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World Wrestling Entertainment Discussion 41 (Spoilers)
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BFGArmy
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by King Kunta:
“The Network is great, I'm glad it's close to the numbers it is hoping to be, it was never going to be an overnight success, look at how long Netflix took to be a household brand (I'm not comparing the two, because one is totally a niche product), the amount of original programming they're trying to get out is wonderful... some of it is a total miss, like the whole Jerry Springer thing they tried last year and some of it is a hit, I can't wait for Camp WWE as well.”

Good mix of programmes too on there too.

It's just a shame the actual main product is so poorly written at the moment.

Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“Weekly television and PPV don't deserve those numbers, the network absolutely does. Just NXT alone is worth 1.8m subscribers but they are managing to create really good television for their network with the likes of WWE 24, Breaking Ground, Stone Cold Podcast, Legends With JBL are all fantastic television (the latter two depending on who the interviews are with).”

Yeah that's fair enough - I agree with that.

The Network itself is good and deserves the numbers but the weekly stuff certainly doesn't.
lauren_1987
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by ICT User 77:
“Very fair analysis.

Plus the archive footage is great too. It will be even better when WWE puts more Raws, Smackdowns, Nitros and even WCW Thunders.”

Does anyone know why raw and smackdown are not shown live on the network anymore?
King Kunta
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by lauren_1987:
“Does anyone know why raw and smackdown are not shown live on the network anymore?”

They never were. They put them on a month later, it wouldn't be viable and they'd lose too much money from Sky Sports, USA Network etc.
BFGArmy
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by lauren_1987:
“Does anyone know why raw and smackdown are not shown live on the network anymore?”

They never were live on the Network. They've always added them on 4-5 weeks after they happened.
If they aired live on the Network, they'd miss out on the TV deal money and the chance to attract a bigger audience and the casual viewer.

That said one peeve I have about the Network (small one as it's a great service) is how there are vast periods of Raw and Smackdown with next to no shows on the Network.
I could even understand if some years were just missing but then they'll randomly have say just 1 Raw from 2008 and 3 from 2010 which is just odd lol
stu64
04-04-2016
Ohhh forgot what was the best part last night...Lana and her amazing ass in her new ring gear!

I heard that the 10 diva tag match was good but was too busy just looking at her ass lol
ICT User 77
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“They never were live on the Network. They've always added them on 4-5 weeks after they happened.
If they aired live on the Network, they'd miss out on the TV deal money and the chance to attract a bigger audience and the casual viewer.

That said one peeve I have about the Network (small one as it's a great serve) is how there are vast periods of Raw and Smackdown with next to no shows on the Network.
I could even understand if some years were just missing but then they'll randomly have say just 1 Raw from 2008 and 3 from 2010 which is just odd lol”

Yeah that's a gripe I have too.

I want to watch the Raws and Smackdowns from certain years but they have chunks missing.

I'm amazed they haven't put one episode of Thunder on there yet. Sure it wasn't a great show but it's still part of WCW's history and builds up to the PPV's.
stu64
04-04-2016
That guy on reddit linked on the previous page who is suppose to be a insider said that Ambrose was pushing all week to allow him to use weapons other than the kendo stick yet Vince get saying no.

No wonder he was pissed all weekend in both senses of the word!

Again, why have hardcore legends hand him weapons on Raw yet never use them!
lauren_1987
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“They never were live on the Network. They've always added them on 4-5 weeks after they happened.
If they aired live on the Network, they'd miss out on the TV deal money and the chance to attract a bigger audience and the casual viewer.

That said one peeve I have about the Network (small one as it's a great service) is how there are vast periods of Raw and Smackdown with next to no shows on the Network.
I could even understand if some years were just missing but then they'll randomly have say just 1 Raw from 2008 and 3 from 2010 which is just odd lol”

Originally Posted by King Kunta:
“They never were. They put them on a month later, it wouldn't be viable and they'd lose too much money from Sky Sports, USA Network etc.”


Thank you. I always thought they were on lol! Completely get the loss of revenue
lauren_1987
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by stu64:
“That guy on reddit linked on the previous page who is suppose to be a insider said that Ambrose was pushing all week to allow him to use weapons other than the kendo stick yet Vince get saying no.

No wonder he was pissed all weekend in both senses of the word!

Again, why have hardcore legends hand him weapons on Raw yet never use them!”

Lol! I also wonder who the returning female is that is stated by the insider
ICT User 77
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by stu64:
“That guy on reddit linked on the previous page who is suppose to be a insider said that Ambrose was pushing all week to allow him to use weapons other than the kendo stick yet Vince get saying no.

No wonder he was pissed all weekend in both senses of the word!

Again, why have hardcore legends hand him weapons on Raw yet never use them!”

To be fair he was never going to be able to use a Chainsaw.

When he got it out and started trying to get it going. If he had, what would he have done next? Sliced Brock's arms off?
Hollie_Louise
04-04-2016
It will be interesting to see what they averaged over the quarter which should be coming up in the coming weeks. There is very likely to be a big drop off when the Q2/3 results are announced but it appears that people continue to transfer to paid membership when the free month is up.

Just read an article posted when the first ever subscriber number was released at 667,000 entitled 'Vince McMahon's Plan To Turn Around Is Blowing Up In His Face', they are currently 400,000 (paid) over the initial break even level of 1 million which was reduced anyway because people didn't stop buying PPV which was anticipated.

It's been a slow burner but WWE are proving as of now they absolutely had the right idea to turn away from their PPV model to subscription. I remember reading it would never hit a million, then it would never get much over a million, then it would never reach over 1.5 million. It's got a way to go, long way to go, but it's 100,000 away from half of what WWE have said they hope to get (3 million on a consistent rolling basis) which whilst isn't the best news 2 years in but it's not the disaster people were claiming it would be.

Just imagine how bloody well it would do if they put effort into television.
Hollie_Louise
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by lauren_1987:
“Lol! I also wonder who the returning female is that is stated by the insider ”

From what I've read, it's a former champion (of the Diva or Women's variety)
tso
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“From what I've read, it's a former champion (of the Diva or Women's variety)”

Nikki ?
lauren_1987
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“From what I've read, it's a former champion (of the Diva or Women's variety)”

Oh right... Could it be aj??
BFGArmy
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by ICT User 77:
“To be fair he was never going to be able to use a Chainsaw.

When he got it out and started trying to get it going. If he had, what would he have done next? Sliced Brock's arms off?”

Now that really would've been a Wrestlemania moment. Not necessarily a good one but certainly unforgettable.
FMKK
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“Or even have Rollins turn on the Authority - say rehab given him time to think and that he's snapped both as a result of how they hindered and belittled him in the months pre injury (often having him in 2 matches in one night, not stopping Kane from making his life a living hell) and the 'everyone not named HHH are mere mortals' stuff the Authority have been saying recently while he's been on the shelf.




Even in a vacuum, it was a bit dull.
But then it's not a vacuum. Many watching had already been watching for 6 hours at that point and so to even have a hope of winning people over it had to be fast and energetic. Instead it was deathly slow and the perfect example of Triple H's 'epictitis' (I'm copyrighting that)

Didn't help too that the Steph spear spot couldn't have been more telegraphed if she'd got a loudspeaker and told everyone she was going to be speared.

That said all the 3 big Mania matches are hardly likely to be remembered as classics.

I honestly preferred the 10-diva tag match to the main-event. Better moves in that match, much more fun and unlike many matches had the right ending too.
It had the surprise too of Eva actually being OK - throwing out hurricaranas and Sliced Red #2s. I'll admit it I'm becoming a bit of an Eva Marie mark.

It's been obvious Reigns needs to turn heel for months. Doesn't mean WWE will do it.”

I like this turn of phrase. I'm definitely going to start using it.
lauren_1987
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by ICT User 77:
“To be fair he was never going to be able to use a Chainsaw.

When he got it out and started trying to get it going. If he had, what would he have done next? Sliced Brock's arms off?”

That might have made it more interesting! But we have to think of the no blood policy
HaloJoe
04-04-2016
How on earth did the bookies know to put Ryder as red hot favourite, their 'insider' knowledge is better than any experts! Also Charlotte was red hot favourite to win, when most thought Sasha. Though they didn't get Corbin!
HaloJoe
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by lauren_1987:
“Oh right... Could it be aj??”

I was thinking that!
BFGArmy
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“It will be interesting to see what they averaged over the quarter which should be coming up in the coming weeks. There is very likely to be a big drop off when the Q2/3 results are announced but it appears that people continue to transfer to paid membership when the free month is up.

Just read an article posted when the first ever subscriber number was released at 667,000 entitled 'Vince McMahon's Plan To Turn Around Is Blowing Up In His Face', they are currently 400,000 (paid) over the initial break even level of 1 million which was reduced anyway because people didn't stop buying PPV which was anticipated.

It's been a slow burner but WWE are proving as of now they absolutely had the right idea to turn away from their PPV model to subscription. I remember reading it would never hit a million, then it would never get much over a million, then it would never reach over 1.5 million. It's got a way to go, long way to go, but it's 100,000 away from half of what WWE have said they hope to get (3 million on a consistent rolling basis) which whilst isn't the best news 2 years in but it's not the disaster people were claiming it would be.

Just imagine how bloody well it would do if they put effort into television.”

Oh I remember the Chicken Little reaction when the 600,000 figure was announced. I'd say if they can stay above 1.5 million they're in a pretty comfortable position.

Originally Posted by FMKK:
“I like this turn of phrase. I'm definitely going to start using it.”



I'll stop there before I ruin it.
DejaVoodoo
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by HaloJoe:
“How on earth did the bookies know to put Ryder as red hot favourite, their 'insider' knowledge is better than any experts! Also Charlotte was red hot favourite to win, when most thought Sasha. Though they didn't get Corbin!”

It's believed that people in WWE after the production meeting get people to put bets on for them.
DejaVoodoo
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by lauren_1987:
“Oh right... Could it be aj??”

People reckon it's
Spoiler
Maryse
D.M.N.
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by DejaVoodoo:
“People reckon it's
Spoiler
Maryse
”

RAW spoiler from FalconArrow in relation to the above

Spoiler
Miz def. Ryder for IC Title thanks to Maryse interference
Hollie_Louise
04-04-2016
Oooh that's not who I've read.
lauren_1987
04-04-2016
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“RAW spoiler from FalconArrow in relation to the above

Spoiler
Miz def. Ryder for IC Title thanks to Maryse interference
”

Oh really. And there was me getting my hopes up
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