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Old 17-12-2016, 20:00
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No wonder Mourinho isn't keen to give Zlatan a rest - proving to be the key difference again.

We all know he has the ability but did Man U fans expect this much from somebody in their mid 30s?
He is Ibra, he has been one of the most consistently good strikers for a while now, and was coming off of, one of his best ever scoring seasons, so it wasn't as if we were getting someone way past their best.

The fact that he has a real connection with José just added to the excitement for me, and he is now showing why he is one of, if not the best out and out pure striker in the league, not many are on his level that is for sure.
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Old 17-12-2016, 20:34
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Garry Monk might be having a wee smile seeing the position of Swansea and his Leeds sides at the moment.
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Old 17-12-2016, 21:08
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Tomorrow's games should be fun, as neither City nor Arsenal can really afford to get beat, such is the pressure from the teams below them.
Oh just stop it.
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Old 17-12-2016, 21:15
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He is Ibra, he has been one of the most consistently good strikers for a while now, and was coming off of, one of his best ever scoring seasons, so it wasn't as if we were getting someone way past their best.

The fact that he has a real connection with José just added to the excitement for me, and he is now showing why he is one of, if not the best out and out pure striker in the league, not many are on his level that is for sure.
You better hope he stays fit or doesn't get suspended as no-one else at United has scored more than three league goals. And, sorry, Costa is the best out-and-out striker in the league right now (he says through gritted teeth).
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Old 17-12-2016, 21:17
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Tomorrow's games should be fun, as neither City nor Arsenal can really afford to get beat, such is the pressure from the teams below them.
Yes, Spurs can pile on the pressure if they get in good form.

There's another team, but I heard that they should just play the young players in the league, and I've also heard, a few times, that they should concentrate on the Europa League because the top four is gone.
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Old 17-12-2016, 22:39
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Oh just stop it.
Stop what??

Posting my opinions on a public forum, isn't this the place to air such thoughts??

You better hope he stays fit or doesn't get suspended as no-one else at United has scored more than three league goals. And, sorry, Costa is the best out-and-out striker in the league right now (he says through gritted teeth).
Costa is a fantastic striker, no doubt about that, and is in superb form at the moment, however Ibra's record is there for all to see, he has consistently been good at whichever club he has been at.

Yes, Spurs can pile on the pressure if they get in good form.

There's another team, but I heard that they should just play the young players in the league, and I've also heard, a few times, that they should concentrate on the Europa League because the top four is gone.
I meant Spurs, as well as ourselves (as West Brom and Everton now are just a bit too far away now) when I was talking about sides putting presure on those above.

As for my comments that you reference, I also said which you have done well to ignore, that we needed to go on a run of wins, I said about five or six in a row to put real pressure on those teams above us, and we have started to do just that, and now we are within a decent and credible points gap to the teams in the top four, which is good to see from our perspective (of course three teams have a game in hand).
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Old 17-12-2016, 22:46
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Oh, right, yeah...

Yup, the only way we are getting into the Champions League next season is via the Europa League.

Yet more points dripped on Merseyside, just not good enough from our attacking players so far this season in the league.

We really struggle to get that vital second goal, and consequently, that allows the opposition to get a chance a to score it.

So unbelievably annoying.

The top five positions are out of our reach now, we are in a battle with the rest are f the club's around us for sixth spot, which really is shoddy, considering the amount of cash spent last summer.

We need to somehow find a way of scoring multiple times in a match, as scoring a single goal is rarely good enough.
We should put all of eggs now in the Europa League, and concentrate on that, as the league is out of our hands now, we have dropped far too many points, for us to be in with even a remote chance of cracking those five positions above us.

It really is disappointing to have to write off a league season before Christmas, but that is where we find ourselves.
In a way we have quite a lot of freedom to experiment now, as we will not be troubling the top five teams, so why not blood some youngsters in the league games, whilst saving our best team for the Europa League?

Finishing between sixth and tenth doesn't really make all that much of a difference, as long as we win in Europe, plus it will give the younger players a chance to gain some much needed and valuable experience.

We have to be realistic now, the Europa League is our only chance of Champions League football next season.
Missing the "we need to go on a run of wins" thing is an easy mistake to make...
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Old 17-12-2016, 23:08
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Oh, right, yeah...







Missing the "we need to go on a run of wins" thing is an easy mistake to make...
I am not denying that I have said these (why would I??), however previous to these posts, if you do wish to be fair and balanced in these discussions, you will see that I did say we needed to go on a good run of winning games.

Or you could just stick to only posting one side of what I said, it is up to you really.
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Old 17-12-2016, 23:25
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You seem to be implying I'm picking and choosing specific quotes to make you look bad. All I'm doing is quoting you saying these things because, well, you said them. I'm not going to spend all day going through your many posts to find the odd one where you mention going on a run of wins.

After saying several times, for the past month, that you aren't getting in the top four, and that you should concentrate on the Europa League, it'd be easy to miss the one post you mention winning five or six games in a row, given that you speak in such absolute terms, and so often. I don't remember every single thing you ever say. If you say something often enough, that's what I'm going to remember, and you've said what I've quoted above quite a lot, those are just three posts made in one day.

But if you want to keep passively-aggressively accusing me, have fun. I'm bored now.
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Old 17-12-2016, 23:36
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Garry Monk might be having a wee smile seeing the position of Swansea and his Leeds sides at the moment.
Doesn't mean that Swansea were wrong to sack him at the time, they were in freefall.

I think the predicament they're currently in is as much to do with the lack of stability there's been at the club - both relating to manager and owner - post-Monk than anything else.
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Old 18-12-2016, 00:06
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Fair point and it was a year ago too..

Under the previous manager they weren't playing badly holding Chelsea and only just losing to City and Liverpool.

The point was made on MOTD that do Swansea have the "fighters" in their team to dig them out of a tricky position..
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Old 18-12-2016, 11:11
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The point was made on MOTD that do Swansea have the "fighters" in their team to dig them out of a tricky position..
They used to.
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Old 18-12-2016, 11:17
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Costa is a fantastic striker, no doubt about that, and is in superb form at the moment, however Ibra's record is there for all to see, he has consistently been good at whichever club he has been at.
That's irrelevant, as I was clearly replying to your statement...

why he is one of, if not the best out and out pure striker in the league
This is Zlatan's first season in the league and Costa has a better record, not only in goals but also five assists (to Zlatan's 0).

If the Old Trafford ground staff moved the goalposts as much as you, they'd be in Stockport...
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Old 18-12-2016, 11:47
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That's irrelevant, as I was clearly replying to your statement...



This is Zlatan's first season in the league and Costa has a better record, not only in goals but also five assists (to Zlatan's 0).

If the Old Trafford ground staff moved the goalposts as much as you, they'd be in Stockport...
Speaking of goal posts, "The Post" got voted MOTM in the Hull vs West Ham game.

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Old 18-12-2016, 13:14
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You seem to be implying I'm picking and choosing specific quotes to make you look bad. All I'm doing is quoting you saying these things because, well, you said them. I'm not going to spend all day going through your many posts to find the odd one where you mention going on a run of wins.

After saying several times, for the past month, that you aren't getting in the top four, and that you should concentrate on the Europa League, it'd be easy to miss the one post you mention winning five or six games in a row, given that you speak in such absolute terms, and so often. I don't remember every single thing you ever say. If you say something often enough, that's what I'm going to remember, and you've said what I've quoted above quite a lot, those are just three posts made in one day.

But if you want to keep passively-aggressively accusing me, have fun. I'm bored now.
All too familiar baiting technique he uses each time he's caught out, which is every day it seems. Happy to admit his mistakes, remember?
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Old 18-12-2016, 13:40
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All too familiar baiting technique he uses each time he's caught out, which is every day it seems. Happy to admit his mistakes, remember?
Yes I am very happy to admit my mistakes, and if or when I have made a mistake I will own up to it, but to only selectively pick out certain quotes if mine to have a go at me, does seem a bit unfair, or at the very least one sided, without giving the full picture.
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Old 18-12-2016, 13:44
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It seems you just ignored my post then where I denied your accusations about selectively picking certain quotes. I did not "selectively pick" your quotes. I chose three posts out of many. If they heavily outweigh the number of times you may have mentioned going on a run of wins then it's not my fault. I can't remember every little thing you've ever said and I'm not going to spend all day going through all of your many posts. You've said what I quoted a lot over the last month so it's easy to remember.

But if you're going to keep accusing me, and then ignoring my post to accuse me again, then I'm done with you. You're impossible to deal with. I'm no longer going to waste any more time responding to you anymore. For my own sake I'm just going to ignore you from now on. I've nothing to gain from interacting with you. Even if you respond to this post, I'm going to ignore you.
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Old 18-12-2016, 13:55
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QPR look very ordinary

Every chance they could end up in the relegation battle at the end of the season
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Old 18-12-2016, 14:04
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It seems you just ignored my post then where I denied your accusations about selectively picking certain quotes. I did not "selectively pick" your quotes. I chose three posts out of many. If they heavily outweigh the number of times you may have mentioned going on a run of wins then it's not my fault. I can't remember every little thing you've ever said and I'm not going to spend all day going through all of your many posts. You've said what I quoted a lot over the last month so it's easy to remember.

But if you're going to keep accusing me, and then ignoring my post to accuse me again, then I'm done with you. You're impossible to deal with. I'm no longer going to waste any more time responding to you anymore. For my own sake I'm just going to ignore you from now on. I've nothing to gain from interacting with you. Even if you respond to this post, I'm going to ignore you.
I've put him on ignore now. He's ruined this thread like his own thread. I don't want to upset the mods again and I know I will if I respond to him again.
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:12
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Terrific strike from Jay Rodriguez to seal the points for Southampton at Bournemouth.
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:16
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It seems you just ignored my post then where I denied your accusations about selectively picking certain quotes. I did not "selectively pick" your quotes. I chose three posts out of many. If they heavily outweigh the number of times you may have mentioned going on a run of wins then it's not my fault. I can't remember every little thing you've ever said and I'm not going to spend all day going through all of your many posts. You've said what I quoted a lot over the last month so it's easy to remember.

But if you're going to keep accusing me, and then ignoring my post to accuse me again, then I'm done with you. You're impossible to deal with. I'm no longer going to waste any more time responding to you anymore. For my own sake I'm just going to ignore you from now on. I've nothing to gain from interacting with you. Even if you respond to this post, I'm going to ignore you.
Hang on a minute, we are having a discussion here, hopefully friendly in nature, I have freely admitted that I did post what you have quoted, so why the fuss?

It is sad that you feel that you have to ignore me, as that doesn't do much for conversation, as the more with differing views the better I think.

If we are to get back to discussing what I said, then yes perhaps in those posts, I might have been a tad quick to dismiss our current run of victories, and the possibility of us doing so, my error there, I will hold my hands up, I have no issues in doing so.

I do not mind at all being proven to be wrong, if it means that the team are doing well, I will take that every time!
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:18
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I've put him on ignore now. He's ruined this thread like his own thread. I don't want to upset the mods again and I know I will if I respond to him again.
How have I ruined this thread? I have done exactly as everyone else has done, and just posted my own thoughts, was that the wrong thing to do, as I thought that was what forums were for?

Also how have I ruined my own teams thread (note it is not my own personal thread, it is for everyone who wishes to post on the team, fan or not)??
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:19
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Terrific strike from Jay Rodriguez to seal the points for Southampton at Bournemouth.
I like him, such a shame that he has had as much injury problems as he has had.
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:26
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"You gotta say it - it's a Christmas cracker from Jay Rodriguez"

No. No you don't gotta say it. That tired old pun expired about 2 decades ago.
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Old 18-12-2016, 15:27
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"You gotta say it - it's a Christmas cracker from Jay Rodriguez"

No. No you don't gotta say it. That tired old pun expired about 2 decades ago.
Not in the Sky Sports book of presentation, it didn't.
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