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Miss XYZ
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by asyousay:
“Well why would it say the managers name and then in the next sentence say the drivers name has not been released ?

Explain that logic please

ETA " to autopsy results, the "unidentified driver" was neither under the influence of drugs or alcohol, nor asleep at the wheel of the car'”

There were 5 people in the car - the 4 band members, and their manager. There wasn't an additional driver. One of those 5 people was driving but we the public do not know who, as that information has not yet been released by police.

Originally Posted by evie71:
“Can you post a link or is that not allowed on here?”

Sorry, only just seen this. I'm not sure if we're allowed to post links to other forums so I won't just in case, but if you google Flashback forum it'll be easy to find. It should be first in the results. It's a Swedish forum so you'll have to translate it (unless you're fluent in Swedish!). Scroll down to the Society section of the forum, then click on Accidents and Disasters, and the thread is in that section. It's over 200 pages long now.
AnnieBaker
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by johnny_t:
“What's not particularly clear, as there seems to be conflicting language used, but did he pull up behind the line of traffic, then move into the hard shoulder and scream along the outside, or did he come up quickly behind the line of traffic and then change lanes at the last minute to avoid them.

The second scenario could imply mechanical or system failure. The first, not so much...”

From the description in the Daily Mail article, it sounds like he was going to pull up behind the other cars, but decided to skip the queue and just try to cross the bridge despite all the warning lights. Maybe it was hard to see the danger in the dark and he assumed the road ahead was clear.

Driving along the hard shoulder at high speed, no seat belts, crashing through barriers ... it is surprising he was not on some sort of drugs with that sort of behaviour, in a rental car in a foreign country as well.

"The car was clearly speeding but did not appear out of control.

The key witness, Kent Uddén, 49, who was sitting in his grey Saab at the front of the queue when Viola Beach's Nissan shot past, told MailOnline: 'Nobody could have mistaken the hard shoulder for a lane. It was too narrow. I was astonished that the guy didn't hit my car or the kerb.

'This guy managed in some way to manoeuvre his car at high speed in a narrow area. You need to be a really good driver to pass that space without hitting anything.
'It was really scary how he did it. It was at such high speed that I could feel my car vibrate as he shot past. He came so close. It felt really bad, really dangerous, for sure.'"
asyousay
15-03-2016
The sad thing is nobody will ever know what happened as everybody is now dead.

But from the outside looking in it looks deliberate as the driver had warnings yet just drove on. That's not normal behavior to not even break or anything when he hits the first barrier.
karapote monkey
15-03-2016
Maybe the driver thought that the que wasn't that big and thought he could make it across to the other side but misjudged how the bridge was raised and the speed it was raised.
Electra
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by karapote monkey:
“Maybe the driver thought that the que wasn't that big and thought he could make it across to the other side but misjudged how the bridge was raised and the speed it was raised.”

I think that could probably be it. They were on a high after their first, successful, foreign gig & maybe they felt invincible. Unfortunately, what the driver seems to have attempted only works in films & console games.
BellaRosa
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by Electra:
“It just gets worse

EXCLUSIVE - What REALLY happened in Viola Beach death crash: How police 'ignored' TWO emergency calls, the band members were NOT wearing seatbelts and why the driver didn't stop after smashing through barrier
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-one-hour.html”

Totally heartbreaking. Sadly we will never know the truth.

I found it odd that the airbags never can out?
johnny_t
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by BellaRosa:
“Totally heartbreaking. Sadly we will never know the truth.

I found it odd that the airbags never can out?”

I believe it is because the airbags work off impacts around the bumpers, sides, etc., whereas this just sliced the roof off, in the first instance....
Electra
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by BellaRosa:
“Totally heartbreaking. Sadly we will never know the truth.

I found it odd that the airbags never can out?”

I don't think airbags would have made any difference, sadly.
evie71
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by Miss XYZ:
“There were 5 people in the car - the 4 band members, and their manager. There wasn't an additional driver. One of those 5 people was driving but we the public do not know who, as that information has not yet been released by police.



Sorry, only just seen this. I'm not sure if we're allowed to post links to other forums so I won't just in case, but if you google Flashback forum it'll be easy to find. It should be first in the results. It's a Swedish forum so you'll have to translate it (unless you're fluent in Swedish!). Scroll down to the Society section of the forum, then click on Accidents and Disasters, and the thread is in that section. It's over 200 pages long now.”

Thank you missxyz, really appreciate your reply. Have a free evening so shall have a look then.
asyousay
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by karapote monkey:
“Maybe the driver thought that the que wasn't that big and thought he could make it across to the other side but misjudged how the bridge was raised and the speed it was raised.”

Nobody would take that kind of a risk when you had two lines that had all stopped. And then hit the first barrier and still continued on.
stvn758
15-03-2016
It's a rare type of bridge, we have seen how idiotic people are in this country at train crossings with the barriers down in broad daylight.

I think they didn't realise the bridge was literally above them and thought they'd just drive through the traffic.
Shoe Lace
15-03-2016
What I don't get is that the DM claims there is a "key" witness - the driver of the first car in the queue who apparently saw the whole thing. And yet, the first call to the emergency services was made nearly 15 minutes after the crash? That makes zero sense. Wouldn't you call the police immediately if you saw a car drive through barriers, crash into a bridge and disappear from sight?
asyousay
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by Shoe Lace:
“What I don't get is that the DM claims there is a "key" witness - the driver of the first car in the queue who apparently saw the whole thing. And yet, the first call to the emergency services was made nearly 15 minutes after the crash? That makes zero sense. Wouldn't you call the police immediately if you saw a car drive through barriers, crash into a bridge and disappear from sight?”

If it's the same guy from the video he assumed it had been reported and was shocked it had not been when he ring up.
wear thefoxhat
15-03-2016
Police are investigating whether the cruise control became jammed, such a sad loss.
pete137
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by wear thefoxhat:
“Police are investigating whether the cruise control became jammed, such a sad loss.”

But the car pulled up and stopped behind traffic at first, and then purposely moved into the hard shoulder and sped onwards towards the bridge. This was deliberate.
LaVieEnRose
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by Electra:
“Police now saying the theory is that the driver was inattentive, rather than it being deliberate
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...swedish-police”

Originally Posted by pete137:
“The Swedish police sound like clowns, contradicting what they themselves have said, as well as eye witness testimonys.”

Originally Posted by pete137:
“But the car pulled up and stopped behind traffic at first, and then purposely moved into the hard shoulder and sped onwards towards the bridge. This was deliberate.”

I think when the Swedish officer originally used the word deliberate, it was taken to mean suicidal, and that was probably not what he meant. There may be nuances lost in translation here.

It certainly looks as though the driver did deliberately move over to the hard shoulder and pass the waiting traffic. Why he did this is a matter for speculation, but if there was any kind of mechanical failure no doubt it will come out.
dylan99
15-03-2016
And if the cruise control jammed, or the car suddenly powered forward, it seems there was time to try turning of engine, pulling handbrake, or slowing by hitting something. Can't see how we can get answers about why, very mysterious case.
pete137
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by dylan99:
“And if the cruise control jammed, or the car suddenly powered forward, it seems there was time to try turning of engine, pulling handbrake, or slowing by hitting something. Can't see how we can get answers about why, very mysterious case.”

Yes I agree. They had already smashed through a barrier and still did nothing. There would have been time to stop the engine or pull the handbrake.
AnnieBaker
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by pete137:
“But the car pulled up and stopped behind traffic at first, and then purposely moved into the hard shoulder and sped onwards towards the bridge. This was deliberate.”


I agree, as the witness said, the driver clearly knew how to handle a car. He was a good driver who managed to drive through a very narrow space at high speed.

If there had been something wrong with the car, I think he would have tried to do something about it rather than just sit behind the wheel.

The only thing which makes sense is that visibility was poor (snow) and he assumed the bridge was safe to cross. Just like when the barriers at a train crossing stay down for what seems like ages after the train has passed, he might have been in a rush.
Galaxy266
15-03-2016
When this accident originally happened my first thought was that someone had fallen asleep. I posted similar in this thread at an earlier time.

However, having now read many of the reports which have subsequently appeared it's now quite clear that this wasn't the case at all.

I really don't know what to think now. I somehow can't believe this was a deliberate act yet, at the same time, virtually everything that's been reported does suggest that it may-well have been.

A fault with the cruise control is a possibility. However, I always thought these were fail-safe, several times over.

As I say, now I don't know what to think. They may never find the answer.
solare
15-03-2016
I'm not convinced at all that it was a deliberate act. What kind of a mental state would someone have to be in to decide, on the spur of the moment, to take their own life and four of their closest friends.

I find the theory proposed by the Swedish investigator in this article far more plausible. He suggests that the driver was initially distracted as he approached the queue of cars, swerved to avoid them at high speed, hit the first barrier after which he was possibly knocked unconscious or the windscreen was so badly damaged that he couldn't see the second barrier and the open bridge.
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-03-10/v...-deliberately/
SaddlerSteve
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by solare:
“I'm not convinced at all that it was a deliberate act. What kind of a mental state would someone have to be in to decide, on the spur of the moment, to take their own life and four of their closest friends.

I find the theory proposed by the Swedish investigator in this article far more plausible. He suggests that the driver was initially distracted as he approached the queue of cars, swerved to avoid them at high speed, hit the first barrier after which he was possibly knocked unconscious or the windscreen was so badly damaged that he couldn't see the second barrier and the open bridge.
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-03-10/v...-deliberately/”

Whatever led them to drive through the first barrier, it's possible once they'd gone through it they believed they were on a bridge was was about to raise and needed to get over as soon as possible. In the dark and making a split second decision they may have mistakenly thought the 2nd barrier they could see ahead was the other side of the bridge.
Relly
15-03-2016
The more I read about this, the more I'm thinking about the "several drunk passengers and sober driver" aspect of it.

Anyone who's been sober around hyper & drunken young people will know they can be hard to handle for a driver. That's not to say I'm attaching any blame to anyone - I'm certainly not. Even loud, drunken singing or one of those drunken disagreements can be distracting - for example, let's call a driver Dave, for the sake of my example, and the poor devil has to drive three mates home from the pub:

"Isn't it, Dave? You agree, don't you, Dave? Dave? *prod in shoulder* Dave, he said X and I think Y, but it's impossible, and he's a knob.... Dave? *prod* You're a miserable sod, you are! *launches into an Adele song.* ... *front passenger launches playful punch towards the misguided singer... " etc.

So the driver was distracted, in a foreign road system, poor visibility, can't wait to get to the hotel so he can have a drink too, etc etc. Just a terrible, awful, set of circumstances to happen.

I remember going along on a coach trip with my ex-husband many, many years ago when he had to collect a group of men from Blackpool at midnight. It was horrendous. They demanded stops every 20 minutes for a piddle, kept asking my ex the driver if he wanted a swig of "this 'ere vodka me mate brought" and so on. Add to that the good-natured, drunken hassle I got - well, I didn't do it again. They all thought I was the complimentary stripper thrown into the package by the coach company!

Well anyway, I thought I'd throw my thoughts in here, to see what anyone else thought of them. Don't shoot me!
LaVieEnRose
15-03-2016
Originally Posted by solare:
“I'm not convinced at all that it was a deliberate act. What kind of a mental state would someone have to be in to decide, on the spur of the moment, to take their own life and four of their closest friends.”

It could be deliberate without being suicidal. A catastrophic misreading of the road ahead, perhaps. It's quite likely that the driver was not familiar with this type of bridge.
pete137
16-03-2016
Originally Posted by LaVieEnRose:
“It could be deliberate without being suicidal. A catastrophic misreading of the road ahead, perhaps. It's quite likely that the driver was not familiar with this type of bridge.”

Once the driver smashed through the first barrier and did'nt stop, then all theories of "mistake" or "misjudgement" arent really plausable. Its reported that the driver was the manager, no drink or drugs in his system, and by all accounts a normal, level headed guy. There is no way he would purposely smash through a crash barrier causing huge damage to a brand new rental car in his name and insurance (we assume) and then not stop. Unless he could'nt or did'nt want to stop. We may never know. The theory of suicide (which leads to murder) certainly cant be discounted from the facts and evidence we have. Or it could just be a split second of "red mist" in an arguement where you dont really know what your doing. Of course no one wants to believe such a horrible theory could ever be true and understandably so.
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