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Football Neutrals Thread - Part 2
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DUNDEEBOY
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“The top players will want Champions League football, or at the very least the real prospect of it, if they are going to join a club not in it, and that is not something that Liverpool can say with any sense of realism.”

The likes of West Ham will be able to compete with Liverpool for similar players now
carefree_blue
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“I don't think the Europe thing is as big an issue as people make out. If they pay the wages they will attract the players.”

Money talks in most cases. It's not as if Liverpool attracted the top drawer players when they qualified for the Champions League a couple of years back anyway, because they don't pay top dollar.
Stilton Cheesew
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“The top players will want Champions League football, or at the very least the real prospect of it, if they are going to join a club not in it, and that is not something that Liverpool can say with any sense of realism.”

Liverpool aren't competing for the very top players though. They will still get the players that their budget allows and if they increase their budget dramatically players will come for the money and the expectation of what's to come.
owen10
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“he has won three uefa cups back to back. why would he move to everton?”

Why not. Why is Antonio Conte at Chelsea, Why is Guardiola at Man City

Because the Premier League is where the best managers want to be
Stilton Cheesew
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“The likes of West Ham will be able to compete with Liverpool for similar players now”

Not really. West Ham have a budget of 50m all in this summer, Liverpool have more spending power than that.
codeblue
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by owen10:
“Why not. Why is Antonio Conte at Chelsea, Why is Guardiola at Man City

Because the Premier League is where the best managers want to be”

are you actually comparing man city and chelsea to everton?
batdude_uk1
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“The likes of West Ham will be able to compete with Liverpool for similar players now”

Yes, plus West Ham will have the huge added advantage of being able to offer players the chance to play in the Olympic stadium, and of course being a London club, which seems to sway people's thoughts of they are close to selecting a team to play for.

Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“Liverpool aren't competing for the very top players though. They will still get the players that their budget allows and if they increase their budget dramatically players will come for the money and the expectation of what's to come.”

What are these expectations to come though?

Can Liverpool offer the very real prospect of competing for a Champions League place?
They, along with everyone else are in a battle with possibly seven clubs, for those four places.
Players that they could be after, could easily just decide to go to a club where there is more of a realistic chance of Champions League football.
NiteOwl12
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“Liverpool aren't competing for the very top players though. They will still get the players that their budget allows and if they increase their budget dramatically players will come for the money and the expectation of what's to come.”

Exactly, it is not as though Leicester have struggled this season because they have not attracted top players. Having scouts who know what they are doing helps.
batdude_uk1
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“Not really. West Ham have a budget of 50m all in this summer, Liverpool have more spending power than that.”

How may I ask, do you know what West Ham's budget for players in the summer is?
owen10
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“Not really. West Ham have a budget of 50m all in this summer, Liverpool have more spending power than that.”

Oh dont know, with West Hams new stadium they will generate more money, plus the TV money they will get, and if the rumours are true and Dimtri Payet goes to Real Madrid that is even more money for them to spend on players
batdude_uk1
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by NiteOwl12:
“Exactly, it is not as though Leicester have struggled this season because they have not attracted top players. Having scouts who know what they are doing helps.”

Liverpool do not exactly have a good modern history of doing well in the transfer department, and spending their money wisely, that will definitely need to change this summer.
footygirl
18-05-2016
Anyone else impressed with the referee tonight
Stilton Cheesew
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“How may I ask, do you know what West Ham's budget for players in the summer is? ”

Because Sullivan said so.
codeblue
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by footygirl:
“Anyone else impressed with the referee tonight”

he had a great game, every big decision correct.
NiteOwl12
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Liverpool do not exactly have a good modern history of doing well in the transfer department, and spending their money wisely, that will definitely need to change this summer.”

I couldn't disagree with that.
Mark F
18-05-2016
Greater pressure/expectation on Liverpool's league position next season now there is no European football to distract them?
Stilton Cheesew
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“What are these expectations to come though?

Can Liverpool offer the very real prospect of competing for a Champions League place?
They, along with everyone else are in a battle with possibly seven clubs, for those four places.
Players that they could be after, could easily just decide to go to a club where there is more of a realistic chance of Champions League football.”

I made a very simple point.

Currently they dont compete for the very top players so that won't change. They can still compete for players at a certain level, therefore it isn't the disaster some are suggesting.

There is also a new TV deal now, you might not know but that gives added spending power to PL clubs. If Liverpool suddenly decided to really go for it, they will attract players based on the salary they offer. Wont work for everyone but some will come. It happened at City a few years back, the players saw the wages and ambition and took a chance. Clop being there is a draw too. Like I say, it won't work for everyone but will for some.
DUNDEEBOY
18-05-2016
Owen is talking absolute garbage
owen10
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“How may I ask, do you know what West Ham's budget for players in the summer is? ”

Because in the last few days they have made big money bids for Wiljandum and Townsend and today for Lacazette from Lyon
batdude_uk1
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“Owen is talking absolute garbage”

And night follows day, what else is new?
DUNDEEBOY
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by owen10:
“Because in the last few days they have made big money bids for Wiljandum and Townsend and today for Lacazette from Lyon”

Plus two Bournemouth players
dearmrman
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“I made a very simple point.

Currently they dont compete for the very top players so that won't change. They can still compete for players at a certain level, therefore it isn't the disaster some are suggesting.

There is also a new TV deal now, you might not know but that gives added spending power to PL clubs. If Liverpool suddenly decided to really go for it, they will attract players based on the salary they offer. Wont work for everyone but some will come. It happened at City a few years back, the players saw the wages and ambition and took a chance. Clop being there is a draw too. Like I say, it won't work for everyone but will for some.”

This is true, but it applies to every football club in the PL, the footballing world knows about it as well....so all it will mean is those players that would have cost xxxx amount will now cost a higher xxxx amount.
batdude_uk1
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“Because Sullivan said so.”

Ahh, and he is not prone to lying or not speaking the whole truth is he?
We will see, but with said new TV deal, I suspect their budget will be a tad higher than that, as it will be for most clubs.

Originally Posted by owen10:
“Because in the last few days they have made big money bids for Wiljandum and Townsend and today for Lacazette from Lyon”

I think that is just their initial starting point, when the summer activities really get going, we could be seeing some crazy deals.
DUNDEEBOY
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“And night follows day, what else is new? ”

Can't believe he actually said who would you join ahead of Liverpool in the premier league
Stilton Cheesew
18-05-2016
Originally Posted by dearmrman:
“This is true, but it applies to every football club in the PL, the footballing world knows about it as well....so all it will mean is those players that would have cost xxxx amount will now cost a higher xxxx amount.”

I was meaning more in terms of the wages offered to players from abroad. If Liverpool suddenly decided to really push the boat out this summer then they will still attract big players despite not being in Europe.
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