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Football Neutrals Thread - Part 2
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celesti
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“The media was told to move north by the government, the BBC and their staff did not want to leave the bush.

however, i agree that manchester is certainly the second city of the UK now.”

Whatever the reason behind it, they're all there now and money tends to follow. The gentrification was already in overdrive as it was, I can only imagine the smashed avocado and kale sales skyrocketing now.
misawa97
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by Phoebica:
“If I recall correctly, according to some Liverpool fans - the only reason Sanchez chose Arsenal over Liverpool was because he wanted to live in London. Did Hummels say no to Klopp only because he wanted to live in Munich too?

And I very much doubt that Klopp could have gone to most other clubs in Europe - certainly not any of the big ones anyway. I know he claims to have turned down Manchester United but that was in 2013, did he turn down any other big clubs this season in favour of Liverpool?

I'm just bored of Liverpool fans/ex players citing their history as a reason to attract players. Young players born in 1995 in Brazil for example don't give a crap what Liverpool won in the 1980s. The majority of players want to play at a high level and win things.”

History has nothing to do with it. The main thing that swings players is money pure and simple. Location I think plays a part at times with families but more often than not its simply about wages.

Man City started to sign great players because they paid them. PSG sign top players because they pay them. Italian clubs fail to attract top players because they cant pay them what others can.

Club history is a night idealist thought into thinking why a player may sign for any club but it doesn't pay the bills. It's all about the hard cash.
Lawro2
19-05-2016
Money, playing time and potential success are huge factors in determining club attraction.

Sanchez almost certainly joined Arsenal for higher wages, more playing time and competing for trophies. Arsenal regularly feature in the Champions League and Liverpool do not.

Location may play a factor but if you're a millionaire, living in London or Liverpool probably doesn't really make all that much difference, both have their advantages and disadvantages. In London there is less privacy and more congestion, which doesn't appeal to all. Living in Liverpool you can certainly get a far nicer house for the money.
misawa97
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by Lawro2:
“Money, playing time and potential success are huge factors in determining club attraction.

Sanchez almost certainly joined Arsenal for higher wages, more playing time and competing for trophies. Arsenal regularly feature in the Champions League and Liverpool do not.

Location may play a factor but if you're a millionaire, living in London or Liverpool probably doesn't really make all that much difference, both have their advantages and disadvantages. In London there is less privacy and more congestion, which doesn't appeal to all. Living in Liverpool you can certainly get a far nicer house for the money.”

Regularly playing in the CL and getting KO in the last 16 every year isn't appealing to anyone.

Plenty of clubs play in the CL every season. I think the appeal of the CL is for the sides that have genuine chances of winning it rather than just competing.
Lawro2
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“Regularly playing in the CL and getting KO in the last 16 every year isn't appealing to anyone.

Plenty of clubs play in the CL every season. I think the appeal of the CL is for the sides that have genuine chances of winning it rather than just competing.”

Getting knocked out early is still more appealing than not playing in the competition at all.

Clubs that have a greater chance of winning it like Real Madrid and Barca are more appealing hence why all the best players want to join them but if you've got a choice of joining an English team who regularly plays in the champions league and an English team that doesn't then the former will prove more attractive.
misawa97
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by Lawro2:
“Getting knocked out early is still more appealing than not playing in the competition at all.

Clubs that have a greater chance of winning it like Real Madrid and Barca are more appealing hence why all the best players want to join them but if you've got a choice of joining an English team who regularly plays in the champions league and an English team that doesn't then the former will prove more attractive.”

Not for less money though and that's what counts.

A player would gladly choose Man Utd or Liverpool over Spurs or even Arsenal if there being offered significant difference in wages.

I would love to know how many players tell there agents to treat CL football as a higher priority than wages as I cant see there being many.
TheSloth
19-05-2016
The selectiveness on here is interesting. So Liverpool are the only club to cite history as a means to attract players? I've lost count of the times I've said to a United fan in the last few years why they expect to attract the top players if not guaranteeing CL football and they've said "Because we're Manchester United". How is that much different? All clubs use (rightly) their percieved status to attrack players. It's called selling yourself. Even if delusional, clubs/fans have every right to do this - how exactly does it affect other clubs? Maybe because it works occasionally?
Lawro2
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by misawa97:
“Not for less money though and that's what counts.

A player would gladly choose Man Utd or Liverpool over Spurs or even Arsenal if there being offered significant difference in wages.

I would love to know how many players tell there agents to treat CL football as a higher priority than wages as I cant see there being many.”

Equal money, then champions league will make a difference.
TheSloth
19-05-2016
It was someone in the club who confirmed Sanchez was offered more money by Liverpool but still chose to go to Arsenal.

There is definitely a location bias which has grown as players become more and more part of the elite uber rich.
misawa97
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“It was someone in the club who confirmed Sanchez was offered more money by Liverpool but still chose to go to Arsenal.

There is definitely a location bias which has grown as players become more and more part of the elite uber rich.”

Well you can see why London for the super rich is damn attractive place to live. It's one of the top cities in the world.
batdude_uk1
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“The selectiveness on here is interesting. So Liverpool are the only club to cite history as a means to attract players? I've lost count of the times I've said to a United fan in the last few years why they expect to attract the top players if not guaranteeing CL football and they've said "Because we're Manchester United". How is that much different? All clubs use (rightly) their percieved status to attrack players. It's called selling yourself. Even if delusional, clubs/fans have every right to do this - how exactly does it affect other clubs? Maybe because it works occasionally?”

I think there is something to be said for potential, and the potential ability to win a league title, we have now gone three years without a league title, but that is smaller than Liverpool's 26 years without one, so in that sense we have a better ability to put forward a case as to why a player should select us to play for.

No club in this country is guaranteed to finish in the converted top four, unlike in other countries, as the competition is just so fierce, as you could make a case for up to seven, maybe even eight clubs for those places.

So a lot will come down to wages, location, and potential ability.
celesti
19-05-2016
And commas
DavidT
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I think there is something to be said for potential, and the potential ability to win a league title, we have now gone three years without a league title, but that is smaller than Liverpool's 26 years without one, so in that sense we have a better ability to put forward a case as to why a player should select us to play for.

No club in this country is guaranteed to finish in the converted top four, unlike in other countries, as the competition is just so fierce, as you could make a case for up to seven, maybe even eight clubs for those places.

So a lot will come down to wages, location, and potential ability.”

I think we would all like to be in the converted top four.
misawa97
19-05-2016
Quote:
“I think there is something to be said for potential, and the potential ability to win a league title, we have now gone three years without a league title, but that is smaller than Liverpool's 26 years without one”

That doesn't mean anything. Leicester went 106 years without one.

Man Utd as it stands have as much chance of Liverpool of winning the title.
TheSloth
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I think there is something to be said for potential, and the potential ability to win a league title, we have now gone three years without a league title, but that is smaller than Liverpool's 26 years without one, so in that sense we have a better ability to put forward a case as to why a player should select us to play for.

No club in this country is guaranteed to finish in the converted top four, unlike in other countries, as the competition is just so fierce, as you could make a case for up to seven, maybe even eight clubs for those places.

So a lot will come down to wages, location, and potential ability.”

How many players have you got left from that last title win? And do you have the same or a better manager? Which of the two teams have come closest to winning the title in the last three years? Consider all that and it all adds up to.... What a load of cobblers.

A feeble attempt or simply a thinly veiled dig.
Stilton Cheesew
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I think there is something to be said for potential, and the potential ability to win a league title, we have now gone three years without a league title, but that is smaller than Liverpool's 26 years without one, so in that sense we have a better ability to put forward a case as to why a player should select us to play for.”

Potential is looking to the future not the past. Man Utd's potential to win the league next season or the season after has nothing to do with it being three years since they last won one.

Liverpools managerial situation is an advantage they have over Man Utd currently as a draw for a player, on the other hand Id guess Man Utd have bigger budgets. Its swings and roundabouts in that respect as things stand right now.
satellite
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by JoTaylor:
“That's very quaint thank you. Getting into work on my horse and cart was an absolute nightmare this morning navigating through all the whippets.”

Hopefully your cloth cap falling over your eyes and those clogs didn't hinder you trying to get onto your cart on the way to picking up your daily Hovis loaf en-route to the mill Jo.

E-ooop chuck.
satellite
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by Lawro2:
“ In London there is less privacy and more congestion, which doesn't appeal to all. Living in Liverpool you can certainly get a far nicer house for the money.”

I'm not sure the less privacy is true. I'm London born and bred and you see famous people all the time and no one gives two shits.

Footballers mainly live in a bubble anyway, so I'd go with the highest wages argument myself. Money talks. Nice location - that's just a bonus.
TheSloth
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by satellite:
“Hopefully your cloth cap falling over your eyes and those clogs didn't hinder you trying to get onto your cart on the way to picking up your daily Hovis loaf en-route to the mill Jo.

E-ooop chuck.”

Didn't realise Jo was from Yorkshire. Then again, I didn't realise Middlesbrough was in Yorkshire either. Not that I'm comparing Jo to Middlesbrough - smoky and filthy but she's good to the kids etc...
satellite
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“Didn't realise Jo was from Yorkshire. Then again, I didn't realise Middlesbrough was in Yorkshire either. Not that I'm comparing Jo to Middlesbrough - smoky and filthy but she's good to the kids etc... ”

I dunno - anything North of London is the same to me.

Signed Codeblue of Chelsea
NorthernNinny
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by JoTaylor:
“I'm not really sure you can compare Manchester and Calais! What is it you think we don't have?”

Well tbf with all the rain we have in Manchester a boat is the preferred method of transport, not to disimiliar to a channel crossing.
Lawro2
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by satellite:
“I'm not sure the less privacy is true. I'm London born and bred and you see famous people all the time and no one gives two shits.

Footballers mainly live in a bubble anyway, so I'd go with the highest wages argument myself. Money talks. Nice location - that's just a bonus.”

The privacy view is true in some cases just as the money aspect is true.

A player may join a club because it is in the champions league, it really depends on the player's circumstance and preference.

A player may choose to play for Man Utd for a significantly lower salary than West Ham.
batdude_uk1
19-05-2016
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“How many players have you got left from that last title win? And do you have the same or a better manager? Which of the two teams have come closest to winning the title in the last three years? Consider all that and it all adds up to.... What a load of cobblers.

A feeble attempt or simply a thinly veiled dig. ”

It was not ment as a dig at all, sorry if it came across that way.
owen10
19-05-2016
Look most players are going to go to the top clubs that are in London because of the attraction and plus they think it is a better place to live,but some players not bothered about that and just go way the money is
Mark F
19-05-2016
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