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Football Neutrals Thread - Part 2
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Mark F
24-04-2016
Palace fully deserved to win.

Today showed why Flores does seem to be under pressure - slow in attack and caught out by pace in defence.
Malbren
24-04-2016
Originally Posted by Mark F:
“Palace fully deserved to win.

Today showed why Flores does seem to be under pressure - slow in attack and caught out by pace in defence.”

Watford ddn't have the best of days today, poor goals to concede but.....Flores should not be under pressure, still had a great season overall.
batdude_uk1
24-04-2016
Originally Posted by percygumtree:
“Wilshire is one of the most skilful English midfield players, it's not really hard to understand a squad position would be kept open to him if he is fit enough”

He does have certain talents, but he should just like everyone else, be picked on merit, playing however many minutes it was today, does not justify a place in the squad.

Other players have done vastly more in the past year than he is that would be eligible for the squad.
TheMunch
24-04-2016
The minutes he had today isn't what justifies his spot in the squad, it's his abilities and what he can bring if we needed to play him. Nobody's saying he should be in the starting lineup every game, just that he should be one of the 23. There's no guarantee every one of those 23 players will play anyway, and he goes and is fit there's no guarantee he'll play but going by ability if he is fit he goes as part of the squad.

But this is just repeating what I've said a few times in the past so I don't know why I'm even bothering again.


Do you think every other international team picks 23 players completely on merit? That all 23 of those players fought for their place in the most recent season before a tournament?
celesti
24-04-2016
For the millionth time, not every callup is based on form over the previous few months. How many people have to explain to you how football works before it sinks in? Maybe we should ask a journalist to tweet it and you can coincidentally come up with the same realisation a few hours later.
Mark F
24-04-2016
Originally Posted by Malbren:
“Watford ddn't have the best of days today, poor goals to concede but.....Flores should not be under pressure, still had a great season overall.”

That is true but the Pozzos are trigger happy it seems!
batdude_uk1
24-04-2016
Originally Posted by celesti:
“For the millionth time, not every callup is based on form over the previous few months. How many people have to explain to you how football works before it sinks in? Maybe we should ask a journalist to tweet it and you can coincidentally come up with the same realisation a few hours later.”

I really don't understand where this myth has sprung up from, whereby I have apparently copied something from Twitter without saying so.

If people think he should be in the squad, fair enough, at this stage I wouldn't pick him in mine, I would only have people there that have earned their place, but that is just me I suppose.
That might be the wrong mentality to have, but I would pick players in form, rather than players on name value.
celesti
24-04-2016
It has come from you aping things you read and claiming ignorance on too regular a basis to be coincidental, even if the ignorance is convincing.

People aren't saying that Wilshere should be in, but that they could see him getting the call because sometimes first team players go back into a side without having a long spell of having to prove themselves.
batdude_uk1
25-04-2016
Originally Posted by celesti:
“It has come from you aping things you read and claiming ignorance on too regular a basis to be coincidental, even if the ignorance is convincing.

People aren't saying that Wilshere should be in, but that they could see him getting the call because sometimes first team players go back into a side without having a long spell of having to prove themselves.”

There are quite a lot of people on twitter, so the odds of two people having the same or similar opinions are quite high, especially if they are talking about a high profile topic (which Manchester United tend to be), so if I have said something similar to someone else, then that is most likely the case.

What I said about Cantona and Rooney for example, was what poped into my mind, if someone else said it, then I can believe that, as it was a high profile match at the time (semi final of the FA Cup), but that doesn't mean that I copied them, it just means two fans of the same club remember a high profile incident in a match.

If I were to copy something from Twitter, then just as I did with posting the team news from our match, there would be a link, that is to prove that the work is not mine, but somebody else's.

I don't know how much more open or honest I can be.
celesti
25-04-2016
A lot more. Every time you say 'if I recall correctly' or words to that effect you may as well just post the link you've found.
Sebastian1992
25-04-2016
What's your twitter handle batdude? I'm sure it would just be a coincidence if you happened to follow the person who initially made the point you seem to have copied .
Deep Purple
25-04-2016
Hazard and Fabregas clearly showing their desires about who they want to win the PL.

Hopefully Chelsea will show some decency (for once), and play their final games in a proper way, and not help Leicester out, they dont need it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36123820

Quote:
“"The fans, the club, the players, we don't want Tottenham to win the Premier League," Hazard, 25, told BBC's Match of the Day programme.

"We hope for Leicester because they deserve to be champions this season.

"We have a good game next week against Tottenham and if we can beat them it will be good."”

It would be better for him to comment on his own lousy form this season, rather than come out with stuff like this.
codeblue
25-04-2016
if spurs have to rely on chelsea beating leicester, they do not deserve to win.

Its a 38 game season.

Chelsea have the right, as there is nothing to play for, to blood the youth team in that game if they want to.
codeblue
25-04-2016
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“Hopefully Chelsea will show some decency (for once),”

Your post is not very neutral is it?
NorthernNinny
25-04-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“Your post is not very neutral is it?”

Neither are most of yours.
celesti
25-04-2016
The team with most points after 38 games deserves to win, whether it involves relying on results going your way or not.
Deep Purple
25-04-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“if spurs have to rely on chelsea beating leicester, they do not deserve to win.

Its a 38 game season.

Chelsea have the right, as there is nothing to play for, to blood the youth team in that game if they want to.”


Three Chelsea players have publicly announced that they want Leicester to win the title, and that they really dont want Spurs to. That is when they still have to play both clubs. That is completely out of order, and leaves them wide open to accusations, if it comes down to the last game, and they play a different side, and show a different attitude against Leicester.

I would hope they will play properly against both teams, but if three players are saying this, what is the club stance on it?
CGG_12
25-04-2016
Players in not wanting their rivals to win the league shocker!

People will try and create drama and outrage over absolutely nothing these days
Deep Purple
25-04-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“Your post is not very neutral is it?”

I dont have to be neutral. I know Chelsea supporters will have the attitude being discussed, but I dont expect the players to be showing it in public.

I think Leicester will win the PL, and probably before the last game. If that happens, I will congratulate them, they will deserve it, but why do these players have to say this, and throw suspicion upon their attitude? I doubt Leicester will appreciate it either.
yaristaman
25-04-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“if spurs have to rely on chelsea beating leicester, they do not deserve to win.

Its a 38 game season.

Chelsea have the right, as there is nothing to play for, to blood the youth team in that game if they want to.”

Would you feel the same if Chelsea were going for the title and Spurs were the team that had 'nothing to play for'.
Deep Purple
25-04-2016
Originally Posted by CGG_12:
“Players in not wanting their rivals to win the league shocker!

People will try and create drama and outrage over absolutely nothing these days”

Players who have to play both clubs!! Cant you see anything amiss in that?

If they play a blinder against Spurs, and have a shocker against Leicester, they have left themselves wide open to all manner of accusations.

It is actually possible to keep their mouths shut.
Deep Purple
25-04-2016
Originally Posted by yaristaman:
“Would you feel the same if Chelsea were going for the title and Spurs were the team that had 'nothing to play for'.”

I would if Spurs players were saying this in the media.
CGG_12
25-04-2016
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“Players who have to play both clubs!! Cant you see anything amiss in that?

If they play a blinder against Spurs, and have a shocker against Leicester, they have left themselves wide open to all manner of accusations.

It is actually possible to keep their mouths shut.”

The greatest sporting achievement possibly of all time is about to happen. If Chelsea don't even turn up to the last game I'd be delighted tbh!

Stop being so precious, Spurs should have gone out and won more matches and they wouldn't have this problem
celesti
25-04-2016
If Leicester beat Chelsea, I don't believe for a second it's because Chelsea are consciously or subconsciously willing it to happen. It'll just be because they're crap.
SnrDev
25-04-2016
The only other thing Spurs needed to do was beat Leicester this season, and as they've failed on both occasions that's why they're where they are and why Leicester are where they are. Two attempts at beating Leicester, 1, goal, 1 point from 6.
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