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Old 12-09-2016, 21:10
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Who is this yag yelka that seems to be playing for Everton
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Old 12-09-2016, 21:29
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Sunderland destroyed in an 11 minute spell.
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Old 12-09-2016, 21:30
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Another season of Struggle it looks like for Sunderland. Their supporters must be getting a tad fed up with this
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Old 12-09-2016, 21:31
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Sunderland destroyed in an 11 minute spell.
Moyes gone before the clocks go back at this rate.

Sunderlands season usually doesn't get going till about April
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Old 12-09-2016, 21:34
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Who is this yag yelka that seems to be playing for Everton
That's the guy Ferdinand and Vidic were apparently told to watch for inspiration by Moyes.
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Old 12-09-2016, 21:52
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Everton seem improved but Sunderland will be in trouble again I feel.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:05
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Everton looked a very different quality to Sunderland, almost throughout.

I think this is the year for Sunderland to go down.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:36
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Everton looked a very different quality to Sunderland, almost throughout.

I think this is the year for Sunderland to go down.
If they keep Moyes, yes. Guy has to be heading for his third sacking in a row. I don't think Stoke will go down and some of the others in the relegation slots will surely change places, but Sunderland have been toxic for a while now. Moyes ain't the antidote.

As for Everton, they were my dark horse bet for the title and it's all due to the manager. They will be in trouble if Lukaku is not consistent though and what the hell is happeneing to Ross Barkley? Guy had a mid-season surge last season and has now gone backwards (again).
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:41
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If they keep Moyes, yes. Guy has to be heading for his third sacking in a row. I don't think Stoke will go down and some of the others in the relegation slots will surely change places, but Sunderland have been toxic for a while now. Moyes ain't the antidote.

As for Everton, they were my dark horse bet for the title and it's all due to the manager. They will be in trouble if Lukaku is not consistent though and what the hell is happeneing to Ross Barkley? Guy had a mid-season surge last season and has now gone backwards (again).
Dark horse bet for the title?

I know they have a decent team but it's a bit of a stretch that.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:41
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Everton looked a very different quality to Sunderland, almost throughout.

I think this is the year for Sunderland to go down.
They will if they carry on as they are...where was the fight, the passion...it even seems to have drained out of Moyes with only a few games gone.
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:43
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They will if they carry on as they are...where was the fight, the passion...it even seems to have drained out of Moyes with only a few games gone.
Sunderland to go down and Arsenal not to get in the top 4, I wonder if the planets will finally align?
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Old 12-09-2016, 22:53
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A nice gesture by Everton, who have donated £200,000 to Bradley Lowery.

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/b...rton-1-8117390
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Old 12-09-2016, 23:16
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Dark horse bet for the title?

I know they have a decent team but it's a bit of a stretch that.
As stretchy as the pants that you'll be presenting MOTD in?
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Old 12-09-2016, 23:23
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As stretchy as the pants that you'll be presenting MOTD in?
Everton will end up around 8th imo.
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Old 12-09-2016, 23:49
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Yes hart a decent keeper but prone to errors.

However I am not sure what relevance this sweeper keeper role has in English football as I can see the likes of Andy Carroll and even Diego Costa causing him to make blunders.

15 million for a 34 year old is way too much
football is football. the fact it's English has no relevance whatsoever. the idea is to play out from the back. Barcelona do it in Spain and all across Europe, including against all the English teams they face. they're not the only ones either. if the players are good enough, then they can receive and play the ball even when being pressed and closed down, whoever it is doing the pressing. it's Pep's job to ensure they're good enough.

also, 33 isn't really that old for a keeper. they can easily get a good few years out of him if they so wish.
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Old 13-09-2016, 07:51
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football is football. the fact it's English has no relevance whatsoever. the idea is to play out from the back. Barcelona do it in Spain and all across Europe, including against all the English teams they face. they're not the only ones either. if the players are good enough, then they can receive and play the ball even when being pressed and closed down, whoever it is doing the pressing. it's Pep's job to ensure they're good enough.

also, 33 isn't really that old for a keeper. they can easily get a good few years out of him if they so wish.
It has relevance if the game in England is faster therefore the keeper is getting closed down quicker than he would be used to? At least initially that has to be a factor I would have thought?

Football isn't football at all, otherwise you would never have players struggling to adapt to the styles of different countries.
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Old 13-09-2016, 08:29
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Moyes will get sunderland relegated, although he will have been removed from the managerial position long before then.

Its typical of the PL.

Time after time they employ abject failures. Moyes has a proven track record of being useless. But "he can do a job for them" cry his friends in the media....

Somehow this will not be moyes' fault. After a month away from the limelight a PL manager will be sacked and the call will be for Moyes to replace them.

All too predictable.

Big sam was a rat who jumped off a sinking ship.
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Old 13-09-2016, 08:32
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Moyes will get sunderland relegated, although he will have been removed from the managerial position long before then.

Its typical of the PL.

Time after time they employ abject failures. Moyes has a proven track record of being useless. But "he can do a job for them" cry his friends in the media....

Somehow this will not be moyes' fault. After a month away from the limelight a PL manager will be sacked and the call will be for Moyes to replace them.

All too predictable.

Big sam was a rat who jumped off a sinking ship.
Moyes turned Everton round in a manner that would be ideal for Sunderland. It wasn't an outrageous appointment.
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Old 13-09-2016, 08:35
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Moyes will get sunderland relegated, although he will have been removed from the managerial position long before then.

Its typical of the PL.

Time after time they employ abject failures. Moyes has a proven track record of being useless. But "he can do a job for them" cry his friends in the media....

Somehow this will not be moyes' fault. After a month away from the limelight a PL manager will be sacked and the call will be for Moyes to replace them.

All too predictable.

Big sam was a rat who jumped off a sinking ship.
Tbf he still has friends in the press who think he should have had more time and more money at Utd.

The decision to appoint him for that job gets more ludicrous every passing day especially when you look at what he's done since.
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Old 13-09-2016, 08:36
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Moyes turned Everton round in a manner that would be ideal for Sunderland. It wasn't an outrageous appointment.
Nearly 20 years ago i was first in the 100m in the school sports day.
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Old 13-09-2016, 08:40
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Moyes has spent the last decade being comically outraged by everything on the internet, so the comparison works perfectly.
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Old 13-09-2016, 08:54
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The decision to appoint him for that job gets more ludicrous every passing day especially when you look at what he's done since.
Remember Sam Allardyce thinking he could manage Barcelona if his surname was Allardichi?

Moyes managing United was the same experiment. As it turns out, journeymen PL dinosaurs cannot handle top level appointments at home or in Spain.
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Old 13-09-2016, 09:51
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Nearly 20 years ago i was first in the 100m in the school sports day.
3 years ago Moyes was a successful Everton manager.
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Old 13-09-2016, 11:40
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It has relevance if the game in England is faster therefore the keeper is getting closed down quicker than he would be used to? At least initially that has to be a factor I would have thought?

Football isn't football at all, otherwise you would never have players struggling to adapt to the styles of different countries.
on what are you basing this on though? regardless of the pace of the game in England, not every team closes down in the way you're claiming, and there's nothing to suggest that those that do so do it any quicker than anywhere else. if you can show me how Bravo would get closed down any quicker in England than he has in some games against Real, Sevilla, Athletic Bilbao, Atletico or Betis, then I'll happily concede the point.

adapting to a different country generally has more to do with other factors such as the actual team you join, environment, family/living arrangements, language barrier etc than it does the supposed style, given that there's no one style for ANY country. some teams play faster, others play slower, some play a possession game, others play a counter-attacking game etc. I always use the example of Fernando Torres, who looked like the best striker in the world at Liverpool, and the worst in the world at Chelsea. had his form at each club been exactly the same, but just the other way round so he played for Chelsea first, his Chelsea form would have been put down to him not being able to adapt to the English game etc, and attributed his subsequent Liverpool form to him finally settling and adapting. similarly there are plenty of English players that have been crap at one club and great at another, and that's just accepted as being the case. but once it's a player coming from overseas, then he's suddenly struggling to adapt to the English game. it's never really made any sense to me.
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Old 13-09-2016, 18:05
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on what are you basing this on though? regardless of the pace of the game in England, not every team closes down in the way you're claiming, and there's nothing to suggest that those that do so do it any quicker than anywhere else. if you can show me how Bravo would get closed down any quicker in England than he has in some games against Real, Sevilla, Athletic Bilbao, Atletico or Betis, then I'll happily concede the point.

adapting to a different country generally has more to do with other factors such as the actual team you join, environment, family/living arrangements, language barrier etc than it does the supposed style, given that there's no one style for ANY country. some teams play faster, others play slower, some play a possession game, others play a counter-attacking game etc. I always use the example of Fernando Torres, who looked like the best striker in the world at Liverpool, and the worst in the world at Chelsea. had his form at each club been exactly the same, but just the other way round so he played for Chelsea first, his Chelsea form would have been put down to him not being able to adapt to the English game etc, and attributed his subsequent Liverpool form to him finally settling and adapting. similarly there are plenty of English players that have been crap at one club and great at another, and that's just accepted as being the case. but once it's a player coming from overseas, then he's suddenly struggling to adapt to the English game. it's never really made any sense to me.
It really wouldn't. When Falcao struggled at United, the majority of the reaction was just that he'd had a serious injury and was no longer the player he used to be, the same narrative that was used for Torres' struggles at Chelsea.
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