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The fact that team(s) with the most resources typically get the better players has always underpinned things but the evolution/revolution of recent decades has meant (thankfully) there are more teams with similar resources.
Pre-Premier League, teams got successful largely from a decent manager, the right infrastructure and keeping hold of or recruiting quality players - it wasn't purely all about the money. The Liverpool team that dominated the 70s and 80s was the result of a superb foundation being set down in the 60s. Not all the recruits were "names" so a good scouting network was important. As the honours rolled in, inevitably that brought revenue and sustained the success - almost to the detriment of every other club. Great managers like Clough ensured some competition whilst average managers elsewhere held back clubs who actually had the resources to compete - United spent a lot during this period and bought some stellar players but underachieved in terms of a sustained presence. That all changed when a certain Scotsman rocked up and set down the foundations for a dynasty - the creation of the Premier League was also a dream ticket for a commercially astute club like United. Much like shankly, Ferguson didn't just rely on recruiting stellar talent and set down a defined style of play and a nurturing yet winning culture. At first, the PL and the CL simply reinforced the bigger clubs' status - but the earning power of the PL notably started to attract investment in football - which was once only a guarantee of losing money and strctly the reserve of rich fans who were prepared to feed their passion rather than their bank balance. So enter the oil billionaires. Although resented (largely because they further prevented other clubs changing the status quo) actually were the catalyst to where we are today. The largely United-Arsenal domination was joined by Chelsea and later City. During this time, the CL widened its scope and allowed more English clubs to share that particular pot of gold and hence competition at the higher reaches of the PL slowly but surely increased. The PL attracted more and more TV money and more and more investment and this was inevitably going to water down the strength as even mid to lower table sides began to be financially strong enough to retain and recruit better players. This would not have damaged success in Europe had it not been for clubs such as Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and PSG having the financial muscle and drawing power to still largely attract the world's elite players. There is thankfully still room in the PL for a good manager and/or a perfect storm of players/sysystem to have an effect but that has actually re-emerged as the league shares its resources more evenly - only having some of the best players happy to come to England rather them all leaves the cash-rich clubs more vulnerable as they are weaker and the rest slightly stronger. PL cash is actually improving the quality of other leagues too - while we throw silly money at the smaller clubs in Spain, Germany and France they'll slowly erode the domination of the big clubs there - but the grip of the massive clubs in those leagues is harder to loosen as either the TV money is unevenly distributed or simply too low to encourage the kind of growth we've seen here. If, especially, Spain gets more competitive (and things are started to budge a little) English clubs will begin to compete in the CL again - at the moment, Barcelona and Real still have the best players in the world at their beck and call. It'll be interesting to see how the dynamic changes when Messi and Ronaldo move on. |
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I see that Mexico beat the USA 2-1 in World Cup qualifying - I trust there were ironic cheers when the Mexicans put up a wall at a freekick...
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Its all about the money and attracting players
The club want to do both (be in the PL and CL), but actually playing in the CL is chore - as only 1 team can win, its really unlikely to be you. The ideal is getting there, getting through the first round and then going out. Arsenal have perfected that over 17 years. You get the money, the prestige, and can attract the type of player that wants/ needs to play there. But the manager wants to be out of all the cups to concentrate on the league, especially if you can win it. What is the point of prestige, if you don;t then win things? We are talking about a sport here, not keeping up with the Joneses |
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Looks like we could be seeing video referees coming into being:-
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/italian-seri...-germany-trial |
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Don't they have a video replay type system in the Dutch Cup where an official in a studio can make a quick decision on a red card/penalty etc.
I wonder how well this can work in theory a good idea but where does it end so to speak decisions wise as we all know football players/fans and managers dispute throw ins on the half way line! |
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Don't they have a video replay type system in the Dutch Cup where an official in a studio can make a quick decision on a red card/penalty etc.
I wonder how well this can work in theory a good idea but where does it end so to speak decisions wise as we all know football players/fans and managers dispute throw ins on the half way line! |
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Seems to work ok for rugby, the whole it wont work thing in football is just an excuse not to change, some people would still have them playing with leather balls.
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Daniel Prodan from Romania's World Cup squad in 94 has died of a heart attack, only 44 years old.
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Ex Rangers?
Seems shocking so many sports stars die young like that. |
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Daniel Prodan from Romania's World Cup squad in 94 has died of a heart attack, only 44 years old.
My heart goes out to his family and friends. I loved watching that Romania side at that World Cup. ![]() ![]()
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A Saturday lunchtime snoozefest. What a terrible game.
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Arsenal throwing it away
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Neville is right what a disgusting rule that is, booked for celebrating with your fans.
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Neville is right what a disgusting rule that is, booked for celebrating with your fans.
It's a safety thing, and Neville should shut his mouth. |
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Neville is right what a disgusting rule that is, booked for celebrating with your fans.
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It's dangerous, causing a crowd surge.
It's a safety thing, and Neville should shut his mouth. |
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Neville's a football man so is more in touch than people faking selective outrage who should shut their mouths.
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The worst thing is that the classification of the rule has nothing to do with inciting the crowd - it comes under "deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee's permission".
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I want to know what Poppy Watch make of the Juan Mata celebration.
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Still don't see arsenal winning the league top 4 as always, united won't be in the top 4 though
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It's dangerous, causing a crowd surge.
It's a safety thing, and Neville should shut his mouth. |
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Wow, Giroud looks delighted.
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Didn't see that goal coming.
Beautifully crafted one it was from Arsenal, though. And it saves them the point. |
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Another ridiculously overhyped game by Sky.
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Jose chooses to close the game down at 1-0 and it costs him. Not for the first time.
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