Originally Posted by Grim Fandango:
“Does your mum make them with warm milk, hot water or some kind of yogurt/fruit combo?”
“Does your mum make them with warm milk, hot water or some kind of yogurt/fruit combo?”
Mashed I would imagine.
Football Neutrals Thread - Part 2
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Originally Posted by celesti:
“Do you still think Martial is France's best pure striker out of interest?
You've got one known Premier League quantity listed on either side; Aguero played more games than Rooney over the past two seasons, and scored 50 goals while missing around a dozen games in that period suggesting he's not all that injury prone and that very very good is understating it.
Rashford's been a first team player for about two minutes and Ibrahimovic is a potential league-beater but still unknown in that regard. Man City's convenient 'not much else' includes Wilfried Bony who had a 1 in 2 record with Swansea and Nolito, a Spanish international.
Aguero wins.”
“Do you still think Martial is France's best pure striker out of interest?
You've got one known Premier League quantity listed on either side; Aguero played more games than Rooney over the past two seasons, and scored 50 goals while missing around a dozen games in that period suggesting he's not all that injury prone and that very very good is understating it.
Rashford's been a first team player for about two minutes and Ibrahimovic is a potential league-beater but still unknown in that regard. Man City's convenient 'not much else' includes Wilfried Bony who had a 1 in 2 record with Swansea and Nolito, a Spanish international.
Aguero wins.”
I actually forgot about Nolito.
Some can judge the two sides on paper, using hypotheticals and such. I prefer to look at evidence, and I'm yet to see evidence that Zlatan is a better Premier League striker than Aguero, who for years has been one of the best strikers in the world, and was arguably Suárez's closest competitor when he was in the league.
Rooney hasn't been much of a striker in recent seasons, and when he has been played as a striker he hasn't been prolific. Rashford is still unproven. In comparison to Iheanacho he may well be better, but Aguero alone currently trumps Rooney, Zlatan and Rashford, with Rashford having the potential to be better and Zlatan yet to prove himself in this league.
Even looking on paper I still put Man City ahead of Man United, but I think it will be close, and a lot will obviously depend on injuries/fitness of particular, important players.
Pogba will be a big help if you actually do sign him.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“You asked so I will answer, I think we have a vastly superior goalkeeper, that surely cannot be in doubt, and no one can surely say Hart is better than De Gea???
Defence, if Kompany could stay fit for more than five minutes a game, then he obviously would be the stand out defender, but he seemingly cannot, so I think we are fairly even in terms of defence in the middle, with Shaw back, I would say we have the best fullback on that side, and City have perhaps the better right sided fullback, so fairly even there.
Midfield is where it gets a lot more competitive.
Gundogan once he gets fir, and can stay fit, is one heck of a player, but we still have to wait and see on that, (just as we have to wait and see if for example Jones can get fit, and stay fit).
De Bruyne is good, but Mikataryan is also a fabulous signing, and could be just as affective as him.
On the left hand side Martial is a far better option than Sterling, and Silva beats say Mata.
Then we come to the striking options, we have Ibra, Rashford amd Rooney, they have an injury prone, but very very good when fit Aguero, Idenacho and not much else, so I do think we win in that department.
So whilst it is close, I do think overall we have a better goalkeeper, an even defence, an even midfield, and better striking options.”
“You asked so I will answer, I think we have a vastly superior goalkeeper, that surely cannot be in doubt, and no one can surely say Hart is better than De Gea???
Defence, if Kompany could stay fit for more than five minutes a game, then he obviously would be the stand out defender, but he seemingly cannot, so I think we are fairly even in terms of defence in the middle, with Shaw back, I would say we have the best fullback on that side, and City have perhaps the better right sided fullback, so fairly even there.
Midfield is where it gets a lot more competitive.
Gundogan once he gets fir, and can stay fit, is one heck of a player, but we still have to wait and see on that, (just as we have to wait and see if for example Jones can get fit, and stay fit).
De Bruyne is good, but Mikataryan is also a fabulous signing, and could be just as affective as him.
On the left hand side Martial is a far better option than Sterling, and Silva beats say Mata.
Then we come to the striking options, we have Ibra, Rashford amd Rooney, they have an injury prone, but very very good when fit Aguero, Idenacho and not much else, so I do think we win in that department.
So whilst it is close, I do think overall we have a better goalkeeper, an even defence, an even midfield, and better striking options.”
To be honest who has the best players is totally irrelevant, it's how a team performs as a unit.....does Leicester or Portugal not convince you of that.
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“So with it looking like big Sam will be England manager. What happens with regards Sunderland?”
“So with it looking like big Sam will be England manager. What happens with regards Sunderland?”
Moyes.
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“So with it looking like big Sam will be England manager. What happens with regards Sunderland?”
“So with it looking like big Sam will be England manager. What happens with regards Sunderland?”
I have enjoyed watching Sunderland's great escapes over the last 2 or 3 seasons.
Surely Frank de Boer has to get a job at some point. I would take him over Moyes. Pellegrini for an outside bet.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Premier League 2 replaces the Under 21 league.
http://www.premierleague.com/news/64655”
“Premier League 2 replaces the Under 21 league.
http://www.premierleague.com/news/64655”
Aren't you going to take any further part in the discussion you started in this very thread?
Originally Posted by TheMunch:
“Aren't you going to take any further part in the discussion you started in this very thread?”
“Aren't you going to take any further part in the discussion you started in this very thread?”
Huh?
Which discussion is that?
The City v Utd squad one?
I put my belief down, others I think disagreed with it, I thought that was the end of it, what more is there to say?
Well I'd have thought you'd have had something else to say rather than just suddenly going quiet, since several people made posts on the subject since your post. But whatever.
Originally Posted by TheMunch:
“Well I'd have thought you'd have had something else to say rather than just suddenly going quiet, since several people made posts on the subject since your post. But whatever.”
“Well I'd have thought you'd have had something else to say rather than just suddenly going quiet, since several people made posts on the subject since your post. But whatever.”
I have not gone suddenly silent on it, I thought the discussion had run its course, plus it has been a good few hours since the last or previous post debating it, so I didn't want to be the one who brings it back from the dead so to speak.
If you wish to continue the discussion, or to restart it, then go right ahead.
Resulting in you not commenting on it anymore, which is suddenly going quiet.
If you feel there's nothing left to say then fair enough, it just looked like there could have been.
No, I have nothing to add since my last post since nobody's responded to it.
If you feel there's nothing left to say then fair enough, it just looked like there could have been.
No, I have nothing to add since my last post since nobody's responded to it.
Originally Posted by TheMunch:
“Resulting in you not commenting on it anymore, which is suddenly going quiet.
If you feel there's nothing left to say then fair enough, it just looked like there could have been.
No, I have nothing to add since my last post since nobody's responded to it.”
“Resulting in you not commenting on it anymore, which is suddenly going quiet.
If you feel there's nothing left to say then fair enough, it just looked like there could have been.
No, I have nothing to add since my last post since nobody's responded to it.”
I have learnt my lesson, no point flogging a dead horse so to speak, I would only really be repeating my point of view, as I do think (especially if we get Pogba) that we will have a better squad of players to select from than City, others disagree, and fair enough, that is what is so great about these sort of forums, everyone has a different perspective.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I have learnt my lesson, no point flogging a dead horse so to speak, I would only really be repeating my point of view, as I do think (especially if we get Pogba) that we will have a better squad of players to select from than City, others disagree, and fair enough, that is what is so great about these sort of forums, everyone has a different perspective.”
“I have learnt my lesson, no point flogging a dead horse so to speak, I would only really be repeating my point of view, as I do think (especially if we get Pogba) that we will have a better squad of players to select from than City, others disagree, and fair enough, that is what is so great about these sort of forums, everyone has a different perspective.”
Other suggested that having the best players individually didn't mean one had the best team, that is a little different.
Originally Posted by Stilton Cheesew:
“Other suggested that having the best players individually didn't mean one had the best team, that is a little different.”
“Other suggested that having the best players individually didn't mean one had the best team, that is a little different.”
It is all about having different perspectives, and that is great, a case can be made for either way of looking at things.
Originally Posted by celesti:
“Never tell us how much you like discussion or debate ever again.”
“Never tell us how much you like discussion or debate ever again.”
Okay.....
Originally Posted by Matt35:
“So with it looking like big Sam will be England manager. What happens with regards Sunderland?”
“So with it looking like big Sam will be England manager. What happens with regards Sunderland?”
Sunderland have said they're "angry and disappointed" with the way the FA have handled negotiations with Allardyce - but what could the FA have done differently to appease them?
I think the whole process has only taken about three weeks or so, which seems to me to be quite a compact period to choose and secure a new England manager - and although the details of Allardyce's various meetings with the FA have come out in the press, that was always going to happen by virtue of him being one of the leading candidates for the job from the outset.
Admittedly this whole process has happened right in the middle of Sunderland's pre-season, but that's just a pure accident of the timing of the vacancy and not the FA's problem at all.
Sunderland's complaints seem completely groundless to me.
I think this Man U vs Man City argument is an interesting one. I watch a lot of fan channels on YouTube and the Full-Time Devils have almost categorically said that other than De Gea, they don't have a world beater in their squad. Zlatan, Schweinsteiger and Rooney are world beaters of yesteryear. I can see any of them beating their like-for-like counterparts at City.
Defensively both teams will improve under their new managers and if United can bring in a top class centre back, they could probably just edge it providing Shaw regains his fitness and starts firing on all cylinders - every England across the country hopes he does.
Midfield, it has to be City. Gündoğan, De Bruyne, Nolito and David Silva beat out every United player man for man with perhaps the exception of Mkhitaryan who is a very, very good signing. Who knows how Sterling and Martial will perform or whether they'll even be deployed. I imagine both will and obviously Martial will come out the stronger of the two but still, I think City have a much better overall unit.
Going forward you'd probably say Man Utd but you just cannot predict how Zlatan will adjust and how Rooney will perform now he's being ushered back into a more forward role. Can he hold down the number 10 with younger prospects snapping at his heels? Aguero is clearly the best of the lot but it all depends on his fitness. That being said, I can see City plucking a superstar out the market to push them a head.
So on balance, you'd have to say Man City. Here would be my combined 11, providing everyone is fully fit:
De Gea,
Zabaleta
Smalling
Kompany
Shaw
Gündoğan (CM)
Fernandinho (CM)
Mkhitaryan (RAM)
De Bruyne (CAM)
David Silva (LAM)
Agüero
Defensively both teams will improve under their new managers and if United can bring in a top class centre back, they could probably just edge it providing Shaw regains his fitness and starts firing on all cylinders - every England across the country hopes he does.
Midfield, it has to be City. Gündoğan, De Bruyne, Nolito and David Silva beat out every United player man for man with perhaps the exception of Mkhitaryan who is a very, very good signing. Who knows how Sterling and Martial will perform or whether they'll even be deployed. I imagine both will and obviously Martial will come out the stronger of the two but still, I think City have a much better overall unit.
Going forward you'd probably say Man Utd but you just cannot predict how Zlatan will adjust and how Rooney will perform now he's being ushered back into a more forward role. Can he hold down the number 10 with younger prospects snapping at his heels? Aguero is clearly the best of the lot but it all depends on his fitness. That being said, I can see City plucking a superstar out the market to push them a head.
So on balance, you'd have to say Man City. Here would be my combined 11, providing everyone is fully fit:
De Gea,
Zabaleta
Smalling
Kompany
Shaw
Gündoğan (CM)
Fernandinho (CM)
Mkhitaryan (RAM)
De Bruyne (CAM)
David Silva (LAM)
Agüero
Silva didn't do much last season, so I would have Martial over him, but admittedly it is a close call between the pair of them.
If people are taking a wait and see approach in regards to Ibra, then surely that should also apply to Gundogan, especially as he is coming back from an injury, sad thus will not have any pre-season with City.
There are major concerns surely about Kompany and his fitness, if he is fit, fair enough including him, but he is running Jones close in the injury prone centre-back department.
Overall my team would be:-
De Gea
Shaw
Smalling
Kompany (if fit, if not then Blind)
Kolorov
Schneiderlin
Fernandinho
Martial
Mikatarayn
De Bruyne
Aguero (if fit, if not then Ibra).
If people are taking a wait and see approach in regards to Ibra, then surely that should also apply to Gundogan, especially as he is coming back from an injury, sad thus will not have any pre-season with City.
There are major concerns surely about Kompany and his fitness, if he is fit, fair enough including him, but he is running Jones close in the injury prone centre-back department.
Overall my team would be:-
De Gea
Shaw
Smalling
Kompany (if fit, if not then Blind)
Kolorov
Schneiderlin
Fernandinho
Martial
Mikatarayn
De Bruyne
Aguero (if fit, if not then Ibra).
Batdude, I'm a big fan of Schneiderlin and I'm hoping he's given an opputunity to prove himself this season. I think under Jose he can return to the kind of form that peaked the interest of all the big clubs in the first place. I was tempted to put him alongside Gündoğan but I think Ferdinando has gone under the radar a little at City, an unsung hero if you will, quietly plugging away while the likes of Toure stole the limelight and Silva, Aguero and co got the plaudits.
As for Gündoğan, we could argue the same for Mkhitaryan but the difference between them and Zlatan is their age and the competitiveness of the leagues they've just come from.
And SC, I don't see how this isn't relevant to who is the better team. On paper and based on recent standing in the league, Man City have been better. Whether that continues to be the case remains to be seen but I think both managers have a lot to do in the next couple of seasons, neither are close to being the finished article.
Right now, I'd argue that Chelsea and Arsenal have the more complete squads on paper and I'm confident Conte will address a lot the problems that Chelsea had last season while Arsenal just need to a centre back and a striker and a little bit of luck.
As for Gündoğan, we could argue the same for Mkhitaryan but the difference between them and Zlatan is their age and the competitiveness of the leagues they've just come from.
And SC, I don't see how this isn't relevant to who is the better team. On paper and based on recent standing in the league, Man City have been better. Whether that continues to be the case remains to be seen but I think both managers have a lot to do in the next couple of seasons, neither are close to being the finished article.
Right now, I'd argue that Chelsea and Arsenal have the more complete squads on paper and I'm confident Conte will address a lot the problems that Chelsea had last season while Arsenal just need to a centre back and a striker and a little bit of luck.
So Sunderland want David Moyes as their new manager
Well at least the style of football will be the same
But i think they will probably be fighting relegation again
Well at least the style of football will be the same
But i think they will probably be fighting relegation again
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