I though 20 odd years later I would be hearing again...and again...and it appears... again. I'm sure some other talentless d*ckhead DJ is working on yet another rehash as I type this. Remember kids: unoriginality sells.

The whole thing that makes me laugh is Radio 1 have that ridiculous policy that they wont play music that isn't "modern" enough for their target 12 year old audience...and yet most of the electronic sounds they push come across to me as sounds routed in the 90's club and hip hop scene that their 40+ bosses would have gone to in their youth. Not that I am suggesting in any way at all that their own personal tastes have a great bias over what music they chose to play on the station, no no, not at all.
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Old 27-02-2016, 18:04
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I was in my early-mid teens during Britpop so too young to enjoy it in pubs and clubs (legally at least) but the right age to hide away in my room taking it all in.

I loved it, and continue to. The Oasis v Blur thing, although blown out of all proportion by the press was the most exciting thing, and bands like Pulp, Space, Bluetones, Sleeper...loved it.

There were other factors to it. Euro 96, Chris Evans & Tony Blair were all a big part of it. It just felt like things we going well in Britain.

Nothing new though, as the OP says. This had all happened with The Beatles, The Stones, The Kinks etc in the 60s.
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Old 27-02-2016, 19:19
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Well it's 2016 and England (Wales, Norn Irn and the Rep of Ireland) are in the Euros again.
One of them will do well....probably Wales....pity we don't have the music to go with it.
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Old 28-02-2016, 11:10
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I hate the term "Britpop" as most of the bands were Indie rock.
and a lot weren't really 'rock' of any kind if you include under "Britpop" the kind of bands covered in the seminal Britpop issue of Select from 1993: Pulp, St Etienne, Denim, the Auteurs, Suede, Supergrass... That's how I remember my Britpop .. as 'pop'
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Old 28-02-2016, 11:27
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My dad (who is 71) was talking about the Gallagher brothers the other day and we got on to talking about Britpop as a 90s thing and Ocean Colour Scene, Oasis, Pulp, Dodgy and so on.

My dad didn't get the "Britpop" thing saying it was nothing new, Britpop started in the 60s with all the Swinging 60s/Carnaby Street stuff. "It was all there in our day, nothing different at all, just jumping on a bandwagon"
your dad is right....

but so what? when new groups raid retro styles and do it well, it revives a great style and gives it new meaning to a new generation


I hate the term "Britpop" as most of the bands were Indie rock.
disagree.... indie is just another form of britpop, or 60's beat/mod music. theres nothing stylistically different in indie/alternative from the great original guitar bands of the 60's. they were called pop groups, so britpop is actually a very apt term whether you like it or not!

i find people who want to seperate indie/alternative from guitar based pop are mostly snobs whi imagine their tastes are somehow superior.
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Old 28-02-2016, 12:01
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I still regard Marion's This World and Body as one of the best albums ever made and singer Jaime Harding to be the finest vocalist of that entire era.
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Old 28-02-2016, 13:30
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I always preferred trip hop but it was nice to see the UK having a moment.

Of all the Britpop acts there were two that slipped through the net who did 2 songs I adore - Railway Children - So Right and The Milltown Brothers - Nationality.
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Old 28-02-2016, 23:54
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disagree.... indie is just another form of britpop, or 60's beat/mod music. theres nothing stylistically different in indie/alternative from the great original guitar bands of the 60's. they were called pop groups, so britpop is actually a very apt term whether you like it or not!

i find people who want to seperate indie/alternative from guitar based pop are mostly snobs whi imagine their tastes are somehow superior.
Nonsense , "Indie" used to mean the distribution, Red Rhino, Rough Trade whatever , Joy Division , Crispy Ambulance, This Heat, Instant Automatons, Danny and the Dressmakers, Throbbing Gristle , Lemon Kittens,Fad Gadget, Whitehouse , Frankie Paul used to make the Indie charts
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Old 29-02-2016, 08:57
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Nonsense , "Indie" used to mean the distribution, Red Rhino, Rough Trade whatever , Joy Division , Crispy Ambulance, This Heat, Instant Automatons, Danny and the Dressmakers, Throbbing Gristle , Lemon Kittens,Fad Gadget, Whitehouse , Frankie Paul used to make the Indie charts
true... but that definition died out 30 years ago... and what people call indie now is just plain straightforeward guitar based pop. in fact it was then too, the only difference was the record label the acts recorded on. musically there was no difference

interestingly SAW were possibly the most successful true indie producers!
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Old 29-02-2016, 09:36
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Marion - Time (live at Glastonbury).
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJn5Lq9yWAs

Fallen Through (live in London 1995)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwsWfITPq-k

All for love (from the same show as above)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t8lNTtmzE4

Miyako Hideaway (promo video)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_8Kh48_AVs

And my favourite of all:
Sparkle - but I couldn't find a video for it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBJ2W1FBALA
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Old 01-03-2016, 00:50
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what people call indie now is just plain straightforeward guitar based pop. in fact it was then too, the only difference was the record label the acts recorded on. musically there was no difference
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Nonsense, Spiral Scratch and The Desperate Bicycles probably started the UK indie scene and were Krautrock / Canterbury scene influenced stuffed , I'd describe it as anti-pop
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Old 01-03-2016, 00:52
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true... but that definition died out 30 years ago... and what people call indie now is just plain straightforeward guitar based pop. in fact it was then too, the only difference was the record label the acts recorded on. musically there was no difference

interestingly SAW were possibly the most successful true indie producers!
Do you think Coldplay and Swell Maps are comparable?
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Old 01-03-2016, 09:10
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Nonsense, Spiral Scratch and The Desperate Bicycles probably started the UK indie scene and were Krautrock / Canterbury scene influenced stuffed , I'd describe it as anti-pop
... but musically how are they different from any other guitar based act?

Do you think Coldplay and Swell Maps are comparable?
interesting question, and the answer is - i dont know! because ive not taken any notice of coldplay. so i was talking historically.
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Old 01-03-2016, 10:26
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... but musically how are they different from any other guitar based act?
Lyrically, melodically, production values...
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Old 01-03-2016, 11:22
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Lyrically, melodically, production values...
but isnt that just variation on a theme?
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Old 01-03-2016, 12:48
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Loved it at the time (as a yoof!)....listening back now it's complete and utter tosh.

I worshipped Oasis, but nowadays I just think the songs are a collection of rhyming words, and don't even get me started on Noel Gallagher or Graham Coxon being counted as 'great' 'guitarists'....

I've been on Spotify in recent weeks trying to relive some of my younger days and very few of the indie bands I loved stand up to the test of time (ie..Ride, Candyskins, Shack, Bluetones, Hurricane #1, Charlatans, Dodgy)...It's soul destroying hearing it all again.
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Old 01-03-2016, 14:16
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true... but that definition died out 30 years ago... and what people call indie now is just plain straightforeward guitar based pop. in fact it was then too, the only difference was the record label the acts recorded on. musically there was no difference

interestingly SAW were possibly the most successful true indie producers!
Yeah the definition changed when most of the "indie" labels were bought out by majors and run basically as subsidiaries but the bands still carried on with their "indie" moniker and as most successful bands at that time were guitar pop the name stuck to that kind of music.
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Old 01-03-2016, 14:18
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Loved it at the time (as a yoof!)....listening back now it's complete and utter tosh.

I worshipped Oasis, but nowadays I just think the songs are a collection of rhyming words, and don't even get me started on Noel Gallagher or Graham Coxon being counted as 'great' 'guitarists'....

I've been on Spotify in recent weeks trying to relive some of my younger days and very few of the indie bands I loved stand up to the test of time (ie..Ride, Candyskins, Shack, Bluetones, Hurricane #1, Charlatans, Dodgy)...It's soul destroying hearing it all again.
I still think most of it is great guitar music.
It's not musically complicated but the tunes are great and that's more important to me.
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Old 01-03-2016, 15:43
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I still think most of it is great guitar music.
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i agree.... and i lament that theres nothing of that calibre around now.

(unless you have time to search for it of course!)
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