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if your position is made untenable, then yes, its up to the court to decide.
a world cup winner being asked to play in the reserves, not to come in or interact with first team players is horrible bullying. all it will take is for just one player to do this, and the flood gates will open. |
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No they won't because it wouldn't even get to court.
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if your position is made untenable, then yes, its up to the court to decide.
a world cup winner being asked to play in the reserves, not to come in or interact with first team players is horrible bullying. all it will take is for just one player to do this, and the flood gates will open. Can't really see any player ever doing this anyway. Not unless they are planning on quitting football as I can't see any club wanting to employ someone known to take clubs to court just because they aren't playing. |
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BIB- No, it's not.
Can't really see any player ever doing this anyway. Not unless they are planning on quitting football as I can't see any club wanting to employ someone known to take clubs to court just because they aren't playing. but being asked not to interact with the first team, thats too far |
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got to love a bit of codeblue faux-outrage
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I know your a wum but even by their standards you don't have talk some crap.
This won't and any other similar occurrences will not go to court, he'll probably leave in January. He's played for City and been very very well paid to do his job, his agent has been mouthing off for years now but in the past we've been too reliant on him to do anything. His age and declining ability coupled with the fact that Guardiola has built and shaped a team without him means he no longer holds much power and his time with City has probably come to an end, albeit not in the best circumstances. |
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I've never liked the idea of players being completely ostracised unless they're a specific disruption to their club. I've seen it happen albeit on a much more paltry scale when Steven Pressley had his 'bomb squad' training at a local park rather than as part of the team, inevitably he had to backtrack on one or two and pretend it was a motivational tactic rather than a stupid load of bollocks that was a stupid idea from the start.
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I've never liked the idea of players being completely ostracised unless they're a specific disruption to their club. I've seen it happen albeit on a much more paltry scale when Steven Pressley had his 'bomb squad' training at a local park rather than as part of the team, inevitably he had to backtrack on one or two and pretend it was a motivational tactic rather than a stupid load of bollocks that was a stupid idea from the start.
Bastien has done absolutely nothing wrong, there is nothing to say he would be a disruption or not able to contribute IF he was called on. He is hardly a rotten apple character. What possible benefit is it to united, to keep a player of his stature, with the reserves and away from the first team squad? Its humiliating and serves no purpose. Now if he were a joey barton kind of character, i get it, but this just strikes me as awful management and possibly actionable. |
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Thats just it.
Bastien has done absolutely nothing wrong, there is nothing to say he would be a disruption or not able to contribute IF he was called on. He is hardly a rotten apple character. What possible benefit is it to united, to keep a player of his stature, with the reserves and away from the first team squad? Its humiliating and serves no purpose. Now if he were a joey barton kind of character, i get it, but this just strikes me as awful management and possibly actionable. If he was that desperate to play he was given plenty of time to find a club in the summer. Probably would have found that United ended up paying a percentage of his wages anyway so they wouldn't have likely been a problem. |
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I believe that Mourinho was bought in, to spend big, build a successful team but to also dump some of the more expensive 'lesser' players to balance the books.
Mourinho, being Mourinho, said to the board, 'Hey no problem, if you get me Pogba I'll get rid of the german, trust me, have I ever lied to you?' Schweinsteiger on the other hand had his own ideas and countered with the 'MUFC will be my last club in Europe' line, 'How do you like them apples? Boss'. |
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Northampton goalie is having a 'mare........
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Mark Hughes really needs a win at the weekend I feel.
Must be under some pressure... |
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Fantastic EFL Cup fourth round draw: West Ham v Chelsea, Man Utd v Man City, Liverpool v Spurs.
Think I'm right in saying that Sky can only show two of those matches, and I'm guessing they'll go for the last two. |
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Mark Hughes can't buy a win ATM. Never thought he'd be up there with Moyes as most likely to be first out this season....meanwhile Micky Phelan is going great guns... strange world...
Edit: Just seen that Mark F got there first |
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Sky will love the hype of a Manchester derby and West Ham/Chelsea..
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Mark Hughes can't buy a win ATM. Never thought he'd be up there with Moyes as most likely to be first out this season....meanwhile Micky Phelan is going great guns... strange world...
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Surprised Dundeeboy hasn't been on to tell us how Pogba was invisible tonight...
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Mark Hughes really needs a win at the weekend I feel.
Must be under some pressure... |
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I think if Wifried Bony starts scoring then Stoke will start winning again
Nah hope he finds some sort of form back. |
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if your position is made untenable, then yes, its up to the court to decide.
a world cup winner being asked to play in the reserves, not to come in or interact with first team players is horrible bullying. all it will take is for just one player to do this, and the flood gates will open. |
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I think not. Ignoring the fact Yaya brought this upon himself it must be almost guaranteed that football players contracts include wording about training with whoever the club see fit, be it reserves, youth team or all alone. Because since time began players have been excluded from the first team training where either they've upset the manager or they're just surplus to requirement. There's no way a prem league club wouldnt have their backs covered in this eventuality
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I think you are living in dream land, I very much doubt their contracts go into such specifics.
Even a £14k a year job has a staff handbook and hundreds of rules to abide by. Do you think a club when offering someone signs a £10m contract has not somehow covered every eventuality such that the player is well aware what is expected of them and what either side can and can't expect from the other. Otherwise any ambiguity would have resulted in so many legal cases by now. Can almost hear Yaya's agent now "You can't make him train with the reserves, we never agreed that. I want the contract paid in full now". |
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Thats just it.
Bastien has done absolutely nothing wrong, there is nothing to say he would be a disruption or not able to contribute IF he was called on. He is hardly a rotten apple character. What possible benefit is it to united, to keep a player of his stature, with the reserves and away from the first team squad? Its humiliating and serves no purpose. Now if he were a joey barton kind of character, i get it, but this just strikes me as awful management and possibly actionable. |
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What else can we expect from Mourinho?
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Neither of you are privvy to why he's not in the first team. I don't particularly like the idea of him being out but Jose must have valid reasons for doing so.
It is quite possible that he is treating the player despicably. Jose is also in the headlines today, for threatening to "smash wengers face in". I am so glad that i dont have to deal with that side of him anymore, United fans, you are welcome! (and get used to it) |
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