But people can read both?? Your behaviour in here lacks credibility if at the same time you are laughing p your sleeve next door.

Anyway, maybe I'm out of step with how the forum works, not a problem.

That wasn't what I was talking about...

Sheesh! On the previous page 1/3 of all posts were by one person. Does he never stop rabbiting on and on and on?

Spanish sides will have won 10 of the last 16 European finals by the end of next week, I believe. And some people still insist it's a 2-team league.

Sorry, I didn't realise that there was a limit to posting replies.

I do tend to get a tad carried away times though I will admit that!

No, this is where the sensible hat comes into play, whereas the fans thread is where the heart comes into play.

It is possible to separate one from the other when needed, such as in this thread, and I have tried to do just that.

Liverpool played in 2 finals this season and lost them both.

Morning after and the way Liverpool collapsed in the second half feels worse. It is not as though Liverpool had been bravely hanging on against a superior opponent and then were thrown by conceding an early goal in the second half. They had been dominant for much of the first half, could easily have gone in at half time with more than a 1 goal lead and yet were seemingly incapable of rallying after Sevilla hit back and took the lead. It is not so much the way they were outplayed that sticks in the mind, but the way they were crushed mentally, so that at no point in the second half did it appear Liverpool were going to make a game of it. If anyone wants to know what is meant by a team folding then the second half of the UEFA Europa League final 2016 is a near perfect example.

I have a lot of time for Milner, I have watched him since he started playing as a 16 year old for Leeds, but if ever a team needed their captain to provide inspiration and leadership then the second half of this final was it. Nothing, zero, as a captain he might as well have not been on the pitch in the second half (did he even have a quiet word with Moreno or did he simply leave him to stew and spend the whole of the second half as an accident waiting to happen?). And there was apparently no one else on the field to provide the inspiration and drive, to remind the team of how they played in the first half, never mind in Istanbul or against Borussia.

I just hope Steven Gerrard wasn't watching.

Or rather than Liverpool did this, didn't do this....just maybe Sevilla adapted at half time, came out the better team and nullified Liverpool. Congratulations to the team that won and demonstrated better tactics & changes rather than over analyse the losing team.

I agree with you here. Liverpool are still a big club with history and an excellent manager, so I don't know why some don't think they will be able to attract players without CL football.

I'm not sure any of the British press that I listened to yesterday barely gave Sevilla a chance. Everyone had Liverpool winning comfortably. Although their away form in La Liga has been abysmal this year, they have beaten both Barca and Real. On their day they are a top side as shown by their second half performance yesterday. Once it went 1-1 they didn't give us a sniff of the ball, played us off the park.

Sevilla were brilliant in the 2nd half, however we gifted them their 1st goal, swung the momentum their way. I wonder what would have happened had it remained 1-0 till say the 60th minute. We never got a chance to hit them on the counter in the 2nd half at all, that is a big regret, we had them on the ropes at the end of the 1st half.

Trolling the troll - well done!!

I will call on Phil McNulty to support my 'case',

The Spaniards are a very fine side who have now won the Europa League three seasons in succession but they are not Barcelona. Manchester City beat them 3-1 in their own stadium in this season's Champions League.

.....[Liverpool] were weak and shrunk ominously at the first sign of adversity.

..... they looked mentally shot from the moment Sevilla equalised, gave their supporters no hope.

There were no Liverpool leaders on the night and certainly no sense they were about to mount a comeback of Dortmund proportions. This time the final whistle was a mercy.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36326487

I should hastily point out the article has far more to say than my extracts would suggest.

Really? What a surprise comment from you, not.
Any player who chose to play for West Ham ahead of Liverpool wouldn't be doing it for football reasons, they would be doing it for financial reasons or because they wanted to live in London. The reason Klopp came to Liverpool when he could have gone to most other clubs in Europe is because of the club's history and tradition and it's potential, he certainly wouldn't have been interested in the West Ham job.

How many finals has your club played in this season?

He is. He would back any team against Liverpool. I just think it's strange somebody from Dundee should have a strong dislike of Liverpool.

As shit as losing is, getting to finals will always be better than watching them passively.

Liverpool have a large UK fanbase, without question and they have a history in european football both good and bad.

However there are some issues that come in attracting players to every club

Without champions league football, this is a major problem. LFC are not on their own with this, chelsea and Man U are in a similar position, but they are bigger clubs with a more recent history of success than LFC - but they will also struggle because of this.

Another problem is the location of the club. The North West of England is hardly prosperous and thriving, it doesnt seem to have the pull of affluent cities like London, with their excellent transport hubs and glamourous lifestyle.

Clubs like West Ham, in their new stadium and european football, are now going to compete with other top clubs for the same players.

Finance is often a reason quoted in the media, and a lot last night after the defeat, used as leverage to get the best players to all clubs without CL football.

But again, LFC will have to compete with the likes of Spurs, West Ham, Chelsea, Leicester, Arsenal not to mention financial powerhouses like United and Man City with almost unlimited funds

Its going to be interesting, and difficult, for all clubs.

All the top clubs need to strengthen this summer.

That's very quaint thank you. Getting into work on my horse and cart was an absolute nightmare this morning navigating through all the whippets.

lol i didnt mean it was quite that bad, but it seems to be a thing that millionaire players like the draw of London compared with other areas of the uk. The reasons surely must be affluence, glamour and transport?

In a similar way players want to play in Paris rather than Calais.

Manchester's certainly prosperous and thriving, half the media is shifting north for one thing. It's pretty much the second city now, even if Brum protests.

The media was told to move north by the government, the BBC and their staff did not want to leave the bush.

however, i agree that manchester is certainly the second city of the UK now.

I'm not really sure you can compare Manchester and Calais! What is it you think we don't have?

If I recall correctly, according to some Liverpool fans - the only reason Sanchez chose Arsenal over Liverpool was because he wanted to live in London. Did Hummels say no to Klopp only because he wanted to live in Munich too?

And I very much doubt that Klopp could have gone to most other clubs in Europe - certainly not any of the big ones anyway. I know he claims to have turned down Manchester United but that was in 2013, did he turn down any other big clubs this season in favour of Liverpool?

I'm just bored of Liverpool fans/ex players citing their history as a reason to attract players. Young players born in 1995 in Brazil for example don't give a crap what Liverpool won in the 1980s. The majority of players want to play at a high level and win things.