Honestly I go away for a few hours and you all start bitching at each other.
With some exemptions to be fair, honestly is there any need to call other posters delusional, telling them to bore off or that they must be "new to the business" and calling superstars 'indy darlings'?
The only surprise is that we didn't get 'vanilla midget' and 'IWC' in there for the full bingo house.
On Rollins, I have no intention of getting into an argument if his in-ring style is 'right' or 'wrong' and of course everyone is allowed their own view. I just find his matches and him as a superstar very entertaining.
And would add that even before having seen a match of his in WWE, I very well knew how good an in-ring performer he was meant to be along with some of the other ROH superstars from around that time like Bryan Danielson,Nigel McGuinness, Austin Aries (even without having seen ROH or NXT).
And for any faults, the guy did win the Slammy for Superstar of the Year last year so he obviously did something right.
And before we get into 'well how does that make him a good heel' - Chris Jericho won it in 2008 too back when he was heel and he was brilliant around then.
Anyway, I think the whole 'is X a good heel' thing is slightly redundant these days. Fans more than ever now will cheer who they like whether they be face or heel.
Lesnar was significantly cheered when a heel and often during Owens matches you get crowds chanting 'Fight Owens Fight' despite both being heels and not exactly doing anything face. Doesn't mean they aren't both good heels.
Fans have ended up turning Orton face not once but twice and he's clearly a good heel.
Another example is the Steph/Brie feud a couple of years ago. Steph totally the bitch we all (well some of us) know and love in that feud yet the fans were cheering her on. And I don't think we can argue that when Steph really tries that she isn't a good heel (I'm not including the 'belittling people' thing in there as that's a totally different argument that I have no intention of joining into).
Originally Posted by DejaVoodoo:
“She's working hard to get better, but she's not improving in the ring. Some people just aren't inring performers.
She gets heat, but not money drawing heat. She has go away heat. With WWE allegedly rebranding the divas division, you would think they'll be a focus on going with better inring talent and the Eva Marie's and Alicia Fox's just can't work at that level.”
Bit harsh on Alicia for me. She's pretty competent in-ring these days and her Northern Lights Suplex is one of the most watchable moves in WWE.
Certainly I'd rate Alicia over a few of the other Divas.
And of course she and Melina were involved in the best match of all time according to Cameron. And who are we to doubt Cameron?