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Old 21-03-2016, 06:40
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If the reason for getting shot of Van Gaal is poor football, then Mouinho is one of the worst men possible to replace him.

Yet United fans don;t seem to get this......
That isn't the reason for wanting rid of Van Gaal. The league table is.

United fans know exactly what Mourinho is thank you.

The problem with Van Gaal is the combination of a lack of goals a lack of direction AND at the same time losing far too much.

Pragmatic and winning is effective, pragmatic and still losing is not. Yet non-United fans don't seem to get this........
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Old 21-03-2016, 06:44
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It must be all of the frankly daft and unnecessary things he does on the touchline, quite why he does so I have no idea.

He is a good enough coach, and should instead be focusing on what his team are doing right and wrong, rather than getting caught up in the moment, or trying to think of news ways to be animated.
It was funny to see when Martin O'Neil was bouncing on the touchline in the 90's, but it is just a bit tiresome seeing Klopp copy that style.

It must take its toll, trying to be that hyped for every single match, why he doesn't calm down I don't know, it would be far better for his health at the very least you would have thought.
Trust you to turn my point into a dig at Klopp.

Juergen Klopp is trying to copy Martin O'Neil?

Please just stop.
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Old 21-03-2016, 07:20
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Wrong again.
It was a foul. It was not a foul worthy of a yellow card.
Not every foul deserves a booking.
It seems that about 99% of fans, pundits and today's sporting press agree with me

The vast, vast majority say that it was a cast iron penalty, and that smalling should have got a second yellow but Oliver bottled the two big decisions in the match.

I agree, not every foul is a booking, but standing on an Achilles in front of the ref preventing a break away is a yellow card.
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Old 21-03-2016, 07:22
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That isn't the reason for wanting rid of Van Gaal. The league table is.

United fans know exactly what Mourinho is thank you.

The problem with Van Gaal is the combination of a lack of goals a lack of direction AND at the same time losing far too much.

Pragmatic and winning is effective, pragmatic and still losing is not. Yet non-United fans don't seem to get this........
I look at your current best players in rashford and martial, both very young, talented forwards with pace to burn. What they are lacking is tracking back, tackling on the halfway line and never ever getting in front of the ball or running on to passes.

But don't worry, Jose will soon solve that problem.
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Old 21-03-2016, 07:28
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I look at your current best players in rashford and martial, both very young, talented forwards with pace to burn. What they are lacking is tracking back, tackling on the halfway line and never ever getting in front of the ball or running on to passes.

But don't worry, Jose will soon solve that problem.
Very true...he will loan them out for the season, where they will bang in goals, while MU struggle, when they come back he will decide they are not good enough for his team and sell them.
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Old 21-03-2016, 07:39
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I look at your current best players in rashford and martial, both very young, talented forwards with pace to burn. What they are lacking is tracking back, tackling on the halfway line and never ever getting in front of the ball or running on to passes.

But don't worry, Jose will soon solve that problem.
Mourinho is dead to you now eh? You never liked him and always thought he was quite poor didn't you?
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Old 21-03-2016, 08:19
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Mourinho is dead to you now eh? You never liked him and always thought he was quite poor didn't you?
I absolutely never agreed with him selling some of our best players, signing Falcao or his antics off the pitch.

As any Chelsea fan will tell you, Jose will ruin rashford and martial.
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Old 21-03-2016, 08:25
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Re AFC I have seen fans burning shirts on FB accompanying it by 4 letter word abusive rants about Wenger in the last week - which I think is very poor but there you are - and to me chanting for a manager to be sacked is always dodgy at the very least and when it is someone who has given the club the service Wenger has that for me makes it even worse.
Im not sure where you saw this Alan, as you can't breathe in the Emirates let alone set fire to a shirt, so I'm assuming it was in someone's back garden! For what I hear from STH's I know, even though the tide is turning, there are still a hell of a lot of Wenger supporters around, sure a few boos ring out at the end of a home match if we do badly, but it's nothing like as bad as you or outsiders would believe. Although I do agree more are turning against him and the atmosphere will get more toxic as the time goes on.
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Old 21-03-2016, 08:27
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You are not alone in thinking that, José has way to many negatives for my liking.
Can we hold you to that Batdude if he wins you the title next season?
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Old 21-03-2016, 09:12
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It must be all of the frankly daft and unnecessary things he does on the touchline, quite why he does so I have no idea.

He is a good enough coach, and should instead be focusing on what his team are doing right and wrong, rather than getting caught up in the moment, or trying to think of news ways to be animated.
It was funny to see when Martin O'Neil was bouncing on the touchline in the 90's, but it is just a bit tiresome seeing Klopp copy that style.

It must take its toll, trying to be that hyped for every single match, why he doesn't calm down I don't know, it would be far better for his health at the very least you would have thought.
So you're a Robbie Savage fan? He tweeted that exact same thing. Like peas in a pod.
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Old 21-03-2016, 09:15
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I absolutely never agreed with him selling some of our best players, signing Falcao or his antics off the pitch.

As any Chelsea fan will tell you, Jose will ruin rashford and martial.
No they wont
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Old 21-03-2016, 09:16
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I'd have though if you must copy what other people say rather than form an original thought, you'd pick a better source of plagiarism than Robbie Savage.
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Old 21-03-2016, 09:35
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I'd have though if you must copy what other people say rather than form an original thought, you'd pick a better source of plagiarism than Robbie Savage.
I don't follow Savage but I saw it in one of the round ups of tweets of the week & it stuck in my head.
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Old 21-03-2016, 09:59
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I don't follow Savage but I saw it in one of the round ups of tweets of the week & it stuck in my head.
Yet another coincidence no doubt.
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Old 21-03-2016, 10:07
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Batdude evidently subscribes to the idea that 'talent borrows, genius steals'. Unfortunately for him, this idea fails to hold when Robbie Savage is the source material.
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Old 21-03-2016, 10:14
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So you're a Robbie Savage fan? He tweeted that exact same thing. Like peas in a pod.
Did he? I don't follow him on twitter, so if he said the same of similar, then it is kind of worrying that my views are shared by him!
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Old 21-03-2016, 10:17
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I'd have though if you must copy what other people say rather than form an original thought, you'd pick a better source of plagiarism than Robbie Savage.
Yet another coincidence no doubt.
That was entirely my own thoughts, I have not seen what Savage has said, why must I have copied and pasted my post?

If it is similar to what he has said, then there is not much that I can do about that, but again I don't like the insinuation that I copied my thoughts from someone else, I have my own brain, and I am very much capable of using it to think for myself.
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Old 21-03-2016, 10:19
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I don't think anyone accused you of copying and pasting anything directly from Savage, people publish his words so the difference would have been immediately obvious.
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Old 21-03-2016, 10:27
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I don't think anyone accused you of copying and pasting anything directly from Savage, people publish his words so the difference would have been immediately obvious.
Well either way, my post was my post, what I said within the post in question was entirely my own thoughts, not interpreted or based on anyone else's.
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Old 21-03-2016, 10:34
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That isn't the reason for wanting rid of Van Gaal. The league table is.

United fans know exactly what Mourinho is thank you.

The problem with Van Gaal is the combination of a lack of goals a lack of direction AND at the same time losing far too much.

Pragmatic and winning is effective, pragmatic and still losing is not. Yet non-United fans don't seem to get this........
I am a United fan through and through, and I certainly know what José is, and he is not someone that we should be considering to be our next manager.

There are more negatives that come with him than positives, and when appointing a manager that should not be the case.
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Old 21-03-2016, 10:57
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Well either way, my post was my post, what I said within the post in question was entirely my own thoughts, not interpreted or based on anyone else's.
It's amazing how many times this happens, that you have the same thoughts as someone who has their thoughts published a maatter of hours after they have published them.
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Old 21-03-2016, 11:02
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I am a United fan through and through, and I certainly know what José is, and he is not someone that we should be considering to be our next manager.

There are more negatives that come with him than positives, and when appointing a manager that should not be the case.
Who would you want to replace Van Gaal?
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Old 21-03-2016, 11:31
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Im not sure where you saw this Alan, as you can't breathe in the Emirates let alone set fire to a shirt, so I'm assuming it was in someone's back garden! For what I hear from STH's I know, even though the tide is turning, there are still a hell of a lot of Wenger supporters around, sure a few boos ring out at the end of a home match if we do badly, but it's nothing like as bad as you or outsiders would believe. Although I do agree more are turning against him and the atmosphere will get more toxic as the time goes on.
It was in someones back garden you're right!! - maybe the time is right for him to go but if he does it should be done with dignity and with great thanks for the fantastic years of service given to the club not with chants of Wenger out

I was not aware of such chants at Goodison and was only going on what someone said - maybe that was a mistake as I should only use evidence I have seen or heard myself..

Perhaps the biggest problem is Arsene himself shows no wish to go - but maybe I should not get too deeply involved in this as not being an AFC fan myself I cannot know what the truth is for certain.
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Old 21-03-2016, 12:58
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Who would you want to replace Van Gaal?
I guess it depends on what flavour of United fan you are - I suspect some will want a Fergie style dynasty builder, utilising youth as part of that. Others will want immediate success whatever it takes - e.g. bring in ready made talent that fit a winning style and not necessarily one that fits with tradition. It's rare that someone can satisfy both these camps.
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Old 21-03-2016, 13:04
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I guess it depends on what flavour of United fan you are - I suspect some will want a Fergie style dynasty builder, utilising youth as part of that. Others will want immediate success whatever it takes - e.g. bring in ready made talent that fit a winning style and not necessarily one that fits with tradition. It's rare that someone can satisfy both these camps.
No matter who is appointed they wont get the chance to be option 1 unless they manage option 2 first.

This is the thing that so many people (not saying you are one of them) fail to grasp.

There is no "dynasty" without short term success. It is the short term success that keeps you in the job medium term and then you still require success to remain longer. That is they way of modern football at a big club regardless of what name is on the managers door.

That is why the only sensible option is to plan for the short term and then see what happens.
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