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Football Neutrals Thread - Part 2
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batdude_uk1
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jim De Ville:
“That's not really the point. The same would apply to any pundit, regardless of who they've played with.

If a 'keeper makes a mistake, then it's the pundit's job to point it out.”

Yes, that is all well and true, but also if someone has played at the top level for as long as Gary (Phil as well), and have played with a keeper as good as Schmeichel snr, or someone on such a high level, and can be concise and express their point as well as possible, then their point of view should be listened to.

Originally Posted by Dandem:
“Wonderful logic. People should listen to Gary Neville because he played with Peter Schmeichel? Righto.

Hopefully Jean Alain Boumsong can chip in with an opinion soon since he played with Gianluigi Buffon.”

I don't quite know how good his English is, or what level of detail he could go into, when discussing these things, but if he can put across his point in well thought out way, like Gary, then why not listen to what he has to say?

For the record, I have not heard any interviews with him, so I don't know what he is capable of in this sort of situation.
Dandem
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“I don't quite know how good his English is, or what level of detail he could go into, when discussing these things, but if he can put across his point in well thought out way, like Gary, then why not listen to what he has to say?

For the record, I have not heard any interviews with him, so I don't know what he is capable of in this sort of situation.”

You.....this.......I......

*sigh*
Jim De Ville
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Yes, that is all well and true, but also if someone has played at the top level for as long as Gary (Phil as well), and have played with a keeper as good as Schmeichel snr, or someone on such a high level, and can be concise and express their point as well as possible, then their point of view should be listened to.”

'Should' be listened to? Why?

People choose to either listen to pundits, or not. Who they've played with isn't really relevant.

Keane and Scholes were fantastic players, and played with other fantastic players. They're awful pundits. Same with Henry and Owen.
celesti
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Yup Klopp was wrong to have a go at someone who know more than a thing or two about what a top level goalkeeper looks like, having played with Pete and one two others in his time.”

He should have started it with 'What Nev needs to learn about goalkeepers is'
Jamesp84
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Dandem:
“You.....this.......I......

*sigh*”



Don't worry, we've all been there.
batdude_uk1
12-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jamesp84:
“

Don't worry, we've all been there.”

Been where??
celesti
12-12-2016
Huh????
David_Flett1
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by codeblue:
“"its a myth he inherited a great team"

Then you say:

Messi
Xavi
Iniesta
Ronaldinho
Eto'o
Deco

And throw in Pique and Busquets and Pedro for good measure!

Loving it!

I'm sure according to you none of them could push Charlie Adam out of a team.”

As pointed out Ronaldinho and Deco left, Busquets and Pedro were promoted from the B team he also changed the role of Messi.
TheMunch
13-12-2016
Yaya Toure claims he accidentally consumed alcohol when he was caught drinking and driving.

Did someone spike his cake?
batdude_uk1
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by TheMunch:
“Yaya Toure claims he accidentally consumed alcohol when he was caught drinking and driving.

Did someone spike his cake?”

How do you accidentally consume enough alcohol to be over the limit?
grauniad
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“How do you accidentally consume enough alcohol to be over the limit? ”

Moreover, how do you consume enough to be over the limit when, as a Muslim, he says he doesn't drink alcohol?

Tomorrow, we are going through the round window.
David_Flett1
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jim De Ville:
“It's his job.

He's paid to highlight mistakes, and to discuss how things could/should have been different.

The whole point of punditry is to look at things with hindsight. I don't see much in the way of wonderful management CVs in the world of punditry. Should they all just shrug and say, 'well, I'm not really qualified to comment'?

Klopp should have just laughed it off, in my opinion.”

But how many pundits are actually any good? One of the most annoying features of today's commentary is the inane analysis that accompanies the commentary of a game especially Hargreaves, McMannaman and Owen who just never stop. I do think Gary Neville is a good analysist but no coach in the world has ever achieved his goal of each player carrying out instructions to the full, mistakes will happen and it is up to the coach to drop that player if he doesn't learn. As for the Liverpool keepers, just look at how many mistakes Mignolet has made over the last few seasons, how many points it cost Liverpool, Klopp probably hasn't much choice in sticking with Karius the mistake is not finding the best keeper in the first place. Karius is young and will learn or at least lets hope so but a keeper need to be experienced from the get go, he is not just there to stop shots and deal with crosses he is there to make sure his back four have confidence in him and as a result attend to their defensive duties instead of worrying about what is behind them.
Jim De Ville
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by David_Flett1:
“But how many pundits are actually any good? One of the most annoying features of today's commentary is the inane analysis that accompanies the commentary of a game especially Hargreaves, McMannaman and Owen who just never stop. I do think Gary Neville is a good analysist but no coach in the world has ever achieved his goal of each player carrying out instructions to the full, mistakes will happen and it is up to the coach to drop that player if he doesn't learn. As for the Liverpool keepers, just look at how many mistakes Mignolet has made over the last few seasons, how many points it cost Liverpool, Klopp probably hasn't much choice in sticking with Karius the mistake is not finding the best keeper in the first place. Karius is young and will learn or at least lets hope so but a keeper need to be experienced from the get go, he is not just there to stop shots and deal with crosses he is there to make sure his back four have confidence in him and as a result attend to their defensive duties instead of worrying about what is behind them.”

I don't disagree with any of that.

Yes, mistakes will happen, and pundits are paid to comment on those mistakes. Moaning about justified criticism seems pretty thin-skinned, to me.
celesti
13-12-2016
We've all started on the wine gums and before you know it the box is empty, I'm with Yaya
batdude_uk1
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by grauniad:
“Moreover, how do you consume enough to be over the limit when, as a Muslim, he says he doesn't drink alcohol?

Tomorrow, we are going through the round window.”

Me thinks he is telling the court a few porkies.

Does a driving ban in this country hold up in other countries, as if he moves on in January or the summer, then there isn't much point in giving him a ban is there if it doesn't?
Orchideam
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Me thinks he is telling the court a few porkies.

Does a driving ban in this country hold up in other countries, as if he moves on in January or the summer, then there isn't much point in giving him a ban is there if it doesn't?”

Muslims don't do 'Porkies'!
batdude_uk1
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jim De Ville:
“I don't disagree with any of that.

Yes, mistakes will happen, and pundits are paid to comment on those mistakes. Moaning about justified criticism seems pretty thin-skinned, to me.”

Klopp should have left it well alone, but he couldn't resist having a dig at the Neville brothers, rather conveniently leaving aside Carragher's criticism of the keeper.
Claiming the bothers are biast, I must have missed Gary being critical of De Gea when he was making mistakes, so that one doesn't stick, shame he didn't do his research before going off on that rant.
batdude_uk1
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by Orchideam:
“ Muslims don't do 'Porkies'!”

Oops, probably a bad or poor choice of word there in that sense, but then again they don't do alcohol either do they?
Orchideam
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Oops, probably a bad or poor choice of word there in that sense, but then again they don't do alcohol either do they?”

No. But some do get a buzz from 'Fruit Juice'.
TheMunch
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Klopp should have left it well alone, but he couldn't resist having a dig at the Neville brothers, rather conveniently leaving aside Carragher's criticism of the keeper.
Claiming the bothers are biast, I must have missed Gary being critical of De Gea when he was making mistakes, so that one doesn't stick, shame he didn't do his research before going off on that rant.”

He tried to leave it alone but the press kept pestering him and eventually he gave an answer. He repeatedly said he does not want to get involved but the media want their story so he gave them one, while taking the attention away from Karius as a result. Mourinho's been praised for years for doing that with his players.

It was barely a rant, too. There are plenty of people who can't resist having a dig at others, and speaking without doing any research, and accusing others of biased while being biased themselves, but Klopp isn't one of them.
Jim De Ville
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by TheMunch:
“It was barely a rant, too.”

Yeah, calling it 'a rant' is provocative, and untrue.
batdude_uk1
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by Jim De Ville:
“Yeah, calling it 'a rant' is provocative, and untrue.”

What parameters are we using to define what a rant is here?
Jim De Ville
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“What parameters are we using to define what a rant is here?”

How about those set out by the dictionary?

verb (used without object)

1. to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently; talk in a wild or vehement way; rave:
'The demagogue ranted for hours.'

verb (used with object)

2. to utter or declaim in a ranting manner.

noun

3. ranting, extravagant, or violent declamation.

4. a ranting utterance.

None of that applies to what Klopp said, in my opinion.
Pee
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by batdude_uk1:
“Me thinks he is telling the court a few porkies.

Does a driving ban in this country hold up in other countries, as if he moves on in January or the summer, then there isn't much point in giving him a ban is there if it doesn't?”

what should we do instead, apply a world-wide ban? or maybe even jail him and dock City some points?
DavidT
13-12-2016
Originally Posted by Pee:
“what should we do instead, apply a world-wide ban? or maybe even jail him and dock City some points?”

As long as its it an uubiased manner of course.
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