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Doctors history with Missy and Davros
Sara_Peplow
05-03-2016
Does anyone else think he has been to lenient soft with them ?.

I have a feeling one or both will be back to torment our hero.

There where a few things with Magicians Apprentice and Witches Familar.

Davros back story was interesting showing him being rescued by the Doctor as a young boy.

However we still don't know what happened to make him become a monster who created another race of monsters the Daleks who still pose a threat to the universe.

What was with the Return of the Jedi line "Let me look upon you with my own eyes" ?.

Finally Missy idea dread to think what she thought off .
stocklen
05-03-2016
Originally Posted by Sara_Peplow:
“Does anyone else think he has been to lenient soft with them ?.

I have a feeling one or both will be back to torment our hero.

There where a few things with Magicians Apprentice and Witches Familar.

Davros back story was interesting showing him being rescued by the Doctor as a young boy.

However we still don't know what happened to make him become a monster who created another race of monsters the Daleks who still pose a threat to the universe.

What was with the Return of the Jedi line "Let me look upon you with my own eyes" ?.

Finally Missy idea dread to think what she thought off .”



... this is going to sound rude.. and i dont mean it to be...

but almost none of that made any sense!! apart from using 'to' and 'where' instead of 'too' and 'were' (I'm not the grammar police) but not really sure what you are trying to say here.
GDK
05-03-2016
"Look upon you with my own eyes" was simply because he'd not used his own eyes for many years (just like Anakin/Darth Vader - the parallel is appropriate). For some reason (that's never been explained as far as I know) Davros's real eyes were always closed and he'd been using the artificial, Dalek-type eye in his forehead to see with all that time.
PaperSkin
05-03-2016
The Doctor is clearly having an affair with both.
Sam_Gee1
05-03-2016
I'll try and interpret this as best i can.

Davros, what made him a monster was the war on Skaro, believe that was even stated in the Magicians Apprentice and Witches Familar, don't even need to watch Genesis.

Davros hasn't been as soft with the Doctor either has he has been in the past, Davros definitely enjoys trying having someone as intelligent as him, and it creates a rivalry.

Missy/Master, Missy does need to be a bit more cunning like her previous incarnations, the banter and sometimes alliances have always occurred between the two, but as of right now, i think SM has gotten Missy's character slightly wrong, and she is too "nice" compared to her previous standards toward The Doctor if you ask me.
johnnysaucepn
07-03-2016
Originally Posted by Sam_Gee1:
“Missy/Master, Missy does need to be a bit more cunning like her previous incarnations, the banter and sometimes alliances have always occurred between the two, but as of right now, i think SM has gotten Missy's character slightly wrong, and she is too "nice" compared to her previous standards toward The Doctor if you ask me.”

I don't know, I think I like the shift that Moffat has made. In the past, the Master's problem has always been that despite being supposedly very intelligent, his power over others seemed to rely on brute hypnosis - everything else seemed to be just blustering commands that he is the Master and must be obeyed, and all that. A fairly blunt interpretation of what it is to be a 'master'.

I like that Missy is still about the showmanship, but that her control is more psychological - you know she could kill you in a dozen imaginative ways at a moment's notice if the mood takes her, or if you step out of line. As we saw in The Witch's Familiar, she can psychologically manipulate people into doing anything she wants, no gadgets required.
Sam_Gee1
07-03-2016
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“I don't know, I think I like the shift that Moffat has made. In the past, the Master's problem has always been that despite being supposedly very intelligent, his power over others seemed to rely on brute hypnosis - everything else seemed to be just blustering commands that he is the Master and must be obeyed, and all that. A fairly blunt interpretation of what it is to be a 'master'.

I like that Missy is still about the showmanship, but that her control is more psychological - you know she could kill you in a dozen imaginative ways at a moment's notice if the mood takes her, or if you step out of line. As we saw in The Witch's Familiar, she can psychologically manipulate people into doing anything she wants, no gadgets required.”

She is an evil River Song, to busy trying to be friends with The Doctor and simply too crazy. She isn't the master to me, the relationship between the Doctor and her is wrong, her motives have changed, she is not cunning. All of these are the key essentials to the Master, and i don't see any of them.
johnnysaucepn
07-03-2016
Originally Posted by Sam_Gee1:
“the relationship between the Doctor and her is wrong, her motives have changed”

How so? I think their relationship is much closer to their original relationship, where they are rivals and opposed, but respect each other and recognise that each is the only link to the Time Lords that they have.
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