Had a lovely few hours watching the Shane McMahon collection on the network. Just about to watch his match with Angle at KOTR 01.
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Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“Had a lovely few hours watching the Shane McMahon collection on the network. Just about to watch his match with Angle at KOTR 01.”
“Had a lovely few hours watching the Shane McMahon collection on the network. Just about to watch his match with Angle at KOTR 01.”
A PPV well known for the Jeff Hardy v X-Pac match for the Light Heavyweight Championship.
Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
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It's an odd way to build a Mania feud to say the least where the two superstars involved are absent for 2 months of it. Not saying it can't be built that way but makes it rather clunky”
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It's an odd way to build a Mania feud to say the least where the two superstars involved are absent for 2 months of it. Not saying it can't be built that way but makes it rather clunky”
You have 3 big matches this year with Taker/Shane, Lesnar/Ambrose and Reigns/Triple H. Yet with just 3 Raw's left how many Raw's have we had the two wrestlers in those matches to promote it?
Shane appears one week then is off TV while Taker comes back the following week. Shane then comes back while Taker goes again. Lesnar has buggered off while Ambrose is to busy promoting a match at Roadblock...yet Lesnar appears at pointless house shows.
Then you have Reigns off TV with a 'injury' yet appearing at the same time promoting WM32.
Been a shitty way to build up the 3 main feuds so far.
Originally Posted by stu64:
“You have 3 big matches this year with Taker/Shane, Lesnar/Ambrose and Reigns/Triple H. Yet with just 3 Raw's left how many Raw's have we had the two wrestlers in those matches to promote it?
Shane appears one week then is off TV while Taker comes back the following week. Shane then comes back while Taker goes again. Lesnar has buggered off while Ambrose is to busy promoting a match at Roadblock...yet Lesnar appears at pointless house shows.
Then you have Reigns off TV with a 'injury' yet appearing at the same time promoting WM32.
Been a shitty way to build up the 3 main feuds so far.”
“You have 3 big matches this year with Taker/Shane, Lesnar/Ambrose and Reigns/Triple H. Yet with just 3 Raw's left how many Raw's have we had the two wrestlers in those matches to promote it?
Shane appears one week then is off TV while Taker comes back the following week. Shane then comes back while Taker goes again. Lesnar has buggered off while Ambrose is to busy promoting a match at Roadblock...yet Lesnar appears at pointless house shows.
Then you have Reigns off TV with a 'injury' yet appearing at the same time promoting WM32.
Been a shitty way to build up the 3 main feuds so far.”
The Lesnar house show appearances I don't get. From my understanding he has a limited number of appearances yet they seem to be having him on a fair few house shows which would all probably sell well anyway.
Or do they not count if they're not TV appearances?
I'd say on the Shane/Taker match at least it is being promoted weekly whereas it would be easy to forget the other two matches are even taking place.
Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“The Lesnar house show appearances I don't get. From my understanding he has a limited number of appearances yet they seem to be having him on a fair few house shows which would all probably sell well anyway.
Or do they not count if they're not TV appearances?
I'd say on the Shane/Taker match at least it is being promoted weekly whereas it would be easy to forget the other two matches are even taking place.”
“The Lesnar house show appearances I don't get. From my understanding he has a limited number of appearances yet they seem to be having him on a fair few house shows which would all probably sell well anyway.
Or do they not count if they're not TV appearances?
I'd say on the Shane/Taker match at least it is being promoted weekly whereas it would be easy to forget the other two matches are even taking place.”
Are we looking at another WM29 BFG?
Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“The Lesnar house show appearances I don't get. From my understanding he has a limited number of appearances yet they seem to be having him on a fair few house shows which would all probably sell well anyway.
Or do they not count if they're not TV appearances?”
“The Lesnar house show appearances I don't get. From my understanding he has a limited number of appearances yet they seem to be having him on a fair few house shows which would all probably sell well anyway.
Or do they not count if they're not TV appearances?”
Not sure but what I really get pissed at is that Lesnar has not wrestled on Raw in what over 10 years. Yet he has wrestled on how many house shows this year? He has fought (off the top of my head) Rusev, Del Rio, Harper and Sheamus all within the last 12 months.
So why not let him wrestle every now again on Raw? Also would love them to stop the Suplex City stuff now, it is 12 months old soon and watching the Harper match last night it was a complete carbon copy of all the over house show matches. Some offensive from the other guy but then 5 suplexes and a F5.
Originally Posted by COTTONHEAT:
“its only on at 8pm if its live from the UK or Europe”
“its only on at 8pm if its live from the UK or Europe”
Well yeah but over the years I got fed up with 1am or 2am starts, just wish it was on earlier at a suitable timeslot.
Originally Posted by stu64:
“Not sure but what I really get pissed at is that Lesnar has not wrestled on Raw in what over 10 years. Yet he has wrestled on how many house shows this year? He has fought (off the top of my head) Rusev, Del Rio, Harper and Sheamus all within the last 12 months.
So why not let him wrestle every now again on Raw? Also would love them to stop the Suplex City stuff now, it is 12 months old soon and watching the Harper match last night it was a complete carbon copy of all the over house show matches. Some offensive from the other guy but then 5 suplexes and a F5.”
“Not sure but what I really get pissed at is that Lesnar has not wrestled on Raw in what over 10 years. Yet he has wrestled on how many house shows this year? He has fought (off the top of my head) Rusev, Del Rio, Harper and Sheamus all within the last 12 months.
So why not let him wrestle every now again on Raw? Also would love them to stop the Suplex City stuff now, it is 12 months old soon and watching the Harper match last night it was a complete carbon copy of all the over house show matches. Some offensive from the other guy but then 5 suplexes and a F5.”
Problem here is that Suplex City is over with the fans. Brock's suplex city shirt with the name of the town on the shirt sells good numbers (apparently) and the crowd really get into Brock's suplexes, so don't think its going anywhere soon.
Originally Posted by ICT User 77:
“Are we looking at another WM29 BFG?”
“Are we looking at another WM29 BFG?”
Haha. Nope. The actual wrestling when we get to the night itself should be good enough but can't see it reaching the heights of Mania 30 or 31.
It needs some good booking - which isn't impossible.
But it'll be better than Mania 29. For one thing it doesn't have Swagger v Del Rio as a sodding World Title match!
Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“Haha. Nope. The actual wrestling when we get to the night itself should be good enough but can't see it reaching the heights of Mania 30 or 31.
It needs some good booking - which isn't impossible.
But it'll be better than Mania 29. For one thing it doesn't have Swagger v Del Rio as a sodding World Title match!”
“Haha. Nope. The actual wrestling when we get to the night itself should be good enough but can't see it reaching the heights of Mania 30 or 31.
It needs some good booking - which isn't impossible.
But it'll be better than Mania 29. For one thing it doesn't have Swagger v Del Rio as a sodding World Title match!”
Haha. It nearly had Braun Strowman in a main event match though.
And there's been worse Wrestlemanias than 29 too. Pretty sure WM11 which had Lawrence Taylor in the main event wasn't a great one. Lol
Originally Posted by ICT User 77:
“Problem here is that Suplex City is over with the fans. Brock's suplex city shirt with the name of the town on the shirt sells good numbers (apparently) and the crowd really get into Brock's suplexes, so don't think its going anywhere soon.”
“Problem here is that Suplex City is over with the fans. Brock's suplex city shirt with the name of the town on the shirt sells good numbers (apparently) and the crowd really get into Brock's suplexes, so don't think its going anywhere soon.”
Very true. Just Lesnar being such a beast and having so much power it just wasting his abilities. Plus he is actually very capable of doing so much more.
Before people jump on me about taking about movez lol I just would like to see more offence from Lesnar that is all
Originally Posted by ICT User 77:
“Haha. It nearly had Braun Strowman in a main event match though.
And there's been worse Wrestlemanias than 29 too. Pretty sure WM11 which had Lawrence Taylor in the main event wasn't a great one. Lol”
“Haha. It nearly had Braun Strowman in a main event match though.
And there's been worse Wrestlemanias than 29 too. Pretty sure WM11 which had Lawrence Taylor in the main event wasn't a great one. Lol”
Oh Mania 29 certainly isn't the worst ever agreed. But it was lifeless. And that World Title isn't one of the best - it even had a jobber entrance.
That's true on Strowman. But then we were told he was a ring general and would be doing Shootinf Star Presses and all sorts so it's our loss I guess.
Worst PPV of modern times? Obviously December to Dismember but I think if you remove Ziggler/Harper there's a strong case for TLC 2014. Awful gimmick matches,terrible match-ups and any matches that had potential were booked into oblivion.
Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“Oh Mania 29 certainly isn't the worst ever agreed. But it was lifeless. And that World Title isn't one of the best - it even had a jobber entrance.
That's true on Strowman. But then we were told he was a ring general and would be doing Shootinf Star Presses and all sorts so it's our loss I guess.
Worst PPV of modern times? Obviously December to Dismember but I think if you remove Ziggler/Harper there's a strong case for TLC 2014. Awful gimmick matches,terrible match-ups and any matches that had potential were booked into oblivion.”
“Oh Mania 29 certainly isn't the worst ever agreed. But it was lifeless. And that World Title isn't one of the best - it even had a jobber entrance.
That's true on Strowman. But then we were told he was a ring general and would be doing Shootinf Star Presses and all sorts so it's our loss I guess.
Worst PPV of modern times? Obviously December to Dismember but I think if you remove Ziggler/Harper there's a strong case for TLC 2014. Awful gimmick matches,terrible match-ups and any matches that had potential were booked into oblivion.”
What counts as modern times?
There's certainly a couple from 2003-4 that should be submitted if that's modern era.
But D2D was awful. One match announced before the show and he rest was just put together at the last minute.
And Kelly Kely and Ariel had a match (apparently).
Originally Posted by ICT User 77:
“What counts as modern times?
There's certainly a couple from 2003-4 that should be submitted if that's modern era.
But D2D was awful. One match announced before the show and he rest was just put together at the last minute.
And Kelly Kely and Ariel had a match (apparently).”
“What counts as modern times?
There's certainly a couple from 2003-4 that should be submitted if that's modern era.
But D2D was awful. One match announced before the show and he rest was just put together at the last minute.
And Kelly Kely and Ariel had a match (apparently).”
However long you want modern times to be. Maybe 2000 as a cut-off point. Not sure why.
The timing of that PPV didn't help - 2 bigger PPVs either side from memory.
Apparently Shane's original idea for the new ECW was for it to basically be what NXT is now.
What is the start time for this show tonight anyone? Assuming its two hours considering there are only 5 matches on the card, though I assume we may get a midcard match too. Zayn vs Miz maybe.
The problem with this year's WM is it will end on a flat note if it's Reigns cleanly pinning Triple H to win the world title. Everything is set up nicely regardless of who wins the other matches:
Jericho has been on great form after turning heel. They'll both probably be in a ladder match with Zayn, Miz, Ziggler, Owens and Neville. The talent there should make one hell of a match. Lesnar should bring the best out in Ambrose. McMahon/Taker will be a crazy Attitude Era throwback, complete with guest appearances. Likely the best women's match in WM, maybe WWE non NXT PPV, history. A big New Day entrance and toilet break second divas match to round up the show...
A double turn in the main event would rival the last two in giving a memorable ending. Can't see it happening though.
Jericho has been on great form after turning heel. They'll both probably be in a ladder match with Zayn, Miz, Ziggler, Owens and Neville. The talent there should make one hell of a match. Lesnar should bring the best out in Ambrose. McMahon/Taker will be a crazy Attitude Era throwback, complete with guest appearances. Likely the best women's match in WM, maybe WWE non NXT PPV, history. A big New Day entrance and toilet break second divas match to round up the show...
A double turn in the main event would rival the last two in giving a memorable ending. Can't see it happening though.
Originally Posted by BFGArmy:
“However long you want modern times to be. Maybe 2000 as a cut-off point. Not sure why.
The timing of that PPV didn't help - 2 bigger PPVs either side from memory.
Apparently Shane's original idea for the new ECW was for it to basically be what NXT is now.”
“However long you want modern times to be. Maybe 2000 as a cut-off point. Not sure why.
The timing of that PPV didn't help - 2 bigger PPVs either side from memory.
Apparently Shane's original idea for the new ECW was for it to basically be what NXT is now.”
Then Great American Bash 2004 has to go in there, simply for the poor card and main event and for the whole concrete thing which was stupid.
Also Badd Blood 2003, for the not really exciting HHH v Nash main event and the fact that Austin and Bischoff had a redneck triathlon all the way through the show.
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“What is the start time for this show tonight anyone? Assuming its two hours considering there are only 5 matches on the card, though I assume we may get a midcard match too. Zayn vs Miz maybe.”
“What is the start time for this show tonight anyone? Assuming its two hours considering there are only 5 matches on the card, though I assume we may get a midcard match too. Zayn vs Miz maybe.”
1am UK time.
Originally Posted by ICT User 77:
“1am UK time.”
“1am UK time.”
Cheers.
Also, just found the new best promo in the business:
https://twitter.com/zunguzungu/statu...02811156918272
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“But Vince isn't actually saying anything is he? Dave Meltzer is saying that Vince is saying. The title of the article is "Vince McMahon doesn't see NXT as a money brand". I probably should have read the whole thinge but when I saw it's another Meltzer says Vince says he hates NXT article, I tend not to bother because it's just Meltzer pandering to what people want to believe anyway.
For what its worth, watching NXT I don't believe there is all that many money guys. You have a couple but I can't personally see the future main eventers to a level that a main eventer should be with the exception of a couple.”
“But Vince isn't actually saying anything is he? Dave Meltzer is saying that Vince is saying. The title of the article is "Vince McMahon doesn't see NXT as a money brand". I probably should have read the whole thinge but when I saw it's another Meltzer says Vince says he hates NXT article, I tend not to bother because it's just Meltzer pandering to what people want to believe anyway.
For what its worth, watching NXT I don't believe there is all that many money guys. You have a couple but I can't personally see the future main eventers to a level that a main eventer should be with the exception of a couple.”
Before commenting? Yeah you probably should've.
Originally Posted by dellzincht:
“Before commenting? Yeah you probably should've.”
“Before commenting? Yeah you probably should've.”
I commented on title of the article and then in my response to you spoke on the content.
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“But Vince isn't actually saying anything is he? Dave Meltzer is saying that Vince is saying. The title of the article is "Vince McMahon doesn't see NXT as a money brand". I probably should have read the whole thinge but when I saw it's another Meltzer says Vince says he hates NXT article, I tend not to bother because it's just Meltzer pandering to what people want to believe anyway.
For what its worth, watching NXT I don't believe there is all that many money guys. You have a couple but I can't personally see the future main eventers to a level that a main eventer should be with the exception of a couple.”
“But Vince isn't actually saying anything is he? Dave Meltzer is saying that Vince is saying. The title of the article is "Vince McMahon doesn't see NXT as a money brand". I probably should have read the whole thinge but when I saw it's another Meltzer says Vince says he hates NXT article, I tend not to bother because it's just Meltzer pandering to what people want to believe anyway.
For what its worth, watching NXT I don't believe there is all that many money guys. You have a couple but I can't personally see the future main eventers to a level that a main eventer should be with the exception of a couple.”
I don't really think that's a thing.
Originally Posted by Hollie_Louise:
“Loving the Joe vs Zayn match from NXT”
“Loving the Joe vs Zayn match from NXT”
Wasn't really feeling it at all tbh. Joe is an absolute shadow of his former self - it makes me sad to see all the WWE marks going nuts over him when they probably haven't even seen any of his best work from 10 years ago
Zayn is great and could put on an amazing Iron Man match with somebody else in their prime but Joe just doesn't have that stamina any more.
Unbreakable 2005: Joe vs. Styles vs. Daniels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U28pyOAMXcI
One of the greatest matches of all-time. This is the real Samoa Joe.
Originally Posted by dave_windows:
“Well yeah but over the years I got fed up with 1am or 2am starts, just wish it was on earlier at a suitable timeslot.”
“Well yeah but over the years I got fed up with 1am or 2am starts, just wish it was on earlier at a suitable timeslot.”
I still don't understand this argument.
The Network is 24/7.
You can watch Roadblock any time you want.
Why is its start time relevant unless you're staying up to post about it live on here? And if you're the sort of person who does that, it's start time is probably irrelevant as you're obviously a huge fan...
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