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Football Neutrals Thread - Part 2
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Monkey Harris
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by Nova21:
“As well as performing well as an individual and making their money back on him, they would still want him to be helping towards them winning trophies though as you said earlier to be seen as a good buy wouldn't they?”

Oh no doubt, I was just confused by Codeblue's take on the transfer. He was saying that Pogba was overpriced yet at the same time saying that he would be in Spain in a couple of years.

If Pogba is in Spain in a couple of years that means he has been playing well and in order to buy him it will cost more than £100m.

If Man Utd are in a situation where they can make money selling him I don't see how you can suggest they have paid too much for him now, that's all.
richie4eva
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by zieler:
“Do you think you'll get a marquee signing? Seen a lot of links but nothing concrete.”

Not in time for the start of the season anyway

Still think we need an established goalkeeper, midfielder, and a striker as Lukaku will probably leave at some point in this window or in January

The Witsel talk has gone very quiet, and the Draxler rumour is exactly that...No way would we get him as he would want regular CL football and we can't provide that
dearmrman
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by richie4eva:
“Not in time for the start of the season anyway

Still think we need an established goalkeeper, midfielder, and a striker as Lukaku will probably leave at some point in this window or in January

The Witsel talk has gone very quiet, and the Draxler rumour is exactly that...No way would we get him as he would want regular CL football and we can't provide that”

Samir Nasri, could be had for a bit of a bargain. Hart might be a good try for a keeper, if Pep has no plans for him.
zieler
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by richie4eva:
“Not in time for the start of the season anyway

Still think we need an established goalkeeper, midfielder, and a striker as Lukaku will probably leave at some point in this window or in January

The Witsel talk has gone very quiet, and the Draxler rumour is exactly that...No way would we get him as he would want regular CL football and we can't provide that”

I'd guessed the plan was for Stekelenburg to be the goalkeeper for this year at least.
Bulge_
09-08-2016
Every transfer my club make is great, every transfer other clubs make are crap and over priced.

...am I doing it right?
zieler
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by Bulge_:
“Every transfer my club make is great, every transfer other clubs make are crap and over priced.

...am I doing it right?”

Yep. Personally I can't believe City have spent £7000 trillion on Stones, wages of 2000 tonnes of gold a week as well. And don't get me on the agents fee, a pet chimera is just so outrageous. Thankfully, my club would never spend money like that.
codeblue
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by NorthernNinny:
“Liverpool want pretty much the same amount they paid for Benteke to sell him. That's the market now.”

Its quite ridiculous.

how can benteke be worth more as a failure as he was a a decent player?
codeblue
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by zieler:
“Yep. Personally I can't believe City have spent £7000 trillion on Stones, wages of 2000 tonnes of gold a week as well. And don't get me on the agents fee, a pet chimera is just so outrageous. Thankfully, my club would never spend money like that.”

has this added to the discussion?
zieler
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“has this added to the discussion?”

Did your claims Pogba cost £290,000,000?
codeblue
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by zieler:
“Did your claims Pogba cost £290,000,000?”

i never claimed that at all

I claimed he would cost £120m in total, and when its shaken down today it looks like i was very accurate.

£89m plus the £20m fees plus the £5m add ons.

His wages are around Three Hundred Thousand pounds a week.
zieler
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“i never claimed that”

Originally Posted by codeblue:
“There are £290,000.000 reasons why he didnt want to go anywhere else, plus the £20,000,000 his agent received from brokering the deal.

He certainly didnt come because of CL football, or to link up with Fellaini”

My mistake, I forgot to add the 20m extra.
Monkey Harris
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“Its quite ridiculous.

how can benteke be worth more as a failure as he was a a decent player?”

Its inflation Codeblue. If everyone has more money it pushes up the prices. That's all we are seeing going on here. You cannot compare what a player was worth last year to this year because everyone wallet has got fatter. Selling clubs know this.

Given that inflation, Benteke going for the same money is actually a reduction in his value.
Jamesp84
09-08-2016
Juventus are paying the agent's fee supposedly.
The_don1
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“Its quite ridiculous.

how can benteke be worth more as a failure as he was a a decent player?”

Because the transfer market has changed since those day.

Its because Liverpool are in a very strong position.

Because Palace even with the money would find it hard to attract players such as this

Because his valuation in 2015 was 32.5m

Because Strikers often come at a premium price (more so with one who has scored 50 odd goals here)
Bulge_
09-08-2016
£89m does seem absurd, even playing the game of 'Well A cost B and X cost Y'..and the obligatory mention of Andy Carroll, but if you look at how much clubs earn these days and what the value of the clubs are, even excluding 'sugar daddy' owned clubs, the £89m paid for Pogba probably represents a smaller dent in the club's finances than £3.75m did for Keane in the early 90s.
JoTaylor
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“Juventus are paying the agent's fee supposedly.”

Turin, 9 August 2016 – Juventus Football Club S.p.A. announces that an agreement has been finalized with Manchester United Football Club Limited for the definitive transfer of the registration rights of the player Paul Labile Pogba for a consideration of € 105 million to be paid in two financial years. The consideration may increase of € 5 million on achieving given conditions in the course of the duration of the contract.
The economic effect is positive for about € 72.6 million, net of solidarity subsidy and auxiliary expenses
Jim De Ville
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“i never claimed that at all

I claimed he would cost £120m in total, and when its shaken down today it looks like i was very accurate.

£89m plus the £20m fees plus the £5m add ons.

His wages are around Three Hundred Thousand pounds a week.”

If Juventus are indeed paying the agent's fees, and assuming that Pogba hasn't yet met any of the targets required to trigger the add-ons, you're about £30m out. Far from 'very accurate'.

Therefore, I'll take your claims about wages with a pinch of salt, as figures don't appear to be your strong point.
NorthernNinny
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“Its quite ridiculous.

how can benteke be worth more as a failure as he was a a decent player?”

He's not but if a club chooses to pay over the odds for him then that's their call.

In the same way city want around 17 million for Nasri.
batdude_uk1
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by Bulge_:
“£89m does seem absurd, even playing the game of 'Well A cost B and X cost Y'..and the obligatory mention of Andy Carroll, but if you look at how much clubs earn these days and what the value of the clubs are, even excluding 'sugar daddy' owned clubs, the £89m paid for Pogba probably represents a smaller dent in the club's finances than £3.75m did for Keane in the early 90s.”

Veron and Rio were more costly to us, in terms relative turnover at the time of their signings, then Pogba today.
Bulge_
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Veron and Rio were more costly to us, in terms relative turnover at the time of their signings, then Pogba today.”

They were, but Veron was a bloody awful deal for all concerned so I'm not sure if we should be citing that
NorthernNinny
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by Bulge_:
“They were, but Veron was a bloody awful deal for all concerned so I'm not sure if we should be citing that ”

We still somehow managed to get some of the money back after selling him to Chelsea though.😁😁
Makosi's pants
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by NorthernNinny:
“We still somehow managed to get some of the money back after selling him to Chelsea though.😁😁”

Now that was a good bit of business.

Not so sure about Stones to City though. He may become even better on the ball but I doubt that move will tighten his defensive skills. Maybe he'll learn for Kompany, if Vincent stays fit...
NorthernNinny
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by Makosi's pants:
“Now that was a good bit of business.

Not so sure about Stones to City though. He may become even better on the ball but I doubt that move will tighten his defensive skills. Maybe he'll learn for Kompany, if Vincent stays fit...”

He can't be any worse than the chuckle brothers imo.

They've spent a tidy sum trying to sort out the defense though.
Jamesp84
09-08-2016
I think he'll do alright there. Whatever his faults are, he is good on the ball and Guardiola likes that sort of CB. At Barca and Bayern he had to resort to converting Mascherano and Javi Martinez to get that type of defender.

He's a talented player who could be very good with the right coaching.
TheMunch
09-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“I think he'll do alright there. Whatever his faults are, he is good on the ball and Guardiola likes that sort of CB. At Barca and Bayern he had to resort to converting Mascherano and Javi Martinez to get that type of defender.

He's a talented player who could be very good with the right coaching.”

Yeah I think he's a Guardiola-type defender, and he's young enough to improve other areas. If a manager like Guardiola spends that kind of money on a young player then he must have faith in him. Mourinho was also willing to spend a similar amount of money, too, so two of the best managers in the world seem to rate him highly enough.

It might be a high price but there's a lot of inflation this season. After a poor season then he probably wouldn't have gone for more than Everton turned down last season but add in the inflation and it's not too surprising. If he had a poor season and the market was the same you'd probably be looking at £30m, which includes the Premier League/English tax.
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