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Old 30-08-2016, 22:01
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redknapp on sky already saying that "he is not that type of player"

quinn "he withdrew the power at the last second"
Well tbh I've never even seen KunA even foul anyone let alone do anything malicious or try and hurt someone . I'm surprised he's been charged as the ref was just a few yards away and looking directly at the two players SO how could he have missed the incident.

The other point is that after watching the the clip numerous times in slow motion it's clear that he didn't even touch the guy with his elbow - the contact was made with the back of his hand /wrist and sadly it cought the guy in in throat which would have been painful .

I still think that he was reckless but there was no intent to hurt the guy .
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Old 30-08-2016, 22:13
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Well tbh I've never even seen KunA even foul anyone let alone do anything malicious or try and hurt someone . I'm surprised he's been charged as the ref was just a few yards away and looking directly at the two players SO how could he have missed the incident.

The other point is that after watching the the clip numerous times in slow motion it's clear that he didn't even touch the guy with his elbow - the contact was made with the back of his hand /wrist and sadly it cought the guy in in throat which would have been painful .

I still think that he was reckless but there was no intent to hurt the guy .
Pretty much this, silly from him but it wasn't an elbow. I'm actually not too bothered about him getting the ban as by the United game hopefully Gundogan and Sane will be fit so I think we'll play with a false 9 with 4 or 5 players all moving fluidly around the attacking area with Gundogan dictating.
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Old 30-08-2016, 22:15
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Well tbh I've never even seen KunA even foul anyone let alone do anything malicious or try and hurt someone . I'm surprised he's been charged as the ref was just a few yards away and looking directly at the two players SO how could he have missed the incident.

The other point is that after watching the the clip numerous times in slow motion it's clear that he didn't even touch the guy with his elbow - the contact was made with the back of his hand /wrist and sadly it cought the guy in in throat which would have been painful .

I still think that he was reckless but there was no intent to hurt the guy .
So the fact he missed with his elbow makes him not guilty? The fact he had his fist clenched is a sign he meant to elbow him, even if he missed, the intent was still there.
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Old 30-08-2016, 22:19
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Jack Wilshere is listening to loan offers from Palace, Watford, Bournemouth, Benfica and Sporting Lisbon


Probably go to one of the latter as they are in Europe..
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Old 30-08-2016, 22:27
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Well tbh I've never even seen KunA even foul anyone let alone do anything malicious or try and hurt someone . I'm surprised he's been charged as the ref was just a few yards away and looking directly at the two players SO how could he have missed the incident.

The other point is that after watching the the clip numerous times in slow motion it's clear that he didn't even touch the guy with his elbow - the contact was made with the back of his hand /wrist and sadly it cought the guy in in throat which would have been painful .

I still think that he was reckless but there was no intent to hurt the guy .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDDOxa_0PG0

And it shouldn't matter if there isn't contact with the elbow, the intent is enough to get the ban. If you throw a punch at someone and you miss, you should still get banned.
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Old 30-08-2016, 22:29
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So the fact he missed with his elbow makes him not guilty? The fact he had his fist clenched is a sign he meant to elbow him, even if he missed, the intent was still there.
He made contact with his wrist though which isn't even close to being an elbow .

I've already said that it was a reckless thing to do but not malicious . He should have got a yellow at the time but he certainly doesn't deserve a ban of any length IMHO .
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Old 30-08-2016, 22:32
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDDOxa_0PG0

And it shouldn't matter if there isn't contact with the elbow, the intent is enough to get the ban. If you throw a punch at someone and you miss, you should still get banned.
It wasn't a punch though ... I think he was just frustrated at not getting any protection from the ref ( throughout the match ) and decided to give the other guy a bit back .
It goes on all the time ....
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Old 30-08-2016, 22:44
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It wasn't a punch though ... I think he was just frustrated at not getting any protection from the ref ( throughout the match ) and decided to give the other guy a bit back .
It goes on all the time ....
I'm sure it does, but it doesn't excuse the action. I think he got away with something a few years back if I remember so I won't be shedding any tears over the charge,
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Old 30-08-2016, 22:54
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I'm sure it does, but it doesn't excuse the action. I think he got away with something a few years back if I remember so I won't be shedding any tears over the charge,
Of course your not, one of the best strikers in the world and now you don't have to face him, I wouldn't expect anything less..
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Old 30-08-2016, 22:59
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Of course your not, one of the best strikers in the world and now you don't have to face him, I wouldn't expect anything less..
I think that you're looking at it a little too sympathetically.

It was a nailed-on red card offence. No point in trying to defend it.
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Old 30-08-2016, 23:00
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He made contact with his wrist though which isn't even close to being an elbow .

I've already said that it was a reckless thing to do but not malicious . He should have got a yellow at the time but he certainly doesn't deserve a ban of any length IMHO .
And how many "head-butts" are actually head-butts or even make contact? It's irrelevant what actually happened or the perceived character of the player - the intent was clearly there and that's the key - the defender was lucky he didn't get caught more seriously and Aguero couldn't have fine-tuned his actions (given his position) to guarantee that was the case so it was reckless and potentially dangerous.
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Old 30-08-2016, 23:04
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'KunA'?

Suddenly 'Wazza' doesn't seem so bad.
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Old 30-08-2016, 23:07
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I think that you're looking at it a little too sympathetically.

It was a nailed-on red card offence. No point in trying to defend it.
I'm trying to imagine my reaction to the incident if it was Rooney or Fellaini as I don't see anything malicious in there, just a flailing arm which I can guarantee you'll see in a few matches next week that'll go unpunished.

The bit I don't understand if Marriner saying he didn't see it, it's blatantly obvious he had the best view yet didn't give anything.

I'd rather they could come out and say they've got decisions wrong than have to say they didn't see it.
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Old 30-08-2016, 23:08
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I'm sure it does, but it doesn't excuse the action. I think he got away with something a few years back if I remember so I won't be shedding any tears over the charge,
I recall a very nasty challenge last season which was only caught in slow motion. He's by no means an angel but I'm not surprised given the amount of grief he gets off of defenders each and every game. Everyone has a threshold.
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Old 30-08-2016, 23:14
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I'm trying to imagine my reaction to the incident if it was Rooney or Fellaini as I don't see anything malicious in there, just a flailing arm which I can guarantee you'll see in a few matches next week that'll go unpunished.

The bit I don't understand if Marriner saying he didn't see it, it's blatantly obvious he had the best view yet didn't give anything.

I'd rather they could come out and say they've got decisions wrong than have to say they didn't see it.
Come on, BP, you're usually a pretty fair poster. It wasn't a 'flailing arm' at all. He swung an elbow, with intent.

You can criticise the referee by all means, but it doesn't change the reality of the incident.
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Old 30-08-2016, 23:21
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Come on, BP, you're usually a pretty fair poster. It wasn't a 'flailing arm' at all. He swung an elbow, with intent.

You can criticise the referee by all means, but it doesn't change the reality of the incident.
Fair enough, he'll probably be on one of his 6 week injury lay offs anyway now.
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Old 30-08-2016, 23:25
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Fair enough, he'll probably be on one of his 6 week injury lay offs anyway now.
I wouldn't worry too much. As great as he is, you have enough in reserve to still be a massive headache for opponents.
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Old 30-08-2016, 23:28
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Fair enough, he'll probably be on one of his 6 week injury lay offs anyway now.
He might be faking it.
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Old 31-08-2016, 02:54
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It's about time Aguero's luck ran out with escaping bans. He's been very fortuitous up till now (stamps on David Luiz and Mark Noble to name a couple of incidents where he showed his dirtier side).
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Old 31-08-2016, 08:58
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I genuinely can't understand how anyone can even be trying to defend his actions on the basis of not making contact with the elbow. At the end of the day he tried to elbow someone in the face and that is what matters.
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Old 31-08-2016, 09:00
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I genuinely can't understand how anyone can even be trying to defend his actions on the basis of not making contact with the elbow. At the end of the day he tried to elbow someone in the face and that is what matters.
Exactly, its about intent

a two footed wild lunge gets a red card even if it doesnt break a players leg
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Old 31-08-2016, 09:16
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As usual, rival fans will always spend much more time analysing such incidents in the prosecutor stance than similar incidents involving their own players (who they'll mostly defend or stay strategically quiet about). That's just par for tie course being a football fan.

Fact remains, he's guilty and has been rightly charged.
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Old 31-08-2016, 09:24
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Come on, BP, you're usually a pretty fair poster. It wasn't a 'flailing arm' at all. He swung an elbow, with intent.

You can criticise the referee by all means, but it doesn't change the reality of the incident.
Yes, there was malicious intent there, there was definitely power behind that elbow.
He meant to do damage to his opponent, and he was very lucky to get away with it during the match.
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Old 31-08-2016, 09:26
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I wouldn't worry too much. As great as he is, you have enough in reserve to still be a massive headache for opponents.
To be fair though, Indeacho is a mighty good young player, but is not quite in the same category as Aguero just yet, so it is fairly understandable, if some City fans were worried about this short ban.
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Old 31-08-2016, 09:35
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To be fair though, Indeacho is a mighty good young player, but is not quite in the same category as Aguero just yet, so it is fairly understandable, if some City fans were worried about this short ban.
Very few players are in 'the same category' as Aguero. It doesn't stop City being dangerous in other ways.

Oh, and it's Iheanacho. C&P is your friend.
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