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Old 01-09-2016, 21:16
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Man City are appealing against Aguero's charge. According to some people on twitter they are trying to argue that the referee saw it and chose not to act so Aguero can't be punished. Almost no chance it's successful if that is the defence, for it to work I think the FA would have to entertain the idea that the referee lied in his report, can't see them doing that.
Edit: Oops sorry seen it mentioned already.
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Old 01-09-2016, 21:19
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Don't really agree. The point of the frivolous appeal rule was to stop teams trying to delay a ban to get a player to play in a match, that's not what this is. Even if it is a crap defence it's not trying to game the system.
I think they are trying to get him to be able to play in the derby match, I don't think that they mind him missing for the game(s) after that, so I think this could be a delaying tactic.
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Old 01-09-2016, 21:34
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I think they are trying to get him to be able to play in the derby match, I don't think that they mind him missing for the game(s) after that, so I think this could be a delaying tactic.
No they're not. The FA changed it years ago so the process is incredibly quick to avoid anything like that happening and even if they hadn't, the derby is over a week away. To claim that they are trying to get him to play in the derby is idiotic.
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Old 01-09-2016, 21:43
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No they're not. The FA changed it years ago so the process is incredibly quick to avoid anything like that happening and even if they hadn't, the derby is over a week away. To claim that they are trying to get him to play in the derby is idiotic.
Fair enough, I hope that you are right, as there should be no way to get him to play in the derby.

Hopefully they come to a conclusion pretty quickly.
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Old 01-09-2016, 22:07
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Man City are appealing against Aguero's charge. According to some people on twitter they are trying to argue that the referee saw it and chose not to act so Aguero can't be punished. Almost no chance it's successful if that is the defence, for it to work I think the FA would have to entertain the idea that the referee lied in his report, can't see them doing that.
Well , that was my take on the the incident as well . The ref was a few yards away looking straight at them as I recall so he must have seen it and disregarded it , he's unlikely to say he didn't see what happened as I'm fairly sure he was looking straight at them .

Apologies if my memory is incorrect though .
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Old 01-09-2016, 22:08
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Fair enough, I hope that you are right, as there should be no way to get him to play in the derby.

Hopefully they come to a conclusion pretty quickly.
As I said, they will. Hell, the BBC is saying they'll report tomorrow.

Well , that was my take on the the incident as well . The ref was a few yards away looking straight at them as I recall so he must have seen it and disregarded it , he's unlikely to say he didn't see what happened as I'm fairly sure he was looking straight at them .

Apologies if my memory is incorrect though .
He might have been looking in the general direction but if he didn't see Aguero swing an elbow then he can be banned. And he has said he didn't see what happened, hence the charge.
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Old 01-09-2016, 22:15
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Martinez has clearly already put his stamp on the Belguim team..

Spain look like scoring at will...
Where are you watching this by the way ?
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Old 01-09-2016, 22:21
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As I said, they will. Hell, the BBC is saying they'll report tomorrow.



He might have been looking in the general direction but if he didn't see Aguero swing an elbow then he can be banned. And he has said he didn't see what happened, hence the charge.
Oh well , I still think it's a bit harsh ... he was being battered all through with no protection and presumably just tried to give the other guy a bit back . I don't think he went out to hurt anyone , he didn't even connect with his elbow it was the back of his wrist that connected with the guy's windpipe . I still think it was reckless behaviour which merited a yellow card ..... never a 3 match ban .
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Old 01-09-2016, 22:33
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Oh well , I still think it's a bit harsh ... he was being battered all through with no protection and presumably just tried to give the other guy a bit back . I don't think he went out to hurt anyone , he didn't even connect with his elbow it was the back of his wrist that connected with the guy's windpipe . I still think it was reckless behaviour which merited a yellow card ..... never a 3 match ban .
Being niggled is no defence, even if that actually happened. I watched the game, and don't recall him being singled out for any particular 'treatment'.

It wasn't 'reckless behaviour', it was violent conduct. A mandatory red card, and 3 match ban.
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Old 01-09-2016, 23:04
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Being niggled is no defence, even if that actually happened. I watched the game, and don't recall him being singled out for any particular 'treatment'.

It wasn't 'reckless behaviour', it was violent conduct. A mandatory red card, and 3 match ban.
Most definitely it was a red card offence, there really is no defence for it, which makes this appeal a tad bit puzzling, you wonder quite how they are going to spin this.
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Old 01-09-2016, 23:48
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Being niggled is no defence, even if that actually happened. I watched the game, and don't recall him being singled out for any particular 'treatment'.

It wasn't 'reckless behaviour', it was violent conduct. A mandatory red card, and 3 match ban.
Agree.

Most definitely it was a red card offence, there really is no defence for it, which makes this appeal a tad bit puzzling, you wonder quite how they are going to spin this.
I've already posted the rumoured basis for the appeal (you have even replied to it) so I'm not sure why you are puzzled as to how they might spin it. Even though it is a long shot it's worth trying.
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Old 01-09-2016, 23:52
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Agree.



I've already posted the rumoured basis for the appeal (you have even replied to it) so I'm not sure why you are puzzled as to how they might spin it. Even though it is a long shot it's worth trying.
It just seems like a strange case to decide to appeal over rather than just accepting it, seeing as he is as guilty as a person can possibly be of the offence that he has been charged under.
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Old 01-09-2016, 23:59
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Going by what they're appealing, they've got no argument. If they were trying to appeal for a shorter suspension then they might get somewhere, but even then I don't think they'd win.

As it stands, they aren't going to win that appeal, there's no technicality they could use. Not really sure why they're bothering.
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Old 02-09-2016, 00:39
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Going by what they're appealing, they've got no argument. If they were trying to appeal for a shorter suspension then they might get somewhere, but even then I don't think they'd win.

As it stands, they aren't going to win that appeal, there's no technicality they could use. Not really sure why they're bothering.
Apparently they are challenging the referee's stance that's he didn't see it. A fair point given his position and the direction of his head which appeared to suggest he couldn't possibly have missed it. They won't be the first club to defend a player on a technicality.

They probably accepted his guilt like most of us.

I wonder why the poster pursuing this matter like a bloodhound didn't have such enthusiasm in questioning Mata's hilarious dive in United's first league game? The one with the almighty yelp of pain and the Sky replay showing that the opponent didn't get even close to Mata's leg. It was almost on par with Vieira's classic back in the day. Both dives raised much mirth and when they're that clear-cut deserve similar retrospective punishment (I'm sure Vieira was actually charged but may be wrong).
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Old 02-09-2016, 07:12
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Most definitely it was a red card offence, there really is no defence for it, which makes this appeal a tad bit puzzling, you wonder quite how they are going to spin this.
With all due respect , this is the 'neutral' thread and in this instance you're not strictly neutral as being a Man United fan you would clearly prefer KunA to miss the derby ...
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Old 02-09-2016, 07:24
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The ref did see it, but bottled it.

City are calling him out on it, expect to see more of this type of defence
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Old 02-09-2016, 07:24
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With all due respect , this is the 'neutral' thread and in this instance you're not strictly neutral as being a Man United fan you would clearly prefer KunA to miss the derby ...
There are numerous posters now long since sick of pointing it out.
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Old 02-09-2016, 07:55
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There are numerous posters now long since sick of pointing it out.
I'm not completely sure what you're suggesting tbh BUT I'm not saying that Bat can't post in this thread just that he's got a biased view on the KunA incident .
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Old 02-09-2016, 08:01
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"KunA"

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Old 02-09-2016, 08:04
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so let me get this right, Giroud is too tired after the european championships to play for arsenal....

but he is ok to play in an international friendly?

Oh arsene!
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Old 02-09-2016, 08:33
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OliG is an enigma.
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Old 02-09-2016, 08:42
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With all due respect , this is the 'neutral' thread and in this instance you're not strictly neutral as being a Man United fan you would clearly prefer KunA to miss the derby ...
He's been told countless times about his behaviour but has no intention of changing. I don't think he's capable of understanding to be honest.
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Old 02-09-2016, 09:12
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With all due respect , this is the 'neutral' thread and in this instance you're not strictly neutral as being a Man United fan you would clearly prefer KunA to miss the derby ...
I am not the only fan of the club to have commented on this, so why single myself out?
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Old 02-09-2016, 09:14
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The ref did see it, but bottled it.

City are calling him out on it, expect to see more of this type of defence
So a ref who has given away penalties during injury time not once but twice in a game "bottled" it?

A ref who has given out how many red cards in his career "bottled it"?

Care to give a single piece of logical intelligent ACTUAL evidence?
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Old 02-09-2016, 09:19
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This busted flush ref is being given pelters as he's not fit for purpose and will be reffing dog and duck games
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