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#8976 |
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Where is Vince? It feels like a while since we've seen him, right?
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At no other point in history has professional wrestling been less cool, less popular and more importantly, less watched. There's fewer people watching at home and attending live events than ever before.
I gather that some of the above passed away, and some are still shambling around, but where are the new BIG stars of today? I know the past always looks rosy, but honestly when I look at the schedules, I can't find anything or anyone that makes me want to return to watching pro wrestling. |
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I think you're giving Vince Russo a bit too much credit for the 10 million viewers in the attitude era. Wrestling became cool when one man turned on his friends and that was the Hulk Hogan heel turn, that night turned the industry on its head and created the most over group of all time, the NWO. If it wasn't for the NWO there wouln't have been the same buzz around wrestling. The Monday night wars was what kept viewers coming back for more, once WCW went, it was inevitable that WWE would drop their standards, they had no one to compete against. And this is coming from a huge WWE fan of that time.
Also, guys like Stone Cold and The Rock made themselves, creative held them back to begin with rubbish gimmicks, but luckily for the WWE they found their own voices. Also, with regards to ratings, I used to remember the days when Eastenders got 18-20 million viewers per episode, they've probably dipped by a significant amount now though and that's because there's more choice out there, easier to record more than one show at a time and watch it later etc. You're probably right that Vince doesn't care as much about the product as he once did and that's probably because he has a steady income coming in from the network etc. Whenever any brand or franchise 'catches on' it makes its biggest impact due do the fad element. That's why the TMNT franchise won't sell as many tickets (in North America/Europe) as it did in 1990. It's also why The Simpsons won't ever attract the ratings it did in its early days. A brand has to go through a complete renaissance to hit big - late 1990's wrestling was a radical departure from that of late 1980's. If Rock n' Wrestling had a shelf life, the NWO and Attitude had an even shorter one due to the fast nature and overexposure. American Wrestling and Vince McMahon's version of it doesn't have a shelf life, but the fan base and how they watch it will both shrink and evolve due to the changes in habits. The way they handle the performers and their character does make it easier to miss, in my opinion. After working in the industry for 45 years, being old and filthy rich, I'd be amazed if Vince McMahon had anywhere close to the same amount of passion he did even a decade ago. |
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So it is a surprise when they cash in, Even though everyone sees it coming
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Rumours on the twitter the hatch is for a trailer for the next video game, with Goldberg.
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Booooooooooooooo Reigns
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Titus? OK, i´m fine with this.
Better than Cena atleast. |
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Can't wait for Steph Vs Charlotte at Summerslam
![]() Before anyone jumps on about its scripted yeah we all know but he doesnt have to hurt her just make the part look good. |
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On the point of AJ btw, the stories coming out recently regarding a brand split seem to suggest that Reigns will be the main star on Raw and Cena his counterpart on Smackdown so it could be that the AJ/The Club vs John Cena feud is the one that kinda kicks off the newly revamped Smackdown and if there's two world titles again, there's every chance that AJ ends up holding the Smackdown belt as the top heel.
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You're spot on with this, in my opinion. The most popular British soaps were attracting 18 million viewers on average when Monday night wrestling was at its peak in 1998/1999. These days they are down to often a third of that.
Whenever any brand or franchise 'catches on' it makes its biggest impact due do the fad element. That's why the TMNT franchise won't sell as many tickets (in North America/Europe) as it did in 1990. It's also why The Simpsons won't ever attract the ratings it did in its early days. A brand has to go through a complete renaissance to hit big - late 1990's wrestling was a radical departure from that of late 1980's. If Rock n' Wrestling had a shelf life, the NWO and Attitude had an even shorter one due to the fast nature and overexposure. American Wrestling and Vince McMahon's version of it doesn't have a shelf life, but the fan base and how they watch it will both shrink and evolve due to the changes in habits. The way they handle the performers and their character does make it easier to miss, in my opinion. After working in the industry for 45 years, being old and filthy rich, I'd be amazed if Vince McMahon had anywhere close to the same amount of passion he did even a decade ago. Quote:
Im suprised Ric Flair didnt go ape shit on Charlotte last week and gave her a beating for how she treated her father. Cant see many parents putting up with that shit being disrespected by their kid.
Before anyone jumps on about its scripted yeah we all know but he doesnt have to hurt her just make the part look good. Pretty sure she could take the old soak anyway. Quote:
If it was anybody else than Cena (and Reigns) facing him, i would believe he had a chance to win. But no, i think after this feud, his record will sadly most likely be 0-3 due to certain someones (Vince) ego getting in the way.
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^ I only mentioned Reigns for reference, because he is the other one who AJ would never allowed to win a title against. Everyone and their pet animal knew that AJ wasn´t going to win against Reigns.
I´m just skeptical if they would let AJ win any matches against Cena. |
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^ I only mentioned Reigns for reference, because he is the other one who AJ would never allowed to win a title against. Everyone and their pet animal knew that AJ wasn´t going to win against Reigns.
I´m just skeptical if they would let AJ win any matches against Cena. |
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Nor should he have. That's the point.
Bryan's first title defence - 40+ year old veteran Kane. Punk's first title defence - Alberto Del Rio. Then The Miz. Then Dolph Ziggler. There is a very, very clear pattern here - top stars are fed to the likes of Cena and Reigns as if it means nothing at all. This is not the case for any proper fan favourites, like Punk, Bryan or indeed AJ Styles. It is pure ignorance to suggest the burial of Styles (and I don't use that term lightly) is nothing to do with his run in TNA and as a top indy star. If this were a one-off we could brush it to one side, but we ALL know it isn't. Vince has a huge track record of burying non-WWE talent - as recently as last year, Sting was signed and his first match, his Wrestlemania moment, was booked as a WWE vs. wCw war...14 YEARS AFTER THAT WAR HAD ENDED. The booking of Styles is all about supremacy. It's not because Vince feels threatened by TNA, or because he has even paid any great deal of attention to Styles' career there - it is all about sending a message. The top indy work in the world (as he has often been referred to on WWE programming) just can't hang with the best in the business in the "big leagues" of WWE. |
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NJPW put the Ricochet vs Will Ospreay match up officially in HD- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TgbxaQcheQ
Watched it all the way through a second time on a big tv. That count out spot is still ridiculous mind. |
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Originally Posted by twitter
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@SarahCassi #Breaking: #SuperflySnuka NOT competent to stand trial in 1983 death of Nancy Argentino, judge rules. |
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No it isn't.
Bryan's first title defence - 40+ year old veteran Kane. Punk's first title defence - Alberto Del Rio. Then The Miz. Then Dolph Ziggler. There is a very, very clear pattern here - top stars are fed to the likes of Cena and Reigns as if it means nothing at all. This is not the case for any proper fan favourites, like Punk, Bryan or indeed AJ Styles. It is pure ignorance to suggest the burial of Styles (and I don't use that term lightly) is nothing to do with his run in TNA and as a top indy star. If this were a one-off we could brush it to one side, but we ALL know it isn't. Vince has a huge track record of burying non-WWE talent - as recently as last year, Sting was signed and his first match, his Wrestlemania moment, was booked as a WWE vs. wCw war...14 YEARS AFTER THAT WAR HAD ENDED. The booking of Styles is all about supremacy. It's not because Vince feels threatened by TNA, or because he has even paid any great deal of attention to Styles' career there - it is all about sending a message. The top indy work in the world (as he has often been referred to on WWE programming) just can't hang with the best in the business in the "big leagues" of WWE. |
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Amazing match. All the haters can go on WWE Network to watch Bret and Shawn bore a Wrestlemania arena half to death with 60 minutes of chain-wrestling and rest-holds...sorry, "psychology" and "story-telling".
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https://www.facebook.com/PWSpotlight...5518724153287/
Could be worse I suppose! Supposedly aired on Impact but I'm struggling to believe it, surely they wouldn't let that air. |
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Please tell me that didn't actually go out television.
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What in the name of holy **** did I just watch? What is going on with Matt Hardy?
The acting and production there was sub-pornography bad. The worst segment I've ever seen. |
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The super slow motion onto the table was hilarious
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Just bear in mind, a year ago this week James Storm committed what was a "borderline criminal" act (AKA attempted murder) when he pushed Mickie James in front of a train.
It makes the McMahon promo this week look genius in comparison. I don't know how that video gets approved, who watched that and said it should go on national television? |
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Please tell me that didn't actually go out television.
Been noticed that Mark Dallas just started following Challenge on twitter and some hope this maybe the beginning of the end of TNA on British telly. But c'mon, we're no that lucky. |
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Raw ratings in
Hour 1 - 3.282 Hour 2 - 3.324 Hour 3 - 3.081 Hour number 2 grew and hour 3 hit by the over run for the nba. Not bad considering the nba play off finals for 9pm hit 15.996!!😱 |
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Just bear in mind, a year ago this week James Storm committed what was a "borderline criminal" act (AKA attempted murder) when he pushed Mickie James in front of a train.
It makes the McMahon promo this week look genius in comparison. I don't know how that video gets approved, who watched that and said it should go on national television? thanks for reminding me of this. I had to go back and listen to Bryan Vinnys review of it on youtube. "what COCKS!" ![]()
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