Obtaining Manual for Granada Rental TV

Tolkny · 01-03-2016, 12:23

Might this still be possible?

My searching has not so far found a provider - do you have any advise.

The set must be over twenty years old & was obtained second hand probably after Granada stopped trading, though from the outside of the equipment I cannot see a TV equipment manufacturer's name, but have got a Granada reference number on the equipment and most of a model serial number on a label affixed.

Thanks if you can help.

Nigel Goodwin · 01-03-2016, 13:07

Do you mean a service manual?, or a user manual? - not much need for a user manual, and for a service manual you would need to find what make and model the set is (as Granada is most likely just a badge).

Tolkny · 01-03-2016, 13:28

I mean a User manual - I know it will have little use but I still want one if possible and not to much trouble or expense is involved.

I am grateful for the prompt response

oilman · 01-03-2016, 14:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tolkny

I mean a User manual - I know it will have little use but I still want one if possible and not to much trouble or expense is involved.

I am grateful for the prompt response

Obviously tv is analogue and cannot be used without attaching a freeview box or skybox etc.

If tv has scart input, I would just attach devices via that and then you would not have to tune anything - just set tv to use scart channel, and I am sure you can work out how to do that by just pressing menu buttons or source button etc.

Chasing Shadows · 01-03-2016, 14:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by oilman

Obviously tv is analogue and cannot be used without attaching a freeview box or skybox etc.

If tv has scart input, I would just attach devices via that and then you would not have to tune anything - just set tv to use scart channel, and I am sure you can work out how to do that by just pressing menu buttons or source button etc.

...unless TV is being used to view a Sky box remotely via the analogue RF connection - and needs tuning to the analogue channel that the Sky box is outputting its RF signal on.

Tolkny · 01-03-2016, 16:07

Thank you both - I am undecided about its use - I am having a sort out - I know it was working well when it was put away

oilman · 01-03-2016, 17:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chasing Shadows

...unless TV is being used to view a Sky box remotely via the analogue RF connection - and needs tuning to the analogue channel that the Sky box is outputting its RF signal on.

Sure.

d'@ve · 01-03-2016, 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chasing Shadows

...unless TV is being used to view a Sky box remotely via the analogue RF connection - and needs tuning to the analogue channel that the Sky box is outputting its RF signal on.

I have two TVs upstairs both with analogue inputs as well as digital Freeview tuners so I use the same coax to carry signals to both (via splitter), the analogue input gets my downstairs Sky box output upstairs on whatever it's tuned to or playing at the time.

Analogue-input TVs definitely still have uses and I will be annoyed if when I have to replace TVs none of them have analogue inputs!

anthony david · 01-03-2016, 17:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by d'@ve

I have two TVs upstairs both with analogue inputs as well as digital Freeview tuners so I use the same coax to carry signals to both (via splitter), the analogue input gets my downstairs Sky box output upstairs on whatever it's tuned to or playing at the time.

Analogue-input TVs definitely still have uses and I will be annoyed if when I have to replace TVs none of them have analogue inputs!

Sony sets still have SCART inputs and analogue tuners, no doubt others do as well but it may be wise to make a purchase soon just in case these features, assuming you still want them, disappear.

Nigel Goodwin · 01-03-2016, 19:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by d'@ve

Analogue-input TVs definitely still have uses and I will be annoyed if when I have to replace TVs none of them have analogue inputs!

You're not looking properly then - almost ALL TV's still have analogue tuners and analogue inputs. A few have dropped SCART, but still usually have analogue AV inputs or Component - but it's EXTREMELY rare to find a set without an analogue tuner.

Winston_1 · 01-03-2016, 23:39

Granada generally used sets from the Thorn stable. There is probably a Ferguson equivalent. A picture might help one of us to identify it.

Winston_1 · 01-03-2016, 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

You're not looking properly then - almost ALL TV's still have analogue tuners and analogue inputs. A few have dropped SCART, but still usually have analogue AV inputs or Component - but it's EXTREMELY rare to find a set without an analogue tuner.

Indeed. A recent set i bought had multi standard analogue decoding but no Nicam. Interestingly it had German Zweiton stereo though.

in_focus · 02-03-2016, 20:33

Granada sourced sets from many manufacturers, a link to photos of the front and rear of the set will help ascertain the manufacturer and possibly their equivalent model number.

1andrew1 · 03-03-2016, 11:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

Granada generally used sets from the Thorn stable. There is probably a Ferguson equivalent. A picture might help one of us to identify it.

It was Radio Rentals & DER who sourced from their sister company Ferguson. Granada sourced from other manufacturers.

Nigel Goodwin · 03-03-2016, 12:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

It was Radio Rentals & DER who sourced from their sister company Ferguson. Granada sourced from other manufacturers.

I was thinking GEC was one of the Granada suppliers? - I don't recall then having Thorn sets?.

AlanO · 03-03-2016, 13:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

I was thinking GEC was one of the Granada suppliers? - I don't recall then having Thorn sets?.

I know Granada sourced from ITT at one point, since some family friends of the time had a Granada badged set that was identical to the ITT one my parents had !

Didn't Granada use the Finlandia name or similar? With stuff coming from Finlux - as in the pre-Vestel Finlux?

Nigel Goodwin · 03-03-2016, 14:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanO

I know Granada sourced from ITT at one point, since some family friends of the time had a Granada badged set that was identical to the ITT one my parents had !

Didn't Granada use the Finlandia name or similar? With stuff coming from Finlux - as in the pre-Vestel Finlux?

I believe so, there were various makes badged Granada.

Orbitalzone · 03-03-2016, 15:52

Didn't they have their own brand 'Finlandia'? not sure if they were made by GEC and rebadged. In the mid 1990's they rebadged Finlux 5000 series as Finlandia. They've had quite a variety over the years...

I suspect most of the features on the OP's TV won't work and other than tuning in (use a scart instead) and picture settings wonder what he's struggling with?

in_focus · 03-03-2016, 19:12

The Finlandia badged sets were mostly manufactured by Salora, remember IPSALO?

It was Thorn outlets that used Finlux when Ferguson ceased producing their own sets, they were an alternative to that dreadful French designed Thomson rubbish.

Chris Frost · 07-03-2016, 19:19

Did rental sets ever come with a manual?

I remember ours being delivered by DER and blokey-fella plugged it in, tuned it in, showed us the On/Off, volume and channel change and that was about it... Then offski.

Nigel Goodwin · 07-03-2016, 20:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Frost

Did rental sets ever come with a manual?

I remember ours being delivered by DER and blokey-fella plugged it in, tuned it in, showed us the On/Off, volume and channel change and that was about it... Then offski.

Well really there's nothing you need to know, an old analogue set was so simple - I can't even remember if we used to give the instruction books to customers or not?

Chris Frost · 07-03-2016, 20:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Well really there's nothing you need to know, an old analogue set was so simple

Exactly!

AlanO · 08-03-2016, 11:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Well really there's nothing you need to know, an old analogue set was so simple - I can't even remember if we used to give the instruction books to customers or not?

Not quite true - some of the tuning methods were convoluted to say the least - I'm thinking particularly of the Thomson made Ferguson's and certain Philips models.......

anthony david · 08-03-2016, 16:16

I remember, years ago, talking to the Red Arrow man (Granada rentals) who dealt with the building's many office TVs. He said that giving the public any technical information beyond showing them the TV's basic operation was a disaster. If Winter Hill went off for a minute or so, or if they accidentally pulled their aerial cable out, those who presumed they knew better would open up the flap covering the manual tuning controls and detune every one of them. They would then demand a call out and when asked why the tuning controls had been touched claimed no knowledge of it whatsoever. As a result some sets were crudely modified with a screw on the flap to prevent easy access. I think of him when I see people on this forum, often with brand new TVs, wanting to know how to access the sets service menu.

Remember these were rental sets, tuning was done by the rental company not the renter.

AlanO · 09-03-2016, 09:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by anthony david

I remember, years ago, talking to the Red Arrow man (Granada rentals) who dealt with the building's many office TVs. He said that giving the public any technical information beyond showing them the TV's basic operation was a disaster. If Winter Hill went off for a minute or so, or if they accidentally pulled their aerial cable out, those who presumed they knew better would open up the flap covering the manual tuning controls and detune every one of them. They would then demand a call out and when asked why the tuning controls had been touched claimed no knowledge of it whatsoever. As a result some sets were crudely modified with a screw on the flap to prevent easy access. I think of him when I see people on this forum, often with brand new TVs, wanting to know how to access the sets service menu.

Remember these were rental sets, tuning was done by the rental company not the renter.

In the 70s, I can understand that but by the 80s people started to get VCRs and home computers which ran through the TV - whilst I'd have expected someone who rented their TV to rent the VCR from the same source, I don't recall Home Computers being available for rent.

The other factor is if a renter moved house? I wouldn't expect them to have to return the set and re-rent, surely the rental companies allowed them to move the set?

01-03-2016, 12:23	#1
Tolkny Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 7	Obtaining Manual for Granada Rental TV Might this still be possible? My searching has not so far found a provider - do you have any advise. The set must be over twenty years old & was obtained second hand probably after Granada stopped trading, though from the outside of the equipment I cannot see a TV equipment manufacturer's name, but have got a Granada reference number on the equipment and most of a model serial number on a label affixed. Thanks if you can help.

01-03-2016, 13:07	#2
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Do you mean a service manual?, or a user manual? - not much need for a user manual, and for a service manual you would need to find what make and model the set is (as Granada is most likely just a badge).

01-03-2016, 13:28	#3
Tolkny Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 7	I mean a User manual - I know it will have little use but I still want one if possible and not to much trouble or expense is involved. I am grateful for the prompt response

01-03-2016, 14:24	#4
oilman Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,854	Quote: Originally Posted by Tolkny I mean a User manual - I know it will have little use but I still want one if possible and not to much trouble or expense is involved. I am grateful for the prompt response Obviously tv is analogue and cannot be used without attaching a freeview box or skybox etc. If tv has scart input, I would just attach devices via that and then you would not have to tune anything - just set tv to use scart channel, and I am sure you can work out how to do that by just pressing menu buttons or source button etc.

01-03-2016, 14:33	#5
Chasing Shadows Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,536	Quote: Originally Posted by oilman Obviously tv is analogue and cannot be used without attaching a freeview box or skybox etc. If tv has scart input, I would just attach devices via that and then you would not have to tune anything - just set tv to use scart channel, and I am sure you can work out how to do that by just pressing menu buttons or source button etc. ...unless TV is being used to view a Sky box remotely via the analogue RF connection - and needs tuning to the analogue channel that the Sky box is outputting its RF signal on.

01-03-2016, 16:07	#6
Tolkny Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 7	Thank you both - I am undecided about its use - I am having a sort out - I know it was working well when it was put away

01-03-2016, 17:10	#7
oilman Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,854	Quote: Originally Posted by Chasing Shadows ...unless TV is being used to view a Sky box remotely via the analogue RF connection - and needs tuning to the analogue channel that the Sky box is outputting its RF signal on. Sure.

01-03-2016, 17:14	#8
d'@ve Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Darn Sarf Posts: 28,743	Quote: Originally Posted by Chasing Shadows ...unless TV is being used to view a Sky box remotely via the analogue RF connection - and needs tuning to the analogue channel that the Sky box is outputting its RF signal on. I have two TVs upstairs both with analogue inputs as well as digital Freeview tuners so I use the same coax to carry signals to both (via splitter), the analogue input gets my downstairs Sky box output upstairs on whatever it's tuned to or playing at the time. Analogue-input TVs definitely still have uses and I will be annoyed if when I have to replace TVs none of them have analogue inputs!

01-03-2016, 17:33	#9
anthony david Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,469	Quote: Originally Posted by d'@ve I have two TVs upstairs both with analogue inputs as well as digital Freeview tuners so I use the same coax to carry signals to both (via splitter), the analogue input gets my downstairs Sky box output upstairs on whatever it's tuned to or playing at the time. Analogue-input TVs definitely still have uses and I will be annoyed if when I have to replace TVs none of them have analogue inputs! Sony sets still have SCART inputs and analogue tuners, no doubt others do as well but it may be wise to make a purchase soon just in case these features, assuming you still want them, disappear.

01-03-2016, 19:13	#10
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by d'@ve Analogue-input TVs definitely still have uses and I will be annoyed if when I have to replace TVs none of them have analogue inputs! You're not looking properly then - almost ALL TV's still have analogue tuners and analogue inputs. A few have dropped SCART, but still usually have analogue AV inputs or Component - but it's EXTREMELY rare to find a set without an analogue tuner.

01-03-2016, 23:39	#11
Winston_1 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,008	Granada generally used sets from the Thorn stable. There is probably a Ferguson equivalent. A picture might help one of us to identify it.

01-03-2016, 23:42	#12
Winston_1 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,008	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin You're not looking properly then - almost ALL TV's still have analogue tuners and analogue inputs. A few have dropped SCART, but still usually have analogue AV inputs or Component - but it's EXTREMELY rare to find a set without an analogue tuner. Indeed. A recent set i bought had multi standard analogue decoding but no Nicam. Interestingly it had German Zweiton stereo though.

02-03-2016, 20:33	#13
in_focus Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Durham Posts: 294	Granada sourced sets from many manufacturers, a link to photos of the front and rear of the set will help ascertain the manufacturer and possibly their equivalent model number.

03-03-2016, 11:23	#14
1andrew1 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,981	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 Granada generally used sets from the Thorn stable. There is probably a Ferguson equivalent. A picture might help one of us to identify it. It was Radio Rentals & DER who sourced from their sister company Ferguson. Granada sourced from other manufacturers.

03-03-2016, 12:57	#15
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by 1andrew1 It was Radio Rentals & DER who sourced from their sister company Ferguson. Granada sourced from other manufacturers. I was thinking GEC was one of the Granada suppliers? - I don't recall then having Thorn sets?.

03-03-2016, 13:29	#16
AlanO Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,902	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin I was thinking GEC was one of the Granada suppliers? - I don't recall then having Thorn sets?. I know Granada sourced from ITT at one point, since some family friends of the time had a Granada badged set that was identical to the ITT one my parents had ! Didn't Granada use the Finlandia name or similar? With stuff coming from Finlux - as in the pre-Vestel Finlux?

03-03-2016, 14:52	#17
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by AlanO I know Granada sourced from ITT at one point, since some family friends of the time had a Granada badged set that was identical to the ITT one my parents had ! Didn't Granada use the Finlandia name or similar? With stuff coming from Finlux - as in the pre-Vestel Finlux? I believe so, there were various makes badged Granada.

03-03-2016, 15:52	#18
Orbitalzone Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Sussex Posts: 12,173	Didn't they have their own brand 'Finlandia'? not sure if they were made by GEC and rebadged. In the mid 1990's they rebadged Finlux 5000 series as Finlandia. They've had quite a variety over the years... I suspect most of the features on the OP's TV won't work and other than tuning in (use a scart instead) and picture settings wonder what he's struggling with?

03-03-2016, 19:12	#19
in_focus Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Durham Posts: 294	The Finlandia badged sets were mostly manufactured by Salora, remember IPSALO? It was Thorn outlets that used Finlux when Ferguson ceased producing their own sets, they were an alternative to that dreadful French designed Thomson rubbish.

07-03-2016, 19:19	#20
Chris Frost Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cheshire Posts: 6,462	Did rental sets ever come with a manual? I remember ours being delivered by DER and blokey-fella plugged it in, tuned it in, showed us the On/Off, volume and channel change and that was about it... Then offski.

07-03-2016, 20:40	#21
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by Chris Frost Did rental sets ever come with a manual? I remember ours being delivered by DER and blokey-fella plugged it in, tuned it in, showed us the On/Off, volume and channel change and that was about it... Then offski. Well really there's nothing you need to know, an old analogue set was so simple - I can't even remember if we used to give the instruction books to customers or not?

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07-03-2016, 20:53	#22
Chris Frost Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Cheshire Posts: 6,462	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin Well really there's nothing you need to know, an old analogue set was so simple Exactly!

08-03-2016, 11:38	#23
AlanO Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,902	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin Well really there's nothing you need to know, an old analogue set was so simple - I can't even remember if we used to give the instruction books to customers or not? Not quite true - some of the tuning methods were convoluted to say the least - I'm thinking particularly of the Thomson made Ferguson's and certain Philips models.......

08-03-2016, 16:16	#24
anthony david Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,469	I remember, years ago, talking to the Red Arrow man (Granada rentals) who dealt with the building's many office TVs. He said that giving the public any technical information beyond showing them the TV's basic operation was a disaster. If Winter Hill went off for a minute or so, or if they accidentally pulled their aerial cable out, those who presumed they knew better would open up the flap covering the manual tuning controls and detune every one of them. They would then demand a call out and when asked why the tuning controls had been touched claimed no knowledge of it whatsoever. As a result some sets were crudely modified with a screw on the flap to prevent easy access. I think of him when I see people on this forum, often with brand new TVs, wanting to know how to access the sets service menu. Remember these were rental sets, tuning was done by the rental company not the renter.

09-03-2016, 09:30	#25
AlanO Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,902	Quote: Originally Posted by anthony david I remember, years ago, talking to the Red Arrow man (Granada rentals) who dealt with the building's many office TVs. He said that giving the public any technical information beyond showing them the TV's basic operation was a disaster. If Winter Hill went off for a minute or so, or if they accidentally pulled their aerial cable out, those who presumed they knew better would open up the flap covering the manual tuning controls and detune every one of them. They would then demand a call out and when asked why the tuning controls had been touched claimed no knowledge of it whatsoever. As a result some sets were crudely modified with a screw on the flap to prevent easy access. I think of him when I see people on this forum, often with brand new TVs, wanting to know how to access the sets service menu. Remember these were rental sets, tuning was done by the rental company not the renter. In the 70s, I can understand that but by the 80s people started to get VCRs and home computers which ran through the TV - whilst I'd have expected someone who rented their TV to rent the VCR from the same source, I don't recall Home Computers being available for rent. The other factor is if a renter moved house? I wouldn't expect them to have to return the set and re-rent, surely the rental companies allowed them to move the set?