Spurs v man city next week is a biggie city don't have a great record there
Football Neutrals Thread - Part 2
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Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“Spurs v man city next week is a biggie city don't have a great record there”
“Spurs v man city next week is a biggie city don't have a great record there”
I will take a Spurs win in that, we don't really want to see one team being a mile ahead of the rest at this early stage.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I will take a Spurs win in that, we don't really want to see one team being a mile ahead of the rest at this early stage.”
“I will take a Spurs win in that, we don't really want to see one team being a mile ahead of the rest at this early stage.”
I agree with Batdude. Could somebody please call a doctor?
(Sorry, Bats, I love you really
)
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I will take a Spurs win in that, we don't really want to see one team being a mile ahead of the rest at this early stage.”
“I will take a Spurs win in that, we don't really want to see one team being a mile ahead of the rest at this early stage.”
I disagree.
Originally Posted by posiepebbles:
“I agree with Batdude. Could somebody please call a doctor?
(Sorry, Bats, I love you really)”
“I agree with Batdude. Could somebody please call a doctor?
(Sorry, Bats, I love you really
)”
Nice that someone does around here!
Originally Posted by Big Poy:
“I disagree.”
“I disagree.”
I thought you might!
Originally Posted by Cissy Fairfax:
“I have no idea what he said yet, so will not comment on whether it was justifiable or not.
But it seems a ridiculous precedent to set. If Gray was 18 and made comments four years ago at 14, would you be subject to punishment? It is inevitable an instance like this will arise.
What age is punishable? How many years back do you go? 20 years? What if another tweet of a similar nature is discovered to have been made by Gray next month. Does he serve another punishment, or will it have been deemed to be part of this one.
I am still not convinced that any footballer needs to be on Twitter. This will result in a rise of every player who scores against a club having their fans scrawl through ten years of media posts to look for misdemeanour.”
“I have no idea what he said yet, so will not comment on whether it was justifiable or not.
But it seems a ridiculous precedent to set. If Gray was 18 and made comments four years ago at 14, would you be subject to punishment? It is inevitable an instance like this will arise.
What age is punishable? How many years back do you go? 20 years? What if another tweet of a similar nature is discovered to have been made by Gray next month. Does he serve another punishment, or will it have been deemed to be part of this one.
I am still not convinced that any footballer needs to be on Twitter. This will result in a rise of every player who scores against a club having their fans scrawl through ten years of media posts to look for misdemeanour.”
The most offensive was a tweet that said "Is it me or are there gays everywhere? #Burn #Die #Makesmesick". You might be able to get away with some dumb tweets but wanting gays to burn deserves a ban, even if the tweets were from several years ago. As carefree blue points out, Burnley/Gray agree since they've accepted the ban.
Also, the FA did go through his previous tweets and found a couple of others so they can't charge him again.
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“Is it purely coincidence that Cahill's collapse in form has come at the same time that David Luiz returned to Chelsea?”
“Is it purely coincidence that Cahill's collapse in form has come at the same time that David Luiz returned to Chelsea?”
Think he looked a bit dodgy before Luiz came back.
Originally Posted by ustarion:
“Moyes did no worse than LVG in his first season.”
“Moyes did no worse than LVG in his first season.”
He did considerably worse than LVG.
Whoever it was had Firminio written off as a flop about a week after he was signed ought to really have got pelters.
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“Is it purely coincidence that Cahill's collapse in form has come at the same time that David Luiz returned to Chelsea?”
“Is it purely coincidence that Cahill's collapse in form has come at the same time that David Luiz returned to Chelsea?”
He's been piss poor for a long time now. Playing alongside Luiz isn't exactly likely to help him improve his form but even when he's partnering Terry he looks just as bad (Swansea game for example).
Originally Posted by zieler:
“The most offensive was a tweet that said "Is it me or are there gays everywhere? #Burn #Die #Makesmesick". You might be able to get away with some dumb tweets but wanting gays to burn deserves a ban, even if the tweets were from several years ago. As carefree blue points out, Burnley/Gray agree since they've accepted the ban.
Also, the FA did go through his previous tweets and found a couple of others so they can't charge him again.”
“The most offensive was a tweet that said "Is it me or are there gays everywhere? #Burn #Die #Makesmesick". You might be able to get away with some dumb tweets but wanting gays to burn deserves a ban, even if the tweets were from several years ago. As carefree blue points out, Burnley/Gray agree since they've accepted the ban.
Also, the FA did go through his previous tweets and found a couple of others so they can't charge him again.”
That is pretty bad, worse than I had anticipated. I don't really 'get' hashtags but it is pretty evident what he meant.
The problem that I have with the punishment, is how is it the fault of Burnley and what is the link between making comments and banning them from playing? The player wasn't even a footballer when he made the comments and just out of his teenage years. Imagine they were even worse and warranted a season ban? He may be three clubs down the line and the current club lose him.
I don't understand why it requires a ban from football as a punishment. Surely a better alternative would be to send him on a awareness course, for a year if need be, even if he has changed. That seems far more beneficial for all parties than missing four games of football, which does nothing to help somebody change their opinion which should be the ultimate objective in this.
I'm sure criminal charges have been brought for less, but even if not some voluntary charity or community work would have been more appropriate.
Really enjoyed Ibrahimovic's performance against Leicester today. Still a wonderful player. So inventive.
Originally Posted by Cissy Fairfax:
“That is pretty bad, worse than I had anticipated. I don't really 'get' hashtags but it is pretty evident what he meant.
The problem that I have with the punishment, is how is it the fault of Burnley and what is the link between making comments and banning them from playing? The player wasn't even a footballer when he made the comments and just out of his teenage years. Imagine they were even worse and warranted a season ban? He may be three clubs down the line and the current club lose him.
I don't understand why it requires a ban from football as a punishment. Surely a better alternative would be to send him on a awareness course, for a year if need be, even if he has changed. That seems far more beneficial for all parties than missing four games of football, which does nothing to help somebody change their opinion which should be the ultimate objective in this.
I'm sure criminal charges have been brought for less, but even if not some voluntary charity or community work would have been more appropriate.”
“That is pretty bad, worse than I had anticipated. I don't really 'get' hashtags but it is pretty evident what he meant.
The problem that I have with the punishment, is how is it the fault of Burnley and what is the link between making comments and banning them from playing? The player wasn't even a footballer when he made the comments and just out of his teenage years. Imagine they were even worse and warranted a season ban? He may be three clubs down the line and the current club lose him.
I don't understand why it requires a ban from football as a punishment. Surely a better alternative would be to send him on a awareness course, for a year if need be, even if he has changed. That seems far more beneficial for all parties than missing four games of football, which does nothing to help somebody change their opinion which should be the ultimate objective in this.
I'm sure criminal charges have been brought for less, but even if not some voluntary charity or community work would have been more appropriate.”
He was a footballer when he made the tweets, albeit playing in the Conference but still would have been under the FA's jurisdiction at the time.
As for the education course he has been ordered to attend one, see the FA's statement below:
Quote:
“Burnley forward Andre Gray has been suspended for four matches commencing with immediate effect for misconduct in respect of social media comments.
It was alleged that six postings on his Twitter account were abusive and/or insulting and/or improper and/or brought the game into disrepute contrary to Rule E3(1).
It was further alleged that these breaches of Rule E3(1) included a reference to sexual orientation and/or gender and/or colour and/or race contrary to Rule E3(2).
The player admitted to three of the breaches, and denied the remaining three were in breach of FA Rules.
Following an Independent Regulatory Commission hearing yesterday [22 September 2016], the remaining three breaches were found proven.
The player was also fined £25,000, warned as to his future conduct and ordered to attend an FA education course.
”
“Burnley forward Andre Gray has been suspended for four matches commencing with immediate effect for misconduct in respect of social media comments.
It was alleged that six postings on his Twitter account were abusive and/or insulting and/or improper and/or brought the game into disrepute contrary to Rule E3(1).
It was further alleged that these breaches of Rule E3(1) included a reference to sexual orientation and/or gender and/or colour and/or race contrary to Rule E3(2).
The player admitted to three of the breaches, and denied the remaining three were in breach of FA Rules.
Following an Independent Regulatory Commission hearing yesterday [22 September 2016], the remaining three breaches were found proven.
The player was also fined £25,000, warned as to his future conduct and ordered to attend an FA education course.
”
Burnley released this statement:
Quote:
“Burnley Football Club and Gray accept the Independent Regulatory Commission’s decision, which relate to historical posts made before Andre joined the club in August, 2015.
Gray himself regrets the posts and has pledged, in an apology, to continue to improve, both as a person and role model to others.
Burnley Football Club takes its responsibility in the wider community seriously, and through its charitable arm, Burnley FC in the Community, will be investing close to £2m in community work over the forthcoming season.
We work closely with all of our players, including Andre, on a wide-ranging variety of community programmes and we undertook 300 player appearances last season, which we will be looking to increase in the coming 12 months.
We believe this charge, regarding historical social media posts, should now also serve as a warning to all professional footballers, and participants in the wider sporting field.
Burnley Football Club will make no further comment at this time. ”
“Burnley Football Club and Gray accept the Independent Regulatory Commission’s decision, which relate to historical posts made before Andre joined the club in August, 2015.
Gray himself regrets the posts and has pledged, in an apology, to continue to improve, both as a person and role model to others.
Burnley Football Club takes its responsibility in the wider community seriously, and through its charitable arm, Burnley FC in the Community, will be investing close to £2m in community work over the forthcoming season.
We work closely with all of our players, including Andre, on a wide-ranging variety of community programmes and we undertook 300 player appearances last season, which we will be looking to increase in the coming 12 months.
We believe this charge, regarding historical social media posts, should now also serve as a warning to all professional footballers, and participants in the wider sporting field.
Burnley Football Club will make no further comment at this time. ”
Just watching the round up of goals on SSN and saw that when Aguero took City's penalty, there were 8 players in the penalty area (from both teams) !
One of the Swansea players was nearly in front of Aguero !
One of the Swansea players was nearly in front of Aguero !
Moyes blaming the Sunderland players for yesterday's loss. He's not all that wrong though, to be fair, although it remains to be seen how the players respond I suppose.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37463820
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37463820
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“Moyes blaming the Sunderland players for yesterday's loss. He's not all that wrong though, to be fair, although it remains to be seen how the players respond I suppose.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37463820”
“Moyes blaming the Sunderland players for yesterday's loss. He's not all that wrong though, to be fair, although it remains to be seen how the players respond I suppose.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37463820”
I seem to recall a previous Sunderland manager who didn't fare too well after publicly calling out his players.
Originally Posted by Cissy Fairfax:
“That is pretty bad, worse than I had anticipated. I don't really 'get' hashtags but it is pretty evident what he meant.
The problem that I have with the punishment, is how is it the fault of Burnley and what is the link between making comments and banning them from playing? The player wasn't even a footballer when he made the comments and just out of his teenage years. Imagine they were even worse and warranted a season ban? He may be three clubs down the line and the current club lose him.
I don't understand why it requires a ban from football as a punishment. Surely a better alternative would be to send him on a awareness course, for a year if need be, even if he has changed. That seems far more beneficial for all parties than missing four games of football, which does nothing to help somebody change their opinion which should be the ultimate objective in this.
I'm sure criminal charges have been brought for less, but even if not some voluntary charity or community work would have been more appropriate.”
“That is pretty bad, worse than I had anticipated. I don't really 'get' hashtags but it is pretty evident what he meant.
The problem that I have with the punishment, is how is it the fault of Burnley and what is the link between making comments and banning them from playing? The player wasn't even a footballer when he made the comments and just out of his teenage years. Imagine they were even worse and warranted a season ban? He may be three clubs down the line and the current club lose him.
I don't understand why it requires a ban from football as a punishment. Surely a better alternative would be to send him on a awareness course, for a year if need be, even if he has changed. That seems far more beneficial for all parties than missing four games of football, which does nothing to help somebody change their opinion which should be the ultimate objective in this.
I'm sure criminal charges have been brought for less, but even if not some voluntary charity or community work would have been more appropriate.”
He was a footballer when he made the comments, just had a low enough profile that no-one noticed. Don't think the comments could get much worse to be honest and this is by far the biggest ban for comments on social media, even ahead of players who have been punished on multiple occasions.
The FA has taken into account player's ages in the past, there are a couple of cases of youth players getting fined for homophobic language rather than banned. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they had reduced the suspension slightly due to his age and the time passed, it's just that his comments were so severe they still needed a big punishment.. He also has been sent on an awareness course but that can't be the only punishment for wanting gays to burn.
Originally Posted by Jason C:
“I seem to recall a previous Sunderland manager who didn't fare too well after publicly calling out his players.”
“I seem to recall a previous Sunderland manager who didn't fare too well after publicly calling out his players.”
I've seen a few managers do it and occasionally it works and the players respond as they should and start working harder. The usual outcome though is that the players will generally think "Up Yours" (or something slightly more coarse
) and carry on until the manager is sacked.
Originally Posted by ScousingScowler:
“Where to play Rooney and the simple answer was, don't play him.
They had so many chances to shift him for megabucks but stuck with him.
Rooney is well past his sell by date, has the odd good game but those are getting more and more rare.”
“Where to play Rooney and the simple answer was, don't play him.
They had so many chances to shift him for megabucks but stuck with him.
Rooney is well past his sell by date, has the odd good game but those are getting more and more rare.”
I think the best chance to shift him was 2013 after Fergie retired. Unfortunately we were in a position of weakness with the manager we had.
A better manager would have moved him on and bought in a replacement. Moyes didn't have the balls to do it.
Originally Posted by davethecue:
“Just watching the round up of goals on SSN and saw that when Aguero took City's penalty, there were 8 players in the penalty area (from both teams) !
One of the Swansea players was nearly in front of Aguero !”
“Just watching the round up of goals on SSN and saw that when Aguero took City's penalty, there were 8 players in the penalty area (from both teams) !
One of the Swansea players was nearly in front of Aguero !”
So it's the players fault he uses zonal marking, I think not
Originally Posted by pete137:
“Defoe is wasted playing under that clown Moyes. He's still a brilliant premiership striker.”
“Defoe is wasted playing under that clown Moyes. He's still a brilliant premiership striker.”
Completely agree. I think Liverpool or Chelsea could make use of him. He's still one of the best strikers in the Prem.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“He still has a few more good years left in him, be interesting to see if he is still at Sunderland this time next season.”
“He still has a few more good years left in him, be interesting to see if he is still at Sunderland this time next season.”
I very much doubt it. If Sunderland do stay up again, he'll want out because he'll be fed up with Sunderland's perpetual relegation battles. If they finally do go down, Defoe will quickly get bought up by a Premier League club or possibly a foreign one. That said, he went to Toronto FC and didn't like it so came back home.
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“the man is absolutely useless. What on earth did they thing would happen employing this dinosaur.
he will probably manage stoke when hughes gets sacked, such it the ridiculous nature of football”
“the man is absolutely useless. What on earth did they thing would happen employing this dinosaur.
he will probably manage stoke when hughes gets sacked, such it the ridiculous nature of football”
Davie Moyes is one of the worst managers of recent football history, no doubt about it. I don't remember hearing many if any Sunderland fans sounding happy about his appointment at the start of the season.
Originally Posted by Sattrega:
“Chelsea's defending is bloody awful.”
“Chelsea's defending is bloody awful.”
The fact that without 35 year old John Terry, Chelsea are defensively inept, is embarrassing for the club. Gary Cahill makes too many mistakes, David Luiz is a wannabe striker, and Branislav Ivanovic is way off the pace.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“It didn't help that we appointed Moyes, which is right up there with the biggest errors in our whole history.”
“It didn't help that we appointed Moyes, which is right up there with the biggest errors in our whole history.”
I think the bigger mistake was that, having appointed the failure that was Davie Moyes, you then didn't learn from that error and appointed another manager who was catastrophically incompetent- Louis Van Gaal.
Originally Posted by NorthernNinny:
“I think the best chance to shift him was 2013 after Fergie retired. Unfortunately we were in a position of weakness with the manager we had.
A better manager would have moved him on and bought in a replacement. Moyes didn't have the balls to do it.”
“I think the best chance to shift him was 2013 after Fergie retired. Unfortunately we were in a position of weakness with the manager we had.
A better manager would have moved him on and bought in a replacement. Moyes didn't have the balls to do it.”
And neither have Van Gaal or mourinho since
Not a game for anyone but the fans this Southampton vs West Ham. Both sides dotn look the same as the ones finishing well into the top half. You can slightly forgiven Southampton losing yet another manager and some top players. West Ham I guess are struggling with the move to the new ground.
Good goal from Charlie Austin 5 in 4 games. He is one of those linker style players being in the right place at the right time and knowning were to place the ball.
Hopefully the game will open up in the second half as west ham have to come forward.
Good goal from Charlie Austin 5 in 4 games. He is one of those linker style players being in the right place at the right time and knowning were to place the ball.
Hopefully the game will open up in the second half as west ham have to come forward.
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