Yeah, but from a booking point of view the faces can't win all the time. Reigns is gonna need challengers for after Mania so they need to get building soon.

Also, I read something there (not sure if it was mentioned) saying that Nikki Bella was supposed to be the one to come out for the second divas match but she's still not able to take bumps. Apparently she's been told that she can't go back to wrestling full time ever again.

yeah it seemed set up for nikki

as for rollins. he was a great heel. weird comment

Aw, I thought Rollins was a crap heel. His promos made me want to change the channel and he flies about like a cruiserweight babyface in his matches.

I think the last good heel we had was Jericho back in 08/09. He played the role perfectly and gained lots of heat. He also carried his heel persona in real life as well.

Saying that Vickie Guerrero got major heat for the last run she had.

Reigns could be such a great heel if they ever bloody take the chance and go with it. He is being booed already so just run with it. How hard is it? Ambrose is super over so god knows why they did not have Reigns screw him at fast lane or before then ect.

vickie real heat LOL

Rollins is a fantastic heel. Plays the role brilliant and IMO his title run is pretty underrated.

Don't agree what so ever that WWE heels just aren't good enough at what they do. The likes of Owens, Banks, Joe, Rollins, Wyatt, Dash/Dawson etc (in particular Owens who is an absolutely outstanding heel) all play the role brilliantly for the most part. Certain others are also let down by the booking which isn't their fault what so ever.

You can also throw in people like Charlotte (been ten times better as a heel since she turned on the main roster) and Corbin (his indy/IWC hate is fantastic) too. Since Jericho turned on Styles it's the best he's been in years upon years too, it felt quite samey at first but once the turn came he's been absolutely brilliant. You can easily pinpoint people like Barrett too who got over a ridiculous gimmick (Bad News) but was completely let down by the company wasting him.

There's plenty of quality heels, quite a few of them are often let down by the booking, not because they aren't good enough at playing the heel.

Why buy a ticket then? Whats the point in shitting on the main event because you dont think Roman earned his shot when he obviously did. just piss off before the main event starts and let others enjoy it.


Hes a terrible wrestler, too overpushed because Vince loves these 7 foot monsters.


Why because older people want faces to win and heels to lose?

Maybe thats all down to people thinking murder and rapists are cool because they love the villains in shows/films. Its a new low when they support murderers like Joker, Luthor and dont cheer Superman or batman. They wouldnt pull that shit if it was Adam West or Christopher Reeve playing the hero.

As Vince McMahon would say " WHERE THE HELL ARE THEIR VALUES!"

THIS x1000

I read an interview with Rockstar Spud recently who, regardless of what you may think of him, plays the heel brilliantly. He said that there are so few good heels in the business because everyone wants to get in all their cool moves, everyone wants to get some sort of pop.

Genuine heels, who could get the crowd to absolutely despise them, are so few and far between. Bully Ray's run in TNA was an example of how a heel should be, in the ring and out of it. Absolutely nuclear heat.

I think Rollins is a fantastic talent. But, and let's be honest here, he got cheered more than he ever got booed. And here we are calling him a great heel?! Be serious.

Yes because fans actually dispised her and didnt want her on TV. The booing seemed more we dont want you on TV rather than booing because your a heel.


There used to be a time when the Royal Rumble (minus 1992) was all about the faces winning to get that Title shot for Wrestlemania against the Heel Champion and King of the Ring seemed more (except 1993) being a heel win tournament.

As for booking new challengers for Roman do we know Hunter feud is ending at Mania or will it be the usual thing Hunter wins but loses the title at the April PPV? Knowing WWE they will just squash the Roman run when Rollins is back and give him another boring lengthy title run. Summerslam will probably be Boring Strowman vs Roman.

Even now when he had both titles made no sense because of some chat show celeb not wanting Cena to tie Flairs record. That was just a shitty storyline they didnt think through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHaGqxQJ5f4

This was the final segment of the Smackdown before Wrestlemania XX. Unbelievable how much more effort was put in by creative and this wasn't even near WWE at their peak.

You do have to wonder if WWE Management even watch their own product?.I seem to remember reading that WWE Management were surprised by the crowd reaction when Daniel Bryan was eliminated early in the 2015 Royal Rumble.

I'd be shocked if Meltzer hasn't got wrong info in this case. Even more so considering Eva was clearly playing it up in a heel way on the night. I'd expect she'll either get the pin on Sunday or turn on her team mates. If she does turn on them don't be surprised to see these same dirt sheets pull the "The WWE realised how wrong they were after the Raw reaction and so changed their minds". It's clear that was planned on Raw and they didn't expect a huge face reaction.

yeah rollins was quality. just like hbk you can be heel and cool

jericho however has been terrible. i think you WANT to like him as a heel rather than actually like him.


thats the opposite of real heat in my book


lol bore off with your TNA is so good stuff

bully ray promo were friggen boring. fast fwd fodder

and spud a great heel lol. he was a comedy character.low card heel

be serious.

A heel's job is to draw heat - yes or no?

Who drew more heat - Bully Ray or Rollins?

Forget about the promotion. Forget about their in-ring work. Who drew the most heat? That is all we are debating here.

Let's not forget that Bully Ray at the peak of that run was widely regarded as one of the top heels in the business. This isn't a rare opinion I happen to hold - this was a run that saw him in the top 5 on the PWI 500.

PWI 500

oh my

its still real to me dammit

It can be tied to the NXT talent being put over constantly and the internet darlings not getting over due to "the man".

I think the truth of it really comes down to casual fans just not watching or going to see wrestling anymore. The live crowds are made up of adult smarks and families. There are no casual fans. For many of the younger fans watching today that are hearing these words like heel and face and all these terms, they've only grew up on post 2000s WWE and TNA. They are conditioned to think the WWE way is the right way, the truth is they don't know what a real heel is and what a real good babyface is, they don't know what a real pop sounds like or what a real good match is. That's why everyone has a great match. Every match on Raw is a great match but longterm wrestling fans who have seen good wrestling can poke holes all over the psychology of any match you see today and show you why they don't make sense, spots that don't make sense, devastating moves that are hit throughout the match yet there is no selling and the finish is usually a cheap finish despite the person losing having been hit with moves that would have finished them off had they known how to lay a match out.

I also think many longterm wrestling fans over the years just got beaten down by what was given to them on TV everyweek that they lowered their own standards, fans that should know better, that have seen wrestling at it's best and seen the best wrestlers in the world in their prime all of a sudden have had their expectations lowered for so long that any glimpse of someone getting over or someone getting a little bit of heat they praise them instantly. They are too quick to praise wrestlers, too quick to celebrate anything that shows signs of being a little bit good, the New Day is a perfect example of something the IWC jumped on at the start but of course within a matter of months the WWE had ran it into the ground and it no longer became cool and it's never been cool since. On Raw from what I hear there was a hijacking of a tag team match by the live crowd, that alone tells you about the people in that ring and whether they are really over or not.


You have people that are too young to know any better, that don't know good wrestling, that have never sat and watched a good wrestling show week to week and then you have people that do know better but have deliberately been forced to lower their expectations that are so desperate to grasp onto anything decent because there is so much rubbish on the show that whatever and whoever they latch onto quickly loses any sparkle that was there and there is very few people that are willing to say, outside the business and inside it, from fans to workers who are willing to step up and say you know what, business is terrible, wrestling is terrible. we deserve better than this and we deserve better than this every week and the longer that goes on the longer these wrestling companies will give you a subpar effort every week. They should be giving you the best show they can every week, not once every few months or whenever they hit the panic button, it should be every week.

all this is 100% true and anyone who dares deny it is deluded.

Who drew more heat?

The fact you refuse to answer that question tells me everything.

considering rollins in arena of thousands and tna infront of hundreds i would say more people booed rollins

also fact you think all heels must be same and universally hated shows me you must be new to business or take all your opinions from internet.

google a wrestler called hulk hogan. then in google type in heel turn.

by your standards hes not a heel in nwo though.......

Seth Rollins is better in the ring than Bully Ray but Bully was a much better character. I don't even see how this is controversial. Rollins is a horrible promo.


Lol, you always turn to childish insults when anyone disagrees with you. It's hilarious that you're using the internet opinion talking point though when you're the one sticking up for the smark darling who does loads of flippy moves.

listen to yourself fmkk, he does babyface moves...wtf is wrong with you? are you a booker? are you an agent? very geeky comment to make.

also you like raw 6 man tags yet think you know what makes for good tv...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

What does this even mean?

lol speak to ya tommrow.