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Old 05-03-2016, 17:54
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I was watching the Key to time saga on Horror this week starring Tom Baker and Mary Tamm and noticed that it stopped at the 4th serial The Androids Of Tara even though there was 2 more to go which are The Power Of Kroll and The Amaggedon Factor why did it after Androids suddenly skip to The City Of Death as it leaves the key to time saga unfinished.
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Old 05-03-2016, 18:18
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I would imagine that for some reason they didn't obtain the rights to the last two stories

The same thing appears to have happened with Castrovalva which can be seen as the final story in a trilogy that started with Keeper of Traken and continued with Logopolis.
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Old 05-03-2016, 18:26
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Well at least I have all of them on DVD which is good. The same goes with the aforementioned Keeper of Traken to Castrovalva.
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Old 05-03-2016, 18:43
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According to the tv guide on the Horror Channel website they won't be showing Doctor Who at all after next week
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Old 05-03-2016, 18:44
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You're not really missing much with The Power of Kroll anyway, if you haven't seen it. Just think mini clones of the Green Giant mixed with hentai, followed by the series regular ending of the Doctor and Romana finding a segment of the Key and going "next!"

The Armageddon Factor was quite good though, so that's a shame.
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Old 06-03-2016, 16:58
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I found them at CEX, so I'm sorted.
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Old 06-03-2016, 21:15
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The Horror Channel only shows the rights to stuff they have. They don't even show stories in the right order sometimes.
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Old 07-03-2016, 11:54
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The Horror Channel got two lots of Classic stories.

The first selection of 30 contained nearly all the "Classics and fan favourites". The Tom Baker stories were for example all from the Hinchcliffe/Holmes era plus City of Death.

The next selection of 17(?) is a more of a mixture. I guess the BBC is happy to let them have parts of longer arcs in the hope that viewers buy the DVDs to finish them!
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Old 13-03-2016, 22:48
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I would imagine that for some reason they didn't obtain the rights to the last two stories.

The same thing appears to have happened with Castrovalva which can be seen as the final story in a trilogy that started with Keeper of Traken and continued with Logopolis.
I would have thought that as the Key to Time was a whole season, the rights would have been for all of it.

My favourite story of that season is The Armageddon Factor, so if watching on Horror, I would have to get my DVD out to see it.
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Old 14-03-2016, 07:15
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I was watching the Key to time saga on Horror this week starring Tom Baker and Mary Tamm and noticed that it stopped at the 4th serial The Androids Of Tara even though there was 2 more to go which are The Power Of Kroll and The Amaggedon Factor why did it after Androids suddenly skip to The City Of Death as it leaves the key to time saga unfinished.
I myself wondered why now they are showing full stories mid day rather than 2 episodes at night.
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Old 14-03-2016, 09:09
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I myself wondered why now they are showing full stories mid day rather than 2 episodes at night.
I think they're trying to get the most out of the shows while they still have the rights to show them - so burn through them as quickly as possible one last time.
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Old 15-03-2016, 01:01
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You're not really missing much with The Power of Kroll anyway, if you haven't seen it. Just think mini clones of the Green Giant mixed with hentai
'Hentai'? I must have missed that when I watched it.
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Old 15-03-2016, 11:09
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I think they're trying to get the most out of the shows while they still have the rights to show them - so burn through them as quickly as possible one last time.
I do miss them being on late. Having it on from 8:50 - 10pm was ideal viewing.
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Old 15-03-2016, 19:08
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According to the tv guide on the Horror Channel website they won't be showing Doctor Who at all after next week
Poor ratings, presumably.

Sounds like they've yanked this one mid-series, like the BBC3 repeats or the utterly disastrous attempt at a BBC1 Sunday omnibus for two-parters. Horror have even fewer viewers to retain, and no TV licence money.
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Old 15-03-2016, 19:15
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Poor ratings, presumably.

Sounds like they've yanked this one mid-series, like the BBC3 repeats or the utterly disastrous attempt at a BBC1 Sunday omnibus for two-parters. Horror have even fewer viewers to retain, and no TV licence money.
Well, they've been through all the ones they have three or four times now, so anyone who's that interested will have done what they need to do by now.
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Old 15-03-2016, 19:21
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Well, they've been through all the ones they have three or four times now, so anyone who's that interested will have done what they need to do by now.
Exactly. If BBC4 couldn't get good ratings for The Face of Evil recently, I can't imagine a tiny 'digital' channel is going to profit from showing old episodes, let alone repeating them.

I wonder if the BBC should have set up a YouTube channel years ago with full episodes containing adverts? I could imagine that would have netted them more money than selling DVDs and repeat rights to tiny digital TV channels.
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Old 16-03-2016, 09:37
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Exactly. If BBC4 couldn't get good ratings for The Face of Evil recently, I can't imagine a tiny 'digital' channel is going to profit from showing old episodes, let alone repeating them.

I wonder if the BBC should have set up a YouTube channel years ago with full episodes containing adverts? I could imagine that would have netted them more money than selling DVDs and repeat rights to tiny digital TV channels.
The Face of Evil was rather buried in the schedules. If they stuck some fluff like The Five Doctors on Boxing Day afternoon on BBC1, and promoted it a bit, it would have got better ratings probably. After all people are happy to watch old films.

The BBC have the online BBC Store now, and even promoted it at the start of the S9 boxset! That's how they're going to back money from their back catalogue now
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Old 16-03-2016, 12:36
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Poor ratings, presumably.

Sounds like they've yanked this one mid-series, like the BBC3 repeats or the utterly disastrous attempt at a BBC1 Sunday omnibus for two-parters. Horror have even fewer viewers to retain, and no TV licence money.
Put it on a proper channel like BBc1 durin mid day then.
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Old 16-03-2016, 13:35
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There used to be a thing back in the day, where repeats on free to air channels such as BBC1 were rather expensive because of the repeat fees that they had to pay to actors etc but for some reason these were much cheaper on satellite or cable channels. Not sure if that distinction still exists in this day and age?
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Old 16-03-2016, 13:55
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There used to be a thing back in the day, where repeats on free to air channels such as BBC1 were rather expensive because of the repeat fees that they had to pay to actors etc but for some reason these were much cheaper on satellite or cable channels. Not sure if that distinction still exists in this day and age?
What made it expensive was that the contracts with those involved in making the programmes back then didn't anticipate the development of future home media and delivery channels. This meant that when it came to later repeats and releases onto various home media since, each person involved had to be contacted and a fee negotiated. Since then, more recent contracts do cover new media.

(In fact they obviously didn't anticipate the content itself would be of any interest or value beyond the "early" repeats window, given the attitude they had then to archiving programmes (i.e. none to speak of!).)
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Old 16-03-2016, 13:57
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Put it on a proper channel like BBc1 durin mid day then.
Whenever they've repeated old Christmas specials on BBC1, the ratings have been poor. And they dropped the BBC3 repeats of old series of the new show years ago because the ratings tailed off. I really don't think there's any significant audience for classic episodes. Anyone who'd like to watch them probably has them on DVD or finds them online. Everyone else remembers them fondly but won't spend a couple of hours or more actually watching them.

I wonder if there was a missed opportunity to repeat old episodes on Freeview between 2005-2010?
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Old 16-03-2016, 14:36
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Whenever they've repeated old Christmas specials on BBC1, the ratings have been poor. And they dropped the BBC3 repeats of old series of the new show years ago because the ratings tailed off. I really don't think there's any significant audience for classic episodes. Anyone who'd like to watch them probably has them on DVD or finds them online. Everyone else remembers them fondly but won't spend a couple of hours or more actually watching them.

I wonder if there was a missed opportunity to repeat old episodes on Freeview between 2005-2010?
Probably but I think they didnt want stuff interfering with the new series.
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Old 25-03-2016, 20:14
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There used to be a thing back in the day, where repeats on free to air channels such as BBC1 were rather expensive because of the repeat fees that they had to pay to actors etc but for some reason these were much cheaper on satellite or cable channels. Not sure if that distinction still exists in this day and age?
The distinction still exists. When a BBC show is repeated on any third party channel, the actors, writers, director etc share 17% of the ad revenue. For repeats on a BBC channel made within five years of the original broadcast they're all paid a fixed fee. After the five years is up, the actors and others can ask for as much or little as they want for each repeat.

Why the continued distinction? If Equity (the actors union) let the BBC show repeats too easily, it would cut down on new shows.
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Old 25-03-2016, 23:18
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The distinction still exists. When a BBC show is repeated on any third party channel, the actors, writers, director etc share 17% of the ad revenue. For repeats on a BBC channel made within five years of the original broadcast they're all paid a fixed fee. After the five years is up, the actors and others can ask for as much or little as they want for each repeat.

Why the continued distinction? If Equity (the actors union) let the BBC show repeats too easily, it would cut down on new shows.
I wondered about the precise rules. The silly thing about the rules, is that the schedule can be full of repeats, but just recent ones.

Certain old shows, notably Dad's Army, ARE repeated on the BBC, I presume they did a deal with the estates of the (sadly deceased) actors
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Old 27-03-2016, 21:06
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Here's how to do it: repeats of Classic Who Sunday's 2.00pm BBC1. Sorted.
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