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Football Neutrals Thread - Part 2
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batdude_uk1
28-11-2016
Originally Posted by NorthernNinny:
“Snowflake generation.”

Where did this term originate from, as it does seem to have come to the fore in recent times.
NorthernNinny
28-11-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Where did this term originate from, as it does seem to have come to the fore in recent times.”

America I think. Kids who were mollycoddled by their parents and grew up to be overly sensitive.
Jamesp84
28-11-2016
Originally Posted by NorthernNinny:
“Snowflake generation.”

I don't even think it's that tbh.

Solely down to who's involved. If Conte did it all the talk would be about how passionate and fiery he is, if it was Klopp then it'd be about how wacky and crazy and funny he is. With Guardiola they'd be admiring how beautifully he struck the water bottle, revolutionising the touchline strop etc.

Mourinho does it and he's an out of control disgrace who's cracked up and lost the plot.
Jim De Ville
28-11-2016
When Wenger did it, everyone just thought that it was bloody funny.
batdude_uk1
28-11-2016
Originally Posted by NorthernNinny:
“America I think. Kids who were mollycoddled by their parents and grew up to be overly sensitive.”

Ah right, it just seems be a really strange nickname for something that it is representing.
Nova21
28-11-2016
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“I don't even think it's that tbh.

Solely down to who's involved. If Conte did it all the talk would be about how passionate and fiery he is, if it was Klopp then it'd be about how wacky and crazy and funny he is. With Guardiola they'd be admiring how beautifully he struck the water bottle, revolutionising the touchline strop etc.

Mourinho does it and he's an out of control disgrace who's cracked up and lost the plot.”

Mourinho had many years of being the media darling, he's not that anymore, partly due to his ungracious attitude in defeat and victory, partly because the other three that you mention are 'fresh young things' in the English game and partly because he's a miserable bugger.
Jim De Ville
28-11-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Ah right, it just seems be a really strange nickname for something that it is representing. ”

I don't understand why you'd find that 'really strange'.

A snowflake is perceived to be delicate and lightweight, exactly like the people that the phrase describes.
batdude_uk1
28-11-2016
Originally Posted by Jim De Ville:
“I don't understand why you'd find that 'really strange'.

A snowflake is perceived to be delicate and lightweight, exactly like the people that the phrase describes.”

I understand it, it just seems to have come to prominence really out of nowhere recently.
NorthernNinny
28-11-2016
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“I don't even think it's that tbh.

Solely down to who's involved. If Conte did it all the talk would be about how passionate and fiery he is, if it was Klopp then it'd be about how wacky and crazy and funny he is. With Guardiola they'd be admiring how beautifully he struck the water bottle, revolutionising the touchline strop etc.

Mourinho does it and he's an out of control disgrace who's cracked up and lost the plot.”

They loved Jose warts and all when he was at Chelsea and started to fall out of love with him during his annus horribilis . Now they have new idols to worship and he's at United the faults they were happy to overlook when it suited are staring them in the face.

Added to the fact that some of these journos have never forgiven us for ending Project Moyes. When Van Gaal was here they were constantly comparing his game stats to Moyes, now it's as if all the aggro they gave him didn't happen and they are now comparing Jose to Van Gaal.

Pondlife they are.
Jim De Ville
28-11-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I understand it, it just seems to have come to prominence really out of nowhere recently.”

Please re-read the post that I replied to.

You said that it's a 'really strange nickname'. I've explained why it's not.

It's 'prominence' wasn't mentioned, in said post.
Orchideam
28-11-2016
The term 'Snowflake' and it's meaning has been around for as long as I can remember, I'm dammed sure I recall Delboy calling Rodney one waaay back. It wasn't new then either.
batdude_uk1
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Orchideam:
“The term 'Snowflake' and it's meaning has been around for as long as I can remember, I'm dammed sure I recall Delboy calling Rodney one waaay back. It wasn't new then either.”

Fair enough, I was only speaking personally, as I don't think until fairly recently (a few months ago) I had heard the word spoken of in this sense.
mattlamb
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by NorthernNinny:
“He doesn't manage Chelsea anymore , it's far worse now.

I expect the apology is in the post, similar to the one Wenger got when he launched his foot at a water bottle during a Utd v Arsenal game?”

I'm not talking about the water bottle incident - which I agree is a lot of fuss about nothing,
NorthernNinny
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by mattlamb:
“I'm not talking about the water bottle incident - which I agree is a lot of fuss about nothing,”

He's always been like this why are the press suddenly waking up to it? They've been indulging him for years, but now they have new idols to worship and they certainly seem to have forgotten what Fergie used to be like.

Like I said some of them are still pissed that we sacked Moyes.The way they hounded Van Gaal compared to the easy ride they gave and still give to Moyes. They have axes to grind and no club fill the back pages quite like we do.
Pee
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by DUNDEEBOY:
“Rio Ferdinand and his six teams in the title race statement is starting to look a bit silly

The top 4 will be the top 4 and the champions will probably come from the top 3”

every single year people claim "5 or 6 clubs could win it", and it is never ever true.
Phoebica
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Pee:
“every single year people claim "5 or 6 clubs could win it", and it is never ever true.”

I agree. What does that even mean? Technically 20 teams could win it. But when it gets to the business end, it's not often between more than 2 teams.
codeblue
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Pee:
“every single year people claim "5 or 6 clubs could win it", and it is never ever true.”

You would have think they learned from Leicester last year.
TheSloth
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Phoebica:
“I agree. What does that even mean? Technically 20 teams could win it. But when it gets to the business end, it's not often between more than 2 teams.”

Things are better now than in the Eighties and Nineties - no monopolies/duopolies at least these days. The race may go down to two or three teams eventually but at present there's too long to go before we can safely say that - top 4 are looking set but Spurs and United still may have a say.

Four different EPL winners in 4 years is a good thing. From 1995/96 to 2003/04 we had the United/Arsenal domination and from 2004/05 to 2010/11 we had the United/Chelsea domination. There are more teams now that can regularly take points off each other and that can only be good for a competitive league. Leicester's miracle has also given many clubs a "can do" attitude which, added to the TV money, means the quality of the "also-rans" is getting better year-on-year generally.
whedon247
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“I don't even think it's that tbh.

Solely down to who's involved. If Conte did it all the talk would be about how passionate and fiery he is, if it was Klopp then it'd be about how wacky and crazy and funny he is. With Guardiola they'd be admiring how beautifully he struck the water bottle, revolutionising the touchline strop etc.

Mourinho does it and he's an out of control disgrace who's cracked up and lost the plot.”

always the victim hey james?
batdude_uk1
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“Things are better now than in the Eighties and Nineties - no monopolies/duopolies at least these days. The race may go down to two or three teams eventually but at present there's too long to go before we can safely say that - top 4 are looking set but Spurs and United still may have a say.

Four different EPL winners in 4 years is a good thing. From 1995/96 to 2003/04 we had the United/Arsenal domination and from 2004/05 to 2010/11 we had the United/Chelsea domination. There are more teams now that can regularly take points off each other and that can only be good for a competitive league. Leicester's miracle has also given many clubs a "can do" attitude which, added to the TV money, means the quality of the "also-rans" is getting better year-on-year generally.”

The last bit, is very much the key point here, the teams that used to be easy three points to a degree, no longer are, and have sufficient strength in depth, so that you won't see high scoring one sided games much anymore (thinking of when we beat Ipswich 9-0 for example).
It is a much tougher league to win, as the gap between the best teams and the worst is not as much as it once was.
celesti
29-11-2016
That 9-0 game was hardly a regular occurrence then either in fairness.
batdude_uk1
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by celesti:
“That 9-0 game was hardly a regular occurrence then either in fairness.”

True, but there have been occasions of six and sevens (Spurs scored nine past Wigan a few years back as well) in the past, which we are not seeing much of these days due to the closeness of the teams these days.
Nova21
29-11-2016
Southampton put 6 past man united and Newcastle put 5 past them in successive weeks... Those days could be coming back!
celesti
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“True, but there have been occasions of six and sevens (Spurs scored nine past Wigan a few years back as well) in the past, which we are not seeing much of these days due to the closeness of the teams these days.”

Two 6-1 games already this season, a few last season, Southampton battering Sunderland by 8, Man City beating Norwich by 7, Chelsea beating Villa by 8 all in the last five seasons.

The more things change and all that.
NorthernNinny
29-11-2016
Originally Posted by celesti:
“That 9-0 game was hardly a regular occurrence then either in fairness.”

I went to that match. A friend of my husband turned down the ticket cause he thought it would be a bit of a shit game.

He watched it via teletext instead and admitted he was a bit gutted .
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