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Old 10-08-2016, 11:47
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And yet he is in charge of the 2nd highest rated international team!
And you called it a ridiculous appointment and how it shows how ridiculous football has become and how it would not happen in any other industry etc etc etc and yet now you are using it to back up your views.,
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Old 10-08-2016, 11:58
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Are you actually saying tat they type of football played in spain and the PL are the same?

I find that absurd.
No I am not saying that. I am saying that not every side Barcelona faces doesn't not press high. Some will some wont.

Just as not every game in Italy is played at a snails pace and is all defensive (Another myth).

Whether it be Barcelona, Bayern or now City Guardiola will face sides where his opponents try and press from the front to stop his defenders playing. His faced it before and like I said not every side in the EPL presses like that anyway. In fact most do not.
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Old 10-08-2016, 12:01
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Look you quote clearly were not joking as you have done the same thing throughout this thread and are ruining it for everyone else. Please try to think before you rush to post that's all it takes.
I was clearly joking, I think I know what I was doing as I was the one that posted it!

As I say Kompany is an excellent defender, and Stones will (hopefully from an England national team perspective) learn from him, and improve his defending which is still suspect, despite his huge price tag.
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Old 10-08-2016, 12:10
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And you called it a ridiculous appointment and how it shows how ridiculous football has become and how it would not happen in any other industry etc etc etc and yet now you are using it to back up your views.,
Something that you disagreed with!

So you are saying that martinez was a good manager and belgium made a good appointment

and yet saying that stones didnt learn from martinez because he was a terrible everton manager.

Quite inconsistent there!
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Old 10-08-2016, 12:11
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It's a cracking thought process from the Belgian FA. Their defence was all square pegs in round holes, so who do they call?
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Old 10-08-2016, 12:12
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I was clearly joking, I think I know what I was doing as I was the one that posted it!

As I say Kompany is an excellent defender, and Stones will (hopefully from an England national team perspective) learn from him, and improve his defending which is still suspect, despite his huge price tag.
Please stop the patronising responses. It;s obvious what you did, please stop pretending otherwise.
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Old 10-08-2016, 12:16
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Please stop the patronising responses. It;s obvious what you did, please stop pretending otherwise.
It seems we are not going to agree here, you have it set in your mind, and no amount of answers from me will change that, so let's move on.
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Old 10-08-2016, 14:12
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Pep. Outstanding manager yes, outstanding defensive coach? Two very different things.

Its not as easy as the manager being responsible for improving players, pep cannot take a good CB and make them a fantastic CB.

In Spain, defenders are allowed to receive the ball from the keeper, bring it out and pass it forward. However, in the PL if i were playing against city, i would ask one of my players to hound stones all game, never giving him a second on the ball.

If he doesnt hoof it up field straightaway, you will get at least one error out of him in 90 minutes, probably more.

Most of the successful CBs in PL history are of a certain type. Terry, Carragher, Vidic, Stam, Kompany, even Huth last year.

Stones doesnt fit with them.
That wholly remains to be seen. The way he sets out his team and has won trophies suggests he likes footballing centre backs and even the best ones he's had can be mistake prone at times.

From what you have watched of Stones, do you think he has the potential to be one of the best defenders in the world?
Why not, I'd imagine he has the same scope as any other 22 year old in world football.

[quote=codeblue;83521415]Stones has played for england 10 times, but he is not an england international. /QUOTE]

He is.

I don't know if £50m will be decent value for money if he has a good decade in the team, as they could have invested say £20m in a different young centre back now who could perform to the same level as Stones in the next decade
Names please.

Oh come on, I was clearly just joking around, of course Kompany when fit is an excellent defender, that goes without saying really.
I think if you acknowledged his ability proactively rather than being forced into doing so to try and get yourself out of another silly mess, it might read more as a joke than a trademark dig.

It seems we are not going to agree here, you have it set in your mind, and no amount of answers from me will change that, so let's move on.
All that's being said is its a neutrals thread and you don't always come over as especially neutral. Codeblue has made a post above with their observations about Stones and they are critical but fair, a world removed from "what will he learn from someone who's injured all the time".

Nothing wrong with supporting your club, we all support to the hilt but no point trying to redress the balance after the initial horse has bolted, we all have to balance the plaudits and criticism fairly in this one without having to be prompted.
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Old 10-08-2016, 14:33
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Jeez Bolasie cost that much. English Football really is going crazy.

Average players demanding huge fees like that.
<points at Lazar Markovic and Dejan Lovren>

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Old 10-08-2016, 16:38
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Sky Sports News HQ ‏@SkySportsNewsHQ 2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING NEWS: Everton sign Ashley Williams from Swansea on three-year contract for undisclosed fee. #SSNHQ
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Old 10-08-2016, 16:58
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Sky Sports News HQ ‏@SkySportsNewsHQ 2m2 minutes ago

BREAKING NEWS: Everton sign Ashley Williams from Swansea on three-year contract for undisclosed fee. #SSNHQ
Pretty good signing for Everton, that.

Knows the league, experienced, solid, and has previously avoided an attempted murder rap.

Got to fear for Swansea, mind.
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Old 10-08-2016, 18:23
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Pretty good signing for Everton, that.

Knows the league, experienced, solid, and has previously avoided an attempted murder rap.

Got to fear for Swansea, mind.
Bargin and just what Everton needed as a replacement for Stones.

I think Everton will do well this coming season, Swansea on the other hand, well they are one of the teams who I think could be heading for relegation.
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Old 10-08-2016, 19:00
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Even better news for Everton...Omaur Niasse could be loaned out to Crystal Palace
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Old 10-08-2016, 21:15
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Aston Villa manage to become even more embarrassing and what a ridiculous own goal. Laughable
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Old 10-08-2016, 21:33
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Villa have managed to start the season playing even worse than they did last season - which is some achievement!
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Old 10-08-2016, 21:59
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Villa have managed to start the season playing even worse than they did last season - which is some achievement!
Put money on them going down, rdm was a terrible appointment for them

Future endeavoured by Christmas
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Old 10-08-2016, 22:02
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Put money on them going down, rdm was a terrible appointment for them

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He will need to be in the running for promotion for November for sure.

If not he will be shown the door
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Old 10-08-2016, 22:04
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I've got a fair bit of sympathy for Villa fans.

That club has been grossly mismanaged for years.
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Old 10-08-2016, 22:17
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I'm enjoying it a little. If they drop down to League One quicker than we did I'll laugh my head off, even if they'll get straight back out while we languish here forever.
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Old 10-08-2016, 22:21
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Why can't sky show these penalty shootouts live?
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Old 10-08-2016, 22:27
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I'm enjoying it a little. If they drop down to League One quicker than we did I'll laugh my head off, even if they'll get straight back out while we languish here forever.
They appear to be ripe for a Leeds/Sheffield Wednesday-style, multi-year purgatory.

Your mob are paying the price for never appointing Dublin as manager. You can see the pain and longing in his eyes, whenever he's showing us round some run-down, flea-infested, one-bedroom pit in London, with a guide price of £450,000.
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Old 10-08-2016, 22:30
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Put money on them going down, rdm was a terrible appointment for them

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He got West Brom promoted from the same division, so I don't think it's a bad appointment on paper. He's inherited a real mess at that club though, it may take a while to sort out.
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Old 10-08-2016, 22:40
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How come only half of this draw is live?
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Old 11-08-2016, 00:06
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I think Di Matteo now realises what his taken on.

There is a culture of losing and the players are mentally weak. They probably believe they will lose so when falling behind they are finished.

Any manager with clout wouldn't take that job.
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Old 11-08-2016, 01:12
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They appear to be ripe for a Leeds/Sheffield Wednesday-style, multi-year purgatory.

Your mob are paying the price for never appointing Dublin as manager. You can see the pain and longing in his eyes, whenever he's showing us round some run-down, flea-infested, one-bedroom pit in London, with a guide price of £450,000.
Both the Sheffield clubs, not just Wednesday have been out of the top flight for a while now.

Villa following suit would sadly not surprise me, as unlike Newcastle, there doesn't seem to be much ambition at the club.

Bolton could be what they turn into if they are not careful.
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