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I love it how that interviewer asked Darren Randolph if that was a good result for West Ham. And when he said no because i made that mistake for Liverpools equaliser. The interviewer said. At least you saved West Ham from losing with that save from Henderson. And the point helps you get out of the bottom three. And Randolph replied No im not happy. We should have won the game.
Why do these interviewers always ask some stupid questions |
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With the best clubs in two different countries.
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The chances of Guardiola managing Alaves and St Pauli were probably a little remote.
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it was very unsporting of Pep not to decline the Barca job and manage Alcorcon instead, I must agree.
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it was very unsporting of Pep not to decline the Barca job and manage Alcorcon instead, I must agree.
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it was very unsporting of Pep not to decline the Barca job and manage Alcorcon instead, I must agree.
If pep has started his career in league 2 i have no doubt we would be saying "pep who?.... Oh, the player who used performance enhancing drugs and got banned! That pep!" |
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He started on a pretty prestigious conveyor belt, but if he wasn't up to the task he would have fallen off it quite quickly.
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firstly, I would argue that he made it the best job in football. secondly, he took over a team that had finished 3rd (18 points behind the winners) in a supposed 2 team league, and didn't just win but made them one of the most dominant teams in all of football's history. thirdly, it's a myth that he just inherited a great team. yes he inherited Messi, Xavi and Iniesta, but they weren't the focal point of the team at the time. that was Ronaldinho, Eto'o and Deco whom he got rid of. no-one had heard of Busquets or Pedro, and I doubt even Man U fans would've been able to pick Pique out in a line-up, yet he took them from Barca B and Man U reserves and made them important parts of a team that won every single trophy it participated in for one and a half seasons, and 14 out of 19 overall. he gave 22 youth players their debuts in 4 seasons, in a team where the demand to win is utterly relentless, and he just kept winning. that's pretty much unheard of at the highest level. you don't do that without being great yourself, and I don't know that any other manager would've achieved what he did there. that's not to say no-one else would've been successful there, but to win the number of trophies he did, and in the style that he did is an incredible achievement. I'll repeat, 14 out of 19 trophies. there has never been any collection of players anywhere that has ever been expected win 75% of trophies at a high level over that space of time, so to pretend after the fact that he just did what was expected, and to distill all that down to "he was parachuted into a great club with unlimited funds" shows a huge lack of knowledge and understanding on your part.
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thirdly, it's a myth that he just inherited a great team. yes he inherited Messi, Xavi and Iniesta, but they weren't the focal point of the team at the time. that was Ronaldinho, Eto'o and Deco whom he got rid of. no-one had heard of Busquets or Pedro,
Then you say: Messi Xavi Iniesta Ronaldinho Eto'o Deco And throw in Pique and Busquets and Pedro for good measure! Loving it! I'm sure according to you none of them could push Charlie Adam out of a team. |
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Ahhhh the old nonsense of "they should start down the lower leagues"
Its very simplistic to talk about Pepe at Barca and and just say he "got the best job in football" but if you actually look into the situation and what he actually did it was far from a easy job (being at Barca or Real is never a easy job in reality), Yes he had some very good players but at the same time he had to restructure the playing side of the club entirely which at a club like Barca is very difficult (its taken Chelsea years and years to do so and Pepe did it in a summer). The best job in football is working for a mid-table club with very low demands, Working for clubs like Barca,Real,Chelsea,Utd etc are the worst jobs in football because no matter what you do it wont be good enough because everyone now is a armchair manager Conte got one of the "best" jobs in football a team that two seasons before had won the title, Should we not praise him? Or could anyone have done the job he is doing? |
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Ahhhh the old nonsense of "they should start down the lower leagues"
Its very simplistic to talk about Pepe at Barca and and just say he "got the best job in football" but if you actually look into the situation and what he actually did it was far from a easy job (being at Barca or Real is never a easy job in reality), Yes he had some very good players but at the same time he had to restructure the playing side of the club entirely which at a club like Barca is very difficult (its taken Chelsea years and years to do so and Pepe did it in a summer). The best job in football is working for a mid-table club with very low demands, Working for clubs like Barca,Real,Chelsea,Utd etc are the worst jobs in football because no matter what you do it wont be good enough because everyone now is a armchair manager Conte got one of the "best" jobs in football a team that two seasons before had won the title, Should we not praise him? Or could anyone have done the job he is doing? |
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Guess the Beeb view the Europa league as a totally different name to the UEFA Cup rather than just a revamped name.
See the wording at the end of the sentence in this BBC article under the picture of Jose.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38291168 2003 Porto v Celtic? |
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Klopp and the Nevilles getting on well http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38291484l
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Klopp and the Nevilles getting on well http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38291484l
Maybe we should have more of the stating the bleeding obvious Jamie Rednapp type pundits instead if we insist on being so precious about any kind of criticism of players? |
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As I said in the Broadcasting forum its ok when 2 Liverpool legends criticise the goalie/team though?
Souness and Carragher.. Partly pandering to the Liverpool fans whilst naturally support his player who he brought. |
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Carragher: "My advice to Karius would be to shut up and do your job."
I can see why Klopp would want to defend his player, especially one who's new to the league, but I do wonder whether he'd have been best advised to keep schtum instead of keeping the 'story' bubbling. |
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Klopp generally doesn't take notice of the media, when he can help it. He was asked about it in a press conference and so answered it.
In fact, when he was asked, he said he doesn't care, and said he doesn't want to answer, because anything he says would create headlines. And he was asked again, and still didn't want to answer. And later on he was asked again, about the criticism, and then spoke about the pundits being former players and how they should understand the effect criticism has on a player. I don't think there was anything wrong or precious in what he actually says. They kept asking and eventually got an answer. His comment on Gary Neville's time as manager was about him understanding criticism. |
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At the end of the day, it's a pundit's job to say what they see, so I have no real problem with the criticism itself. However, I think Karius is entitled to defend himself without then being told by the people criticising him to shut up and get on with his job.
I remember Jamie Carragher taking issue with something said on talksport while he was still playing, and actually calling up the show to put the presenter right. Why was that ok, but Karius responding isn't? |
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At the end of the day, it's a pundit's job to say what they see, so I have no real problem with the criticism itself. However, I think Karius is entitled to defend himself without then being told by the people criticising him to shut up and get on with his job.
I remember Jamie Carragher taking issue with something said on talksport while he was still playing, and actually calling up the show to put the presenter right. Why was that ok, but Karius responding isn't? |
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Doubt Leicester fans ever expected to see 2 of their players in the World's top 10!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/38238660 |
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Doubt Leicester fans ever expected to see 2 of their players in the World's top 10!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/38238660 Wonders never cease Oh and by the way. Where was Kante |
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I think Klopp's observation of Gary Neville hit it on the head. It is easy to analyse and criticise from the comfort of a studio but when Gary Neville took over at Valencia it was a different story not forgetting his brother was his assistant.
He's paid to highlight mistakes, and to discuss how things could/should have been different. The whole point of punditry is to look at things with hindsight. I don't see much in the way of wonderful management CVs in the world of punditry. Should they all just shrug and say, 'well, I'm not really qualified to comment'? Klopp should have just laughed it off, in my opinion. |
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It's his job.
He's paid to highlight mistakes, and to discuss how things could/should have been different. The whole point of punditry is to look at things with hindsight. I don't see much in the way of wonderful management CVs in the world of punditry. Should they all just shrug and say, 'well, I'm not really qualified to comment'? Klopp should have just laughed it off, in my opinion. So his views rightly carry a lot of weight, and when he points out a players failings then people should listen to what he says, not try to say he is wrong for doing so. |
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Yup Klopp was wrong to have a go at someone who know more than a thing or two about what a top level goalkeeper looks like, having played with Pete and one two others in his time.
So his views rightly carry a lot of weight, and when he points out a players failings then people should listen to what he says, not try to say he is wrong for doing so. If a 'keeper makes a mistake, then it's the pundit's job to point it out. |
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Yup Klopp was wrong to have a go at someone who know more than a thing or two about what a top level goalkeeper looks like, having played with Pete and one two others in his time.
So his views rightly carry a lot of weight, and when he points out a players failings then people should listen to what he says, not try to say he is wrong for doing so. Hopefully Jean Alain Boumsong can chip in with an opinion soon since he played with Gianluigi Buffon. |
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