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Football Neutrals Thread - Part 2
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misawa97
28-05-2016
Originally Posted by FrostyJim:
“I know the press have been having a right go at our defence a lot recently, but after the last two friendlies I think we have a bigger problem in midfield. Both Turkey and Oz have walked through them with no resistance whenever they have wanted. There's zero steel there and no protection to our shaky back four.”

This. I think England fans should be worried. The shape of the side at times is all over the place. Constantly giving the ball away and to me it's the same old England.
Matt35
28-05-2016
So the hull v weds game is worth 170m. How much of that will the manager of the promoted team get for transfers?
bradybrady
28-05-2016
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“So the hull v weds game is worth 170m. How much of that will the manager of the promoted team get for transfers?”

That will just about cover the agent's fees...
Dandem
28-05-2016
Originally Posted by Captain_America:
“The one thing that did strike me last night about Rashford that I've not noticed watching for Man Utd, is that he seems to have no pace whatsoever.”

This absolutely baffled me last night. The commentators seemed quick to insinuate that Rashford was really fast, that he'll "take some catching", they said these things a couple of times, But anytime he had the opportunity to stretch his legs, he was really slow.
Jamesp84
28-05-2016
He's not lightening quick, but certainly isn't slow, some of his goals for United are evidence of that.
batdude_uk1
28-05-2016
Seeing as next season we will have some very talented managers managing in the Premier League, it got me wondering where in the pantheon of top managers would you put Barcelona's current manager Luis Enrique?

Is he deserving of being called one of the best in the world?
Simeone is regularly classed as such, as is Carlo Ancelotti, and those are two that are regularly mentioned as the two top managers that will not be in the Premier League next season, but does Enrique deserve to be included in that bracket as well?

Is it just because he is at Barcelona and seemingly unattainable at this stage, and that people don't see him in the Premier League, which might hurt his reputation a bit, or is he a genuinely world class manager?
NiteOwl12
28-05-2016
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“He's not lightening quick, but certainly isn't slow, some of his goals for United are evidence of that.”

Like the best strikers, Rashford seems to have a fast footballing brain, he sees quickly where he needs to be and this gives him a crucial edge. Physically he is not exceptionally fast, but combined with his footballing sense he may appear quick where it counts. I would contrast him with, say, Walcott who was lightening quick physically, but appeared to me have a slow footballing brain which accounted for the disappointing end product.
TheSloth
28-05-2016
The Rashford case makes you wonder how many hidden gems we have in U18 and U21 teams. Apparently he wasn't pulling up any trees at that level but some players thrive on adrenaline and the pressure of the big occasion. Conversely, is it simply just adrenaline and the fearlessness of youth? Some young players start like a house on fire but slowly degrade as the weight of expectation increases and the initial buzz fades. Whatever the case, it's always refreshing to see such players emerge from nowhere cod shake things up.
Stilton Cheesew
28-05-2016
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“The Rashford case makes you wonder how many hidden gems we have in U18 and U21 teams. Apparently he wasn't pulling up any trees at that level but some players thrive on adrenaline and the pressure of the big occasion. Conversely, is it simply just adrenaline and the fearlessness of youth? Some young players start like a house on fire but slowly degrade as the weight of expectation increases and the initial buzz fades. Whatever the case, it's always refreshing to see such players emerge from nowhere cod shake things up.”

His development has been a complete fluke. As you say there could be loads more players who may do similar if fortune randomly handed them a chance and they took it.

Rashford comes in for two games and doesn't score? He's back to obscurity. He gets a quick couple of goals and he's on his way to stardom.
misawa97
28-05-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Seeing as next season we will have some very talented managers managing in the Premier League, it got me wondering where in the pantheon of top managers would you put Barcelona's current manager Luis Enrique?

Is he deserving of being called one of the best in the world?
Simeone is regularly classed as such, as is Carlo Ancelotti, and those are two that are regularly mentioned as the two top managers that will not be in the Premier League next season, but does Enrique deserve to be included in that bracket as well?

Is it just because he is at Barcelona and seemingly unattainable at this stage, and that people don't see him in the Premier League, which might hurt his reputation a bit, or is he a genuinely world class manager?”

Not unattainable but I don't see why he would want to leave. It's a good fit for him and vice versa. Barcelona at times is a special case simply because in essence you bend to the will of the club. The identity and ethos of the club means you go there and adopt to how Barcelona do things.
Enrique initially did try and change things and it didn't work and the players reigned him in.

Would class manager? Too early to say so which is kinda crazy considering what his won.
Jamesp84
28-05-2016
Ashley Fletcher, who will line up for Barnsley in the L1 playoff final tomorrow, was ahead of Rashford in the pecking order at United and would probably have been the one to step in if he hadn't gone out on loan.
owen10
28-05-2016
The commentators are calling it the White Rose final. The last time i checked Hull was in Humberside
NorthernNinny
28-05-2016
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“The Rashford case makes you wonder how many hidden gems we have in U18 and U21 teams. Apparently he wasn't pulling up any trees at that level but some players thrive on adrenaline and the pressure of the big occasion. Conversely, is it simply just adrenaline and the fearlessness of youth? Some young players start like a house on fire but slowly degrade as the weight of expectation increases and the initial buzz fades. Whatever the case, it's always refreshing to see such players emerge from nowhere cod shake things up.”

I believe for those who watched the youth teams on MUTV he was pretty highly rated. I think it's the speed at which he's developed and he doesn't seem to be phased by how quickly he's progressed.

He also comes across as a really likeable guy.
Matt35
28-05-2016
So sky will be showing 126 live games next season, more than ever be before. How many did they show this season then?
FMKK
28-05-2016
This play-off final really hasn't been a great game. Hull have been the better side by far though. Wednesday are so wasteful of any opportunity that comes their way.
rhumble
28-05-2016
I thought Wednesday might do it today,, they seem to have the momentum coming into todays game,, but they have been pretty poor in a pretty poor game , if Hull win then they just about deserve it imo
ItHasPotential
28-05-2016
the play acting from the hull keeper is beyond awful.

ref needs to add more time on
FMKK
28-05-2016
Originally Posted by rhumble:
“I thought Wednesday might do it today,, they seem to have the momentum coming into todays game,, but they have been pretty poor in a pretty poor game , if Hull win then they just about deserve it imo”

I was hoping for Wednesday because they haven't been up in ages while Hull are a yo-yo team, but they've been really poor today in my opinion. Either side looks like a cert to go down next season unless there is vast improvement.
ItHasPotential
28-05-2016
penalty to wednesday, on second thoughts its not
richie4eva
28-05-2016
Ah well, never mind

Hull going back up to the Premier League
Jason C
28-05-2016
Wednesday should count themselves lucky they only lost 1-0, they barely made an impact from first whistle to last.

Hull, Burnley and Middlesbrough; three yo-yo clubs who've bounced the right way at the right time to capitalise on the new PL riches.
DUNDEEBOY
28-05-2016
Originally Posted by FMKK:
“I was hoping for Wednesday because they haven't been up in ages while Hull are a yo-yo team, but they've been really poor today in my opinion. Either side looks like a cert to go down next season unless there is vast improvement.”

You have to say three pretty uninspiring teams promoted hull and Burnley up and down like a yoyo over the last few years both squads pretty poor, these teams didn't seem that bothered when they went down the last time.

I wanted Wednesday up as they haven't been up for a while, middlesboro can't see them offering much.

Southern promoted teams seem to offer more and have more ambition
Orchideam
28-05-2016
Love the way Bruce is being praised as the manager that's brought Hull back up to PL 4 times - he's also the manager who took them down at least 3 times as well then?
DUNDEEBOY
28-05-2016
Why was the ground not full
FrostyJim
28-05-2016
Originally Posted by Jason C:
“Wednesday should count themselves lucky they only lost 1-0, they barely made an impact from first whistle to last.

Hull, Burnley and Middlesbrough; three yo-yo clubs who've bounced the right way at the right time to capitalise on the new PL riches.”

Yo-yo? Boro have been in the Championship for seven years and before that were in the Premier League for eleven years.
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