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Old 20-03-2016, 21:56
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How fickle are football fans hey!! - some of the stuff I have seen from LFC fans today has been shocking - but no more than from other teams.

Last week AFC lost to Watford and the fan reaction was extreme - now with a good 2-0 away win they have calmed down.

MUFC lost to us and that caused some fall out - to say the least. but now after winning the derby 4th is in sight again and things have calmed.

MCFC fans won a cup a few weeks ago and are still in the CL but after today no doubt their fans are beyond despair and ripping into the team and the manager.

Even TH lost in the cup to Palace and got hammered by Dortmund so their fans have had some bad days too.

The truth is we all need to calm down a bit and enjoy the good when it happens and not go too OTT when the bad happens - as no team apart from Leicester has achieved the consistency we all crave. Easy to say - and hard to do as i was driving and listening to the commentary today on the radio and i almost crashed the car so mad was I at the capitulation - funny old game isn't it!!
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Old 20-03-2016, 22:04
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How fickle are football fans hey!! - some of the stuff I have seen from LFC fans today has been shocking - but no more than from other teams.

Last week AFC lost to Watford and the fan reaction was extreme - now with a good 2-0 away win they have calmed down.

MUFC lost to us and that caused some fall out - to say the least. but now after winning the derby 4th is in sight again and things have calmed.

MCFC fans won a cup a few weeks ago and are still in the CL but after today no doubt their fans are beyond despair and ripping into the team and the manager.

Even TH lost in the cup to Palace and got hammered by Dortmund so their fans have had some bad days too.

The truth is we all need to calm down a bit and enjoy the good when it happens and not go too OTT when the bad happens - as no team apart from Leicester has achieved the consistency we all crave. Easy to say - and hard to do as i was driving and listening to the commentary today on the radio and i almost crashed the car so mad was I at the capitulation - funny old game isn't it!!
Para's 2 & 3 seem to still want their manager out though despite their results.

Liverpool should not be throwing 2 goal leads away that's for sure but maybe you've read some fans going a bit OTT.

Arsenal, despite an away win at Goodison were still chanting for Wenger to go

Man Utd fans do not want LVG whatever results he gets from here on in you suspect.
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Old 20-03-2016, 22:17
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Para's 2 & 3 seem to still want their manager out though despite their results.

Liverpool should not be throwing 2 goal leads away that's for sure but maybe you've read some fans going a bit OTT.

Arsenal, despite an away win at Goodison were still chanting for Wenger to go

Man Utd fans do not want LVG whatever results he gets from here on in you suspect.
I agree. I dont think these fans are fickle at all. The United fans who want rid of Van Gaal will still want him out if he won every league game from now until the end of the season and lifted the FA Cup because the overall package this season has been terrible and its taken some time to arrive at the conclusion that he needs to go.

The dissatisfaction Arsenal fans have with Wenger has been building for years and wouldnt go away with one result and I think City are just marking time until the end of the season knowing a change is coming anyway.
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Old 20-03-2016, 22:24
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Para's 2 & 3 seem to still want their manager out though despite their results.

Liverpool should not be throwing 2 goal leads away that's for sure but maybe you've read some fans going a bit OTT.

Arsenal, despite an away win at Goodison were still chanting for Wenger to go

Man Utd fans do not want LVG whatever results he gets from here on in you suspect.
Read this on the BBC web site, which might help explain the reaction,

Liverpool lost a game in which they were leading by two or more goals at half-time for the first time in Premier League history, having previously won 112 and drawn three of 115 games.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35796778
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Old 20-03-2016, 22:29
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General question. Am I the only person who thinks Klopp has aged really badly from the day he took over until today? The guy interviewed in the last couple of weeks looks incredibly stressed and about 10 years older than the guy who bounced into Anfield a few months back or was managing Dortmund.

I know being a football manager is an incredibly stressful job but even so!
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Old 20-03-2016, 22:46
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Yeah it's end of the cycle. One problem they could have is shifting players out as they are on good money and it's more than likely they will have to take pay cuts elsewhere.
I can see Yaya ending up in China for big money. Kompany will wind down his career and Silva will maybe play a reduced/adapted role in the squad. Aguero and Hart are still good for another few years.

How can you talk of city being at the end of the cycle when they spend hundreds of millions every season?
Because they've had the same core players that they rely on for about four or five seasons and they're all in decline.
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Old 20-03-2016, 22:54
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Far too sensible an explanation.

Codeblue is, as ever, deliberately misinterpreting the point being made.
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Old 20-03-2016, 23:04
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what a pathetic performance from bournemouth today.
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Old 20-03-2016, 23:51
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General question. Am I the only person who thinks Klopp has aged really badly from the day he took over until today? The guy interviewed in the last couple of weeks looks incredibly stressed and about 10 years older than the guy who bounced into Anfield a few months back or was managing Dortmund.

I know being a football manager is an incredibly stressful job but even so!
That's a good shout. Do people on here remember "The Great Escape"? Klopp reminds me of Ives, the guy who pretended to like being locked in the cooler but was secretly on the edge of cracking up I actually like and respect Klopp but I think he's finding things much tougher than he expected.

Mind you that game alone today would have aged him a couple of months at least. I didn't realise Southampton missed a pen and still won

what a pathetic performance from bournemouth today.
Didn't see the whole match but watching on MOTD2 it seemed more like Spurs were on fire. Kane especially.
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Old 21-03-2016, 00:06
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Nailed on pen missed by the ref, awful awful refereeing

Why didn't he book rashford for diving then?
Because it was neither.

There was contact but it was with the shoulder. Which is allowed.
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Old 21-03-2016, 00:08
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The ref bottles a clear second yellow for smalling.

Not fit for purpose, I'm calling him a cheat, it cannot just be incompetance.
Wrong again.
It was a foul. It was not a foul worthy of a yellow card.
Not every foul deserves a booking.
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Old 21-03-2016, 00:10
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Agree with that. More and more refs are becoming "bottlers" in the big matches these days and nothing ever gets done about them. If anything, they get praised by the FA and commentators for not sending people off!
It was good refeering.

Not every foul is a booking and not every challenge in the box is a penalty.
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Old 21-03-2016, 00:15
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If Mourinho does end up at our gaff then stand by for some magnificent bitterness from her.

She's already started and he's not even been announced yet.
I think it would be a g=big mistake for United to bring in Mourinho.
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Old 21-03-2016, 00:18
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I agree. I dont think these fans are fickle at all. The United fans who want rid of Van Gaal will still want him out if he won every league game from now until the end of the season and lifted the FA Cup because the overall package this season has been terrible and its taken some time to arrive at the conclusion that he needs to go.

The dissatisfaction Arsenal fans have with Wenger has been building for years and wouldnt go away with one result and I think City are just marking time until the end of the season knowing a change is coming anyway.
If the reason for getting shot of Van Gaal is poor football, then Mouinho is one of the worst men possible to replace him.

Yet United fans don;t seem to get this......
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Old 21-03-2016, 00:19
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Para's 2 & 3 seem to still want their manager out though despite their results.

Liverpool should not be throwing 2 goal leads away that's for sure but maybe you've read some fans going a bit OTT.

Arsenal, despite an away win at Goodison were still chanting for Wenger to go

Man Utd fans do not want LVG whatever results he gets from here on in you suspect.
Don't totally disagree with you tbh - and my use of the word fickle was perhaps not quite the right word and a mistake in retrospect - all I was trying to highlight was how in such a short time (in most cases a week) things can be so up and down for your average fan.

I am aware that LVG will never be acceptable to MUFC fans - Paul Scholes explains it well and I get that - and I think he is largely right. If I was a MUFC fan given the recent history of MUFC he would not be acceptable to me either. But even so I bet all their fans today are a lot more up than they were on Thursday - in fact I know they are having been the subject of a few good natured FB ribbings from my MUFC supporting friends!! - and that just shows the up and down nature of being a fan.

Re AFC I have seen fans burning shirts on FB accompanying it by 4 letter word abusive rants about Wenger in the last week - which I think is very poor but there you are - and to me chanting for a manager to be sacked is always dodgy at the very least and when it is someone who has given the club the service Wenger has that for me makes it even worse.
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Old 21-03-2016, 00:26
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Don't totally disagree with you tbh - and my use of the word fickle was perhaps not quite the right word and a mistake in retrospect - all I was trying to highlight was how in such a short time (in most cases a week) things can be so up and down for your average fan.

I am aware that LVG will never be acceptable to MUFC fans - Paul Scholes explains it well and I get that - and I think he is largely right. If I was a MUFC fan given the recent history of MUFC he would not be acceptable to me either. But even so I bet all their fans today are a lot more up than they were on Thursday - in fact I know they are having been the subject of a few good natured FB ribbings from my MUFC supporting friends!! - and that just shows the up and down nature of being a fan.

Re AFC I have seen fans burning shirts on FB accompanying it by 4 letter word abusive rants about Wenger in the last week - which I think is very poor but there you are - and to me chanting for a manager to be sacked is always dodgy at the very least and when it is someone who has given the club the service Wenger has that for me makes it even worse.
Well said.
Except that you were right first time. Many football fans are ridiculously fickle.
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Old 21-03-2016, 00:37
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what a pathetic performance from bournemouth today.
What's your bitterness towards Bournemouth about, out of interest? It's not the first time you've shown it on here recently.
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Old 21-03-2016, 01:00
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What's your bitterness towards Bournemouth about, out of interest? It's not the first time you've shown it on here recently.
Hardly being bitter. They were terrible yesterday
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Old 21-03-2016, 01:47
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I think it would be a g=big mistake for United to bring in Mourinho.
You are not alone in thinking that, José has way to many negatives for my liking.
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Old 21-03-2016, 01:52
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General question. Am I the only person who thinks Klopp has aged really badly from the day he took over until today? The guy interviewed in the last couple of weeks looks incredibly stressed and about 10 years older than the guy who bounced into Anfield a few months back or was managing Dortmund.

I know being a football manager is an incredibly stressful job but even so!
It must be all of the frankly daft and unnecessary things he does on the touchline, quite why he does so I have no idea.

He is a good enough coach, and should instead be focusing on what his team are doing right and wrong, rather than getting caught up in the moment, or trying to think of news ways to be animated.
It was funny to see when Martin O'Neil was bouncing on the touchline in the 90's, but it is just a bit tiresome seeing Klopp copy that style.

It must take its toll, trying to be that hyped for every single match, why he doesn't calm down I don't know, it would be far better for his health at the very least you would have thought.
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Old 21-03-2016, 01:59
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Hardly being bitter. They were terrible yesterday
They were away to a strong Spurs side fighting for the title. Is the result that much of a surprise?

If that was the only comment I'd picked up on I'd perhaps be more willing to believe you, but as your recent post below shows there's clearly more to it than that.

were the pundits really writing them off? i seem to remember a fair few bumming them.

shame they're doing well. i wanted them to go down
You can dislike whoever you want of course, but I was just curious what was behind it, that's all, seeing as they seem like a random club for a Leicester fan to have a particular dislike of.
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Old 21-03-2016, 02:33
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They were away to a strong Spurs side fighting for the title. Is the result that much of a surprise?

If that was the only comment I'd picked up on I'd perhaps be more willing to believe you, but as your recent post below shows there's clearly more to it than that.



You can dislike whoever you want of course, but I was just curious what was behind it, that's all, seeing as they seem like a random club for a Leicester fan to have a particular dislike of.
Nah you're reading to much into it. don't really care for them, just wanted them to go down. Same with Sunderland
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Old 21-03-2016, 02:40
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You are not alone in thinking that, José has way to many negatives for my liking.
The Mourinho rumours are just that rumours.
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Old 21-03-2016, 06:29
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This Mourinho guy must be so bad the way some have it, it makes you wonder why any club would take the risk of employing him. Perhaps it is because, as I have said before, from 2002-15 Mourinho has won 8 championships in four countries, the Champions League twice, numerous cups - only in season 2013–14 I believe has he failed to win something. In other words, with Mourinho, success is more or less guaranteed.

I don't have to like the guy to recognise he is a winner and as long as he has won the Champions League with more clubs than coaches he has poked in the eye, the world's leading clubs will be queuing to appoint him and their fans will be cheering his success. If necessary think of Mourinho as the Luis Suarez of football management and I doubt you will find many Barca fans who regret their club taking a risk on him!
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Old 21-03-2016, 06:30
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Jurgen Klopp doesn't spend his time thinking of new ways to be animated or copy Martin O'Neill. What a bizarre suggestion.
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