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Old 13-03-2016, 08:49
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Lukaku does get very good service most of the time, and he does have quality players around him...Everton have got a very good team, this is not a poor Everton team by anyone's standards...which is why they are considered underachieving, they have some seriously talented players.
If they had a "very good team" they'd be challenging for the title, why do some people go overboard when talking about Everton? They're an average team in the position they should be in.
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Old 13-03-2016, 10:26
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If they had a "very good team" they'd be challenging for the title, why do some people go overboard when talking about Everton? They're an average team in the position they should be in.
Everton's league position doesn't mean they don't have very good players. One could argue Martinez should get more from them.

One wouldn't look at the Chelsea team and league position and come to the conclusion that they have not got quality players..

Just as one wouldn't look at Leicester and say they have better players than the teams around them.
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Old 13-03-2016, 10:27
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If they had a "very good team" they'd be challenging for the title, why do some people go overboard when talking about Everton? They're an average team in the position they should be in.
Maybe because they are not an average team....they should certainly be challenging for the 4th spot and Europa league places....not mid table. With the way this season is then yes they should be challenging for the title, and if they had closed shop rather than keep attacking then I have no doubt they would be.
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Old 13-03-2016, 10:49
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Everton are as close to Aston Villa as they are Leicester. The league doesn't lie, that's average.
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Old 13-03-2016, 10:53
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Everton's league position doesn't mean they don't have very good players. One could argue Martinez should get more from them.

One wouldn't look at the Chelsea team and league position and come to the conclusion that they have not got quality players..

Just as one wouldn't look at Leicester and say they have better players than the teams around them.
They have some good players, but they're not good enough to challenge for the title.
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Old 13-03-2016, 10:58
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Maybe because they are not an average team....they should certainly be challenging for the 4th spot and Europa league places....not mid table. With the way this season is then yes they should be challenging for the title, and if they had closed shop rather than keep attacking then I have no doubt they would be.
At the start of the season Everton were eight favourites to win the PL at odds of 250-1 and eighth favourites to finish in the top 4 at odds of 16-1, so the Europa League should be their realistic aim. Maybe they should be doing better, but they're far away from being a side good enough to challenge for the title.
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Old 13-03-2016, 11:43
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At the start of the season Everton were eight favourites to win the PL at odds of 250-1 and eighth favourites to finish in the top 4 at odds of 16-1, so the Europa League should be their realistic aim. Maybe they should be doing better, but they're far away from being a side good enough to challenge for the title.
And Leicester's odds were what exactly?
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Old 13-03-2016, 11:58
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It's going to be interesting to see what they can do with the new money coming into the club. Right now I think they have the bones of a very good side. Could do with three or four players to tighten them up - particularly another striker to provide competition and support for Lukaku, someone with a little more presence than Cleverley in the middle, and a new goalkeeper. I think Martinez will be lucky to hold on to the job, tbh. If the new owners are an ambitious lot they're going to want someone with a better record than him.
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Old 13-03-2016, 12:04
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It's going to be interesting to see what they can do with the new money coming into the club. Right now I think they have the bones of a very good side. Could do with three or four players to tighten them up - particularly another striker to provide competition and support for Lukaku, someone with a little more presence than Cleverley in the middle, and a new goalkeeper. I think Martinez will be lucky to hold on to the job, tbh. If the new owners are an ambitious lot they're going to want someone with a better record than him.
I've heard an Everton fan wanting the Sevilla manager, Unai Emery. I think he'd be a good move forward, if he was going to leave Sevilla.

They've got some good players there, there's real potential in that side, and with some investment they could go far. I don't think Martinez is the man to take them to the next level though.
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Old 13-03-2016, 12:19
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Everton's Premier league record this season:

They have scored 51 goals, the same as Tottenham and one less than Leicester.

They have lost once away from home, the best record in the Premier League. That's title-winning form.

However they have lost seven times at home. Only Palace and Villa have done worse. And they've conceded 26 goals at home, worst record in the Premier League, even worse than Villa who have conceded 23. That's relegation form.

So there's why they're mid-table.
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Old 13-03-2016, 12:46
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Talk about Jekyll and Hyde!
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Old 13-03-2016, 12:54
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Everton's league position doesn't mean they don't have very good players. One could argue Martinez should get more from them.

One wouldn't look at the Chelsea team and league position and come to the conclusion that they have not got quality players..

Just as one wouldn't look at Leicester and say they have better players than the teams around them.
With some of the players Everton have they are underachieving. But I'll say it again, when Martinez was at Wigan despite them playing some good football the defence was awful. Sort that out and I think they would be a lot further up the table than they are.
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Old 13-03-2016, 13:52
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Everton's Premier league record this season:

They have scored 51 goals, the same as Tottenham and one less than Leicester.

They have lost once away from home, the best record in the Premier League. That's title-winning form.

However they have lost seven times at home. Only Palace and Villa have done worse. And they've conceded 26 goals at home, worst record in the Premier League, even worse than Villa who have conceded 23. That's relegation form.

So there's why they're mid-table.
And most would have been from leading positions and having the advantage, but then just chucked away from a win to a loss.
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Old 13-03-2016, 13:59
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Arsenal's young CB Chambers has got great technique for a central defender.
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Old 13-03-2016, 14:00
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How Gabriel wasn't sent off for that assault I have no idea. Shocking ref Andre Marriner.
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Old 13-03-2016, 14:01
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I just do not understand how mariner missed a two footed off the ground studs up "tackle" on,y three yards in front of him!
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Old 13-03-2016, 14:02
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Interesting to see sell styled warrior Troy Deaney getting some of the rough treatment he enjoys dishing out . It's only a few weeks ago he was bragging about bullying the Liverpool CBs and saying they weren't up for a battle,
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Old 13-03-2016, 14:03
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How Gabriel wasn't sent off for that assault I have no idea. Shocking ref Andre Marriner.
As the ref didn't even give a yellow, I wonder if the fa will take retrospective action?
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Old 13-03-2016, 14:04
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Interesting to see sell styled warrior Troy Deaney getting some of the rough treatment he enjoys dishing out . It's only a few weeks ago he was bragging about bullying the Liverpool CBs and saying they weren't up for a battle,
There's rough and there's a 2 footed, off the ground challenge. Still shocked that the ref missed that from less than 5 yards!!
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Old 13-03-2016, 14:04
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I just do not understand how mariner missed a two footed off the ground studs up "tackle" on,y three yards in front of him!
As I've just touched on , The guy on end of the 'tackle' plays on the edge so you live and die by the sword , so to speak.
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Old 13-03-2016, 14:06
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As the ref didn't even give a yellow, I wonder if the fa will take retrospective action?
Well there's no sign of retrospective action being taken against Ivanovic for his off the ball assault , the other night . ( when Chelsea were defending on the edge of their own penalty box) .
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Old 13-03-2016, 14:06
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As I've just touched on , The guy on end of the 'tackle' plays on the edge so you live and die by the sword , so to speak.
It doesn't matter, it was as clear a red card right in front of the Ref as you will ever get.
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Old 13-03-2016, 14:08
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It doesn't matter, it was as clear a red card right in front of the Ref as you will ever get.
Hasn't the got to be an element of ' intent ' though ?? I don't guy went in to hurt him.
They both went in 100% at great speed , someone was bound to get hurt.
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Old 13-03-2016, 14:09
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Another gabriel tackle missed by the ref, he should be on a red and yellow!
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Old 13-03-2016, 14:10
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Anyway the refs just even things out by not giving Arsenal a certain penalty.
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