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Football Neutrals Thread - Part 2
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Originally Posted by John_Adam1:
“I'm tired of so many people slagging John Stones off. I believe he could develop into a brilliant player, he's still quite young and has been bigged-up too much for his own good.
It's not his fault if Pep paid silly money for him - sure, he might not be worth that price-tag, but he's not a bad player either. Give him a break? I feel similarly about Luke Shaw at ManUtd - he's been criticised too much too. Both have great potential if given a chance.”
“I'm tired of so many people slagging John Stones off. I believe he could develop into a brilliant player, he's still quite young and has been bigged-up too much for his own good.
It's not his fault if Pep paid silly money for him - sure, he might not be worth that price-tag, but he's not a bad player either. Give him a break? I feel similarly about Luke Shaw at ManUtd - he's been criticised too much too. Both have great potential if given a chance.”
You dont pay 50 million for a player who could develop into a world class defender (a world record fee) , you want the real deal.
Now they have very much the player not good enough for the Everton team, who looks lost at city and is making error after error. He even does this for England too with his calamity nature.
He is going backwards, the media give him all the plaudits, charitable forum members such as yourself argue he still has potential, but ignore his errors. Rather than progressing he has got worse. A liability.
Originally Posted by suemo:
“Sounds like it was quite a different sending off at Ipswich with Cardiff's Sol Bamba wanting to fight everyone including his physio and manager(Warnock)
Will have to watch out for the highlights”
“Sounds like it was quite a different sending off at Ipswich with Cardiff's Sol Bamba wanting to fight everyone including his physio and manager(Warnock)
Will have to watch out for the highlights”
Just saw this on the TV
Think he may be on the transfer list this morning
Still not sure why he got upset over the free kick not being given
The ref played advantage to his team
A lot of stick and sarcasm being aimed at Pep as a big name manager and Stones as an expensive buy on here by certain parties. What's that they say about people in glass houses? 
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“You dont pay 50 million for a player who could develop into a world class defender (a world record fee) , you want the real deal.
Now they have very much the player not good enough for the Everton team, who looks lost at city and is making error after error. He even does this for England too with his calamity nature.
He is going backwards, the media give him all the plaudits, charitable forum members such as yourself argue he still has potential, but ignore his errors. Rather than progressing he has got worse. A liability.”
“You dont pay 50 million for a player who could develop into a world class defender (a world record fee) , you want the real deal.
Now they have very much the player not good enough for the Everton team, who looks lost at city and is making error after error. He even does this for England too with his calamity nature.
He is going backwards, the media give him all the plaudits, charitable forum members such as yourself argue he still has potential, but ignore his errors. Rather than progressing he has got worse. A liability.”
Agreed. People kid themselves with the "potential" line.
Chelsea
Courtois
Azpilicueta
David Luiz
Cahill
Moses
Kanté
Matic
Alonso
Pedro
Diego Costa
Hazard
West Brom
Foster
Dawson
McAuley
Evans
Nyom
Fletcher
Yacob
Brunt
Morrison
Phillips
Rondón
Courtois
Azpilicueta
David Luiz
Cahill
Moses
Kanté
Matic
Alonso
Pedro
Diego Costa
Hazard
West Brom
Foster
Dawson
McAuley
Evans
Nyom
Fletcher
Yacob
Brunt
Morrison
Phillips
Rondón
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“A lot of stick and sarcasm being aimed at Pep as a big name manager and Stones as an expensive buy on here by certain parties. What's that they say about people in glass houses?”
“A lot of stick and sarcasm being aimed at Pep as a big name manager and Stones as an expensive buy on here by certain parties. What's that they say about people in glass houses?
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Pep has won the league in 2 different countries.
Very different from a defender with nothing but this mysterious "potential".
All this because he used to try and play the ball out like a midfielder. That's all well and good if you are solid defensively. But if you are a poor defender and your errors ship goals - you are a complete liability.
He has the potential to be great, but also the potential to be the biggest flop in football history. I know where my money is.
Stones is a good footballer but ultimately a 22 year old defender. He'll make poor decisions as did the likes of Adams and Ferdinand at his age. Given his price tag and the club who paid it, every mistake will be highlighted. He's been told to play from the back so will take more risks. Decision-making is only honed through experience.
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“Pep has won the league in 2 different countries.
Very different from a defender with nothing but this mysterious "potential".
All this because he used to try and play the ball out like a midfielder. That's all well and good if you are solid defensively. But if you are a poor defender and your errors ship goals - you are a complete liability.
He has the potential to be great, but also the potential to be the biggest flop in football history. I know where my money is.”
“Pep has won the league in 2 different countries.
Very different from a defender with nothing but this mysterious "potential".
All this because he used to try and play the ball out like a midfielder. That's all well and good if you are solid defensively. But if you are a poor defender and your errors ship goals - you are a complete liability.
He has the potential to be great, but also the potential to be the biggest flop in football history. I know where my money is.”
We ALL know where your money is.
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“You dont pay 50 million for a player who could develop into a world class defender (a world record fee) , you want the real deal.
Now they have very much the player not good enough for the Everton team, who looks lost at city and is making error after error. He even does this for England too with his calamity nature.
He is going backwards, the media give him all the plaudits, charitable forum members such as yourself argue he still has potential, but ignore his errors. Rather than progressing he has got worse. A liability.”
“You dont pay 50 million for a player who could develop into a world class defender (a world record fee) , you want the real deal.
Now they have very much the player not good enough for the Everton team, who looks lost at city and is making error after error. He even does this for England too with his calamity nature.
He is going backwards, the media give him all the plaudits, charitable forum members such as yourself argue he still has potential, but ignore his errors. Rather than progressing he has got worse. A liability.”
A good job Everton didn't know their place when they refused to sell him to Chelsea wasn't it?
Originally Posted by NorthernNinny:
“A good job Everton didn't know their place when they refused to sell him to Chelsea wasn't it?”
“A good job Everton didn't know their place when they refused to sell him to Chelsea wasn't it?”
I rejoice on their greed.
The one thing Pep needs to learn is that the best teams have consistency of selection, especially at the back, where a goalkeeper will know where he cenrrebacks will be nine or ten times out if ten, you just don't get that by changing the defensive set-up week after week.
Arsenal had it in the early nineties, we had it twice with Bruce/Palister and Rio/Vidic, until that happens then City will continue to struggle to keep clean sheets.
Arsenal had it in the early nineties, we had it twice with Bruce/Palister and Rio/Vidic, until that happens then City will continue to struggle to keep clean sheets.
Originally Posted by TheSloth:
“Stones is a good footballer but ultimately a 22 year old defender. He'll make poor decisions as did the likes of Adams and Ferdinand at his age. Given his price tag and the club who paid it, every mistake will be highlighted. He's been told to play from the back so will take more risks. Decision-making is only honed through experience.”
“Stones is a good footballer but ultimately a 22 year old defender. He'll make poor decisions as did the likes of Adams and Ferdinand at his age. Given his price tag and the club who paid it, every mistake will be highlighted. He's been told to play from the back so will take more risks. Decision-making is only honed through experience.”
I think Adams, Ferdinand and Terry were streets ahead of Stones at the same age. Yes, they made the odd mistake, but not consistently. Stones appears to be trying to run before he can walk. Maybe it's all the hype, but he has to learn to get the basics right.
I'm very glad we missed out and didn't sign him, it was an enormous sum to pay for "potential" just because he happens to be home-grown.
As a website summed up perfectly today, the pundits, the managers, his own ego and the fee declared him "world class" before he had even mastered "good".
He was compared to baresi, bobby Moore and stones himself said he was like Rio Ferdinand. Absolute garbage. If he is great for the next ten years , he still wouldn't be in that category of company.
The hype around him was ridiculous. Yes, it's great when a defender glides past a closing down striker and plays it forward, but stones keeps getting caught and gifting goals.
He is just not good enough.
He was compared to baresi, bobby Moore and stones himself said he was like Rio Ferdinand. Absolute garbage. If he is great for the next ten years , he still wouldn't be in that category of company.
The hype around him was ridiculous. Yes, it's great when a defender glides past a closing down striker and plays it forward, but stones keeps getting caught and gifting goals.
He is just not good enough.
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“The one thing Pep needs to learn is that the best teams have consistency of selection, especially at the back, where a goalkeeper will know where he cenrrebacks will be nine or ten times out if ten, you just don't get that by changing the defensive set-up week after week.
Arsenal had it in the early nineties, we had it twice with Bruce/Palister and Rio/Vidic, until that happens then City will continue to struggle to keep clean sheets.”
“The one thing Pep needs to learn is that the best teams have consistency of selection, especially at the back, where a goalkeeper will know where he cenrrebacks will be nine or ten times out if ten, you just don't get that by changing the defensive set-up week after week.
Arsenal had it in the early nineties, we had it twice with Bruce/Palister and Rio/Vidic, until that happens then City will continue to struggle to keep clean sheets.”
Yes of course, he won't know that consistency helps performances. That's why he conceded a massive 17 goals at Bayern last season, if only he'd known that consistency would help.
I notice you're changing what he doesn't know about. Am I to take it you realised that you were wrong to claim he knew nothing for not viewing tackling as important? Since it would require saying Fergie, Maldini etc knew nothing.
there seem to be quite a few things Pep needs to learn, according to the eminently more knowledgable batdude. I particularly laughed at the advice about winning things and managing the best sides.
I also love how it's Man U fans crowing the loudest, even from 9 points behind, and having conceded a whopping 3 goals less than this historically calamitous defence coached by a clueless manager.
Also, the whole "being found out by the PL" BS that I've not stopped hearing about these last couple of weeks is pretty stupid too, considering the league is currently being led by another manager without a singe day's PL experience before this season.
I also love how it's Man U fans crowing the loudest, even from 9 points behind, and having conceded a whopping 3 goals less than this historically calamitous defence coached by a clueless manager.
Also, the whole "being found out by the PL" BS that I've not stopped hearing about these last couple of weeks is pretty stupid too, considering the league is currently being led by another manager without a singe day's PL experience before this season.
Originally Posted by Pee:
“there seem to be quite a few things Pep needs to learn, according to the eminently more knowledgable batdude. I particularly laughed at the advice about winning things and managing the best sides.
I also love how it's Man U fans crowing the loudest, even from 9 points behind, and having conceded a whopping 3 goals less than this historically calamitous defence coached by a clueless manager.
Also, the whole "being found out by the PL" BS that I've not stopped hearing about these last couple of weeks is pretty stupid too, considering the league is currently being led by another manager without a singe day's PL experience before this season.”
“there seem to be quite a few things Pep needs to learn, according to the eminently more knowledgable batdude. I particularly laughed at the advice about winning things and managing the best sides.
I also love how it's Man U fans crowing the loudest, even from 9 points behind, and having conceded a whopping 3 goals less than this historically calamitous defence coached by a clueless manager.
Also, the whole "being found out by the PL" BS that I've not stopped hearing about these last couple of weeks is pretty stupid too, considering the league is currently being led by another manager without a singe day's PL experience before this season.”
It's genuinely absurd. It makes sense that fans are going to say where they think X is going wrong but to actually claim that a manager who's had that level of success knows nothing and you know more is just ridiculous.
But for your second paragraph, all I can say is that's not true. There's been one United fan on here pulling this crap with fans of other clubs. And every time that fan has tried this stuff this season, he's been pulled up on it. United fans in general enjoyed the defeat because it was humiliating for our rivals but claiming that we're crowing is untrue.
Originally Posted by Pee:
“sorry I wasn't clear, I meant fans in general, not just on here.”
“sorry I wasn't clear, I meant fans in general, not just on here.”
Fair enough, although I'd still argue the majority were just enjoying a bad result for our rivals than actually using it to dismiss City/Guardiola.
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