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I'm excited for the Shane match and I don't really care who wins. It's the main event for me because I don't care about Roman Reigns winning amongst a deafening wall of boos ... and even the Lesnar match is going to be a bit shit.
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Why do you think that?
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Cause Ambrose isn't as good as any of Brock's previous opponents.
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That wouldn't stop it from being a good match though? Yes the result if he were to win would cause some controversy, but to write the match off already is nonsense
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To be fair we don't "know" that. We know that he has been contracted to work from now to Wrestlemania, and the dirtsheets have suggested what happens after that is up in the air.
Storyline purposes kinda wish it had been someone else Shane fights. |
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Unless he puts someone in charge to run the show....What is Daniel Bryan up to?
We're overdue a face GM. Shane should be there on RAW the next two weeks convincing us that he has a plan, both to win, and for what happens after. Because without that the whole match looks like a no-contest.Quote:
It probably looked like a house show because it was a supposed to be a house show. They had a house show in Canada the night before, why transport that set plus the full TV set?
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Cause Ambrose isn't as good as any of Brock's previous opponents.
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Some of the most popular acts are nobodies?
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I have general issues with the lack of effort put into WWE sets nowadays. Only Wrestlemania has any effort put into it. It just adds to the general bland air of the product and the lack of "specialness" in current WWE.
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It would be nice to see WWE try some new sets for their PPV shows. The old WCW shows like Halloween Havoc were fairly cool and made the show feel different.
The Raw set is fairly bland and is probably due a revamp. |
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I hear Mick Foley is returning tonight to start his storyline for Wrestlemania.
With Taker, Shane & Brock in the house it wouldnt suprise me if he ends up Refereeing the Hell in a Cell match. |
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Loved this response from Kevin Owens to somebody's question on twitter
@FightOwensFight If you could wrestle anyone dead or alive, who would it be? Dead guy. I’d win swiftly and easily. ![]()
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If Mick Foley ends up being the ref it will take away much of the story of the match and rather than worry about the outcome most people will just sit and wait to see who Mick turns on because that would be the whole point of him in there, there's no point putting him in there if he's just gonna be fair and since Mick is no longer an active peformer or even a part of this storyline, the story after the match shouldn't be who Mick went against at the end.
Although it would be nice to see one last big bump from Mick and see him try to help Shane only for Undertaker to throw him off it again lol. I do think someone will come off the top of it someway somehow and what i find funny is that most people online don't even care if Shane or Undertaker are in the right shape for taking a big bump, they just want to see it lol. I suppose Mick could play into it in a way that he wants to see the young guys get their shot and he tries to get involved and help Shane for the greater good but i think either way the match needs everything in WWE's bag of tricks, it can't be a clean finish but in order for people to believe in the finish they need to try and get the rest of the roster involved in the story and at least have them be concerned about the outcome of the match so that when any interference does happen it makes sense to the audience at home why they are getting involved. |
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IMO Ambrose has a similar problem to Bryan in terms of his long term career - he has to basically kill himself to make his offence look effective.
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I know there's a lot of talent in NXT and lots of potential. But as the promotions to RAW have generally shown, most of these acts and performers are not ready for the big time.
It would be pretty hard to convince anyone that the likes of Tyler Breeze got a fair crack of the whip.
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Loving the Joe vs Zayn match from NXT
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I also hope Enzo and Cass are not on Roadblock to help bring them to the main roster as I just don't find either of them any good.
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I think in Bryan's case, it's a mentality thing. He's far, far better than Dean Ambrose and could easily have busted out a load of submissions and strikes that are far more believable as painful moves than anything Ambrose has in his repertoire. Ambrose hasn't got the intensity that Bryan had and his whole lunatic shtick is more like bad comedy than the dangerous character he should be.
It would be pretty hard to convince anyone that the likes of Tyler Breeze got a fair crack of the whip. And yes, I agree many NXT acts didn't get a decent shot. The mentality seems to have been to put them out there and watch them fail. Of course they weren't going to get huge cheers immediately when they were brand new to the RAW crowd. That shouldn't have been used as an excuse to pull them off TV or start jobbing them after only a few weeks. I do stand by my point though that at present, Zayn, Enzo & Cass are 'nobodies' to a mainstream WWE audience. |
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If Mick Foley ends up being the ref it will take away much of the story of the match and rather than worry about the outcome most people will just sit and wait to see who Mick turns on because that would be the whole point of him in there, there's no point putting him in there if he's just gonna be fair and since Mick is no longer an active peformer or even a part of this storyline, the story after the match shouldn't be who Mick went against at the end.
Although it would be nice to see one last big bump from Mick and see him try to help Shane only for Undertaker to throw him off it again lol. I do think someone will come off the top of it someway somehow and what i find funny is that most people online don't even care if Shane or Undertaker are in the right shape for taking a big bump, they just want to see it lol. I suppose Mick could play into it in a way that he wants to see the young guys get their shot and he tries to get involved and help Shane for the greater good but i think either way the match needs everything in WWE's bag of tricks, it can't be a clean finish but in order for people to believe in the finish they need to try and get the rest of the roster involved in the story and at least have them be concerned about the outcome of the match so that when any interference does happen it makes sense to the audience at home why they are getting involved. ![]() Realistically, the only person who'll be taking a big bump in the match is Shane. WWE were stung badly by the publicity surrounding Foley's crazy bumps in the past and the damage he sustained. Taker is an old broken down guy with his future quality of life to worry about. Shane on the other hand is *relatively* young and fit, and best of all, guaranteed not to sue!
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I do think something special could be done. I did notice in video packages for this match and I think the last Cell match too they don't seem to mind showing all the things that's happened in the past in the matches and I'm not suggesting they recreate everything but if they don't mind showing old clips in video packages now then they might not be against doing violent things in this match.
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All great points. Bryan could have reinvented his style much like AJ Styles did. Sadly for Bryan it looks like it was already too late. I didn't mean to compare Bryan and Ambrose in terms of quality! Just to point out that if we're expected to accept Ambrose as a threat just because he'll take big bumps to hurt his opponents, well, that will limit his career in the end.
And yes, I agree many NXT acts didn't get a decent shot. The mentality seems to have been to put them out there and watch them fail. Of course they weren't going to get huge cheers immediately when they were brand new to the RAW crowd. That shouldn't have been used as an excuse to pull them off TV or start jobbing them after only a few weeks. I do stand by my point though that at present, Zayn, Enzo & Cass are 'nobodies' to a mainstream WWE audience. But the likes of Breeze etc. we're given nothing. I know it's a goofy gimmick and so on but he's a solid wrestler and a potentially good character as well. We all know the sort of person who takes loads of vain selfies to plaster all over their social media accounts. That's a perfect heel gimmick for this generation with potential for good comedy too. I mean, they're putting the Godfather into the Hall of Fame! With some care and attention, comic characters can get over perfectly well. Breeze was just thrown to the wolves. |
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All great points. Bryan could have reinvented his style much like AJ Styles did. Sadly for Bryan it looks like it was already too late. I didn't mean to compare Bryan and Ambrose in terms of quality! Just to point out that if we're expected to accept Ambrose as a threat just because he'll take big bumps to hurt his opponents, well, that will limit his career in the end.
And yes, I agree many NXT acts didn't get a decent shot. The mentality seems to have been to put them out there and watch them fail. Of course they weren't going to get huge cheers immediately when they were brand new to the RAW crowd. That shouldn't have been used as an excuse to pull them off TV or start jobbing them after only a few weeks. I do stand by my point though that at present, Zayn, Enzo & Cass are 'nobodies' to a mainstream WWE audience. I think this is where many people in the IWC not only get upset but they're kind of hit in the face with reality a little bit and they don't like. They don't like the NXT guys going to Raw and them not being over right away. They don't like the Raw crowds not playing along like the NXT crowd does and last but not least, they expect them to get over on wrestling alone which will not work on the main roster and the WWE has treated their main roster badly for years now, WWE is very guilty of filling Raw with nothing but matches and talking and very little else but if you look at the people that ARE over, which isn't many, they are over because they do far more than just wrestle matches. The NXT crowd is more than happy to want their favourites to do nothing but wrestle in matches and they seem to know but not want to accept why those acts don't get over. It's a catch 22 for them, they want wrestling to be a certain way but they know deep down that WWE wrestling works a certain way and the people that watch the main roster expect certain things, despite WWE failing to deliver that kind of product to them, they still expect it and it's the way things have worked for a very long time and the reason it has worked for a very long time is that pro wrestling with no characters, no storylines and no purpose does not sell well or attract much interest. Not in a live setting, not at home with viewers and not in a PPV setting. That's the main reason why the NXT acts flop. It's nothing to do with their styles or their inring wrestling, it's to do with most people not knowing who they are or what they are about and having no reason to care about them and the sad thing is, 3/4 of the main roster is that way too so the fans are already in a state of mind where they only care about certain wrestlers anyway, introducing more wrestlers that they don't know or know nothing about isn't gonna help things. |
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The whole point of booking is to make them seem like they're no nobodies, which they aren't doing a bad job with Zayn in fairness. He was put into a big feud immediately upon his main roster debut and already has high profile cameos at the Rumble and against Cena last year.
But the likes of Breeze etc. we're given nothing. I know it's a goofy gimmick and so on but he's a solid wrestler and a potentially good character as well. We all know the sort of person who takes loads of vain selfies to plaster all over their social media accounts. That's a perfect heel gimmick for this generation with potential for good comedy too. I mean, they're putting the Godfather into the Hall of Fame! With some care and attention, comic characters can get over perfectly well. Breeze was just thrown to the wolves. |
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Love that a post with the title "HAHA TNA GETS BURIED" comes from an account called "deathtosmarks". You couldn't make it up.
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Just find that all a bit tacky and that Edge and Christian show is absolutely awful and I'd put it up there as their worst Network original series.
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Just find that all a bit tacky and that Edge and Christian show is absolutely awful and I'd put it up there as their worst Network original series.
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WWE have announced on their website Jacqueline is the next inductee into the HOF this year.
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We're overdue a face GM. Shane should be there on RAW the next two weeks convincing us that he has a plan, both to win, and for what happens after. Because without that the whole match looks like a no-contest.


