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Football Neutrals Thread - Part 2
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Marti S
24-09-2016
The ref obviously dosent like Vardy, was clearly a foul
ScousingScowler
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by rhumble:
“Is this proving United don't need Rooney ?? , this whole stuff about where to play Rooney really is a problem for both club and Country , and its like a weight around the neck of the team , take that weight away and everyone is freer”

Where to play Rooney and the simple answer was, don't play him.

They had so many chances to shift him for megabucks but stuck with him.

Rooney is well past his sell by date, has the odd good game but those are getting more and more rare.
JasonWatkins
24-09-2016
Oh dear
pete137
24-09-2016
45 minutes that probably just ended Wayne Rooneys Man Utd career.

A half of football that proves two things. First Rooney should never have been starting games this season and secondly, Leicester are a mid table side at best.
JSemple3
24-09-2016
I did not think Leicester would be getting taken completely apart the way they are so far
TheSloth
24-09-2016
Leicester failed to take advantage of United's nerves in defence early on and the first goal then evaporated the tension. Pundits still not giving the departed Kante any credit for why the Leicester defence looks far more vulnerable.
carefree_blue
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by Jason C:
“No I don't, truth be told; I just find it hard to believe that the FA took mitigating factors into account and still thought the offence deserved such a sizeable ban of four matches.

If that did, happen, though - implying that a normal ban for this offence would have been in the region of half a dozen games - then I think it's an overreaction to the scale of the offence and one that has its grounding in other factors.”

That's your opinion, but not one I share. If he'd posted it the same day that we all became aware of it then I don't think a longer ban would have been unreasonable.

Originally Posted by Jason C:
“I don't agree, I think it's absolutely relevant - if, in this instance, the offensive comments were only discovered as the result of a Liverpool fan trawling through Andre Gray's tweets to find something he could publicise and send to the FA in retribution for the goal he scored which beat the side he supports.

We can't be having situations where disciplinary matters are created purely as a result of fan intervention, particularly for that reason.”

If players haven't posted anything wrong then they've got nothing to worry about. I would imagine very few have ever put anything as extreme as what Gray did on their public social media accounts so there won't be much to dig up. The vast majority of footballers seem very mundane and uncontroversial in what they post.

As for the bit in bold, wasn't John Terry's racist language only brought to light due to a complaint from a member of the public? And was his motive questioned? Yes the Gray thing may well have only come to light through a disgruntled Liverpool fan but that's not a reason to disregard it. If he hadn't done it in the first place it wouldn't be an issue. It's not like Gray's offence has been manufactured by someone else.

Originally Posted by Jason C:
“And that's what I mean when I say that Gray's suspension had a grounding in other factors, namely that discrimination is the current hot button issue in football at the moment and the FA had to be seen to be taking a firm line over it.

Whether the punishment actually fitted the crime seems to be of little consequence.”

Punishments tend to have a deterrent element to them. As for fitting the crime I think it does personally. Burnley and Gray aren't appealing it so you would assume it's not completely out of proportion with what they were expecting.
pete137
24-09-2016
Imagine how much more fluid England would be without chugger Rooney shoehorned into the side. Rooney getting dropped from the Man Utd team for a long period is the only way to get him out of the England side (although Allardyce still wont have the balls to do it).
rhumble
24-09-2016
If Leicester get hammered here by a couple more, the next few games for them will be really telling on how their season will pan out imo , if they let this get to them they could struggle and be back to struggling at Christmas
TheSloth
24-09-2016
Leicester throw in the towel with those subs. Wrong message.
batdude_uk1
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“Leicester throw in the towel with those subs. Wrong message.”

Saving them for the Champions League me thinks.
Marti S
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“Leicester throw in the towel with those subs. Wrong message.”

It's a lost cause even for Leicester
batdude_uk1
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by Marti S:
“It's a lost cause even for Leicester”

Maybe not..........
rhumble
24-09-2016
Good goal ,, if they get another one it might get interesting
batdude_uk1
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by rhumble:
“Good goal ,, if they get another one it might get interesting”

It is very interesting as it is thanks very much!
rhumble
24-09-2016
In a glass half full kind of way, Leicester won the second half 1-0
pete137
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by rhumble:
“In a glass half full kind of way, Leicester won the second half 1-0”

They "won" nothing. History shows that more often then not, when a team is cruising at half time they simply ease off in the second half with the job already done. There was no "winning" on Leicesters part today.
rhumble
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by pete137:
“They "won" nothing. History shows that more often then not, when a team is cruising at half time they simply ease off in the second half with the job already done. There was no "winning" on Leicesters part today.”

of course not, but if i was the manger i would be focusing on the second half to try and not let their confidence go to pieces as that was a dreadful 1st half, or you could give them a huge bollocking for that whole game and hope they respond in a positive way , how they bounce back is going to be interesting
Cissy Fairfax
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by Jason C:
“No I don't, truth be told; I just find it hard to believe that the FA took mitigating factors into account and still thought the offence deserved such a sizeable ban of four matches.

If that did, happen, though - implying that a normal ban for this offence would have been in the region of half a dozen games - then I think it's an overreaction to the scale of the offence and one that has its grounding in other factors.



I don't agree, I think it's absolutely relevant - if, in this instance, the offensive comments were only discovered as the result of a Liverpool fan trawling through Andre Gray's tweets to find something he could publicise and send to the FA in retribution for the goal he scored which beat the side he supports.

We can't be having situations where disciplinary matters are created purely as a result of fan intervention, particularly for that reason.



And that's what I mean when I say that Gray's suspension had a grounding in other factors, namely that discrimination is the current hot button issue in football at the moment and the FA had to be seen to be taking a firm line over it.

Whether the punishment actually fitted the crime seems to be of little consequence.”

I have no idea what he said yet, so will not comment on whether it was justifiable or not.

But it seems a ridiculous precedent to set. If Gray was 18 and made comments four years ago at 14, would you be subject to punishment? It is inevitable an instance like this will arise.

What age is punishable? How many years back do you go? 20 years? What if another tweet of a similar nature is discovered to have been made by Gray next month. Does he serve another punishment, or will it have been deemed to be part of this one.

I am still not convinced that any footballer needs to be on Twitter. This will result in a rise of every player who scores against a club having their fans scrawl through ten years of media posts to look for misdemeanour.
Chris1964
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by rhumble:
“If Leicester get hammered here by a couple more, the next few games for them will be really telling on how their season will pan out imo , if they let this get to them they could struggle and be back to struggling at Christmas”

Yes there is still a fantastic spirit, bravado and rollercoaster storyline about Leicester but they need to sit back and take stock for a bit now and get down to some point scoring graft.

As for United, a glimpse of what they could be today, but time will tell.
Jamesp84
24-09-2016
No mention of Pogba being quiet today?
Nova21
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“No mention of Pogba being quiet today?”

So odd how 90% of your posts take this approach
DUNDEEBOY
24-09-2016
Wonder if that late equaliser might mean the end for mark hughes

Edit unless David Moyes beats him to it
Jason C
24-09-2016
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“Wonder if that late equaliser might mean the end for mark hughes”

Replace "equaliser" with "winner" and Mark Hughes with David Moyes.

Stoke play Sunderland on October 15th and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that both teams could be going into that match with a new man in charge.
pete137
24-09-2016
Moyes sacked 100%.
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