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Old 21-03-2016, 13:06
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I guess it depends on what flavour of United fan you are - I suspect some will want a Fergie style dynasty builder, utilising youth as part of that. Others will want immediate success whatever it takes - e.g. bring in ready made talent that fit a winning style and not necessarily one that fits with tradition. It's rare that someone can satisfy both these camps.
I cannot see that happening anymore, managers just won't get the time.
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Old 21-03-2016, 14:55
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Jose is a cheque book manager, the kids will not get a chance
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Old 21-03-2016, 15:08
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Jose is a cheque book manager, the kids will not get a chance
The only ones worthy are already established in the squad so its not a problem.

None of the big clubs will be chucking in untried young players next season anyway so its hardly worth mentioning.
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Old 21-03-2016, 15:16
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The only ones worthy are already established in the squad so its not a problem.

None of the big clubs will be chucking in untried young players next season anyway so its hardly worth mentioning.
You will soon see for yourself.

Great tactics, but an awful, awful judge of players.

Sell de Bruyne, buy cuadrado
Sell Lukaku, get in Falcao on loan
Sell mata, buy pedro
sell schurle buy no one
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Old 21-03-2016, 15:28
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You will soon see for yourself.

Great tactics, but an awful, awful judge of players.

Sell de Bruyne, buy cuadrado
Sell Lukaku, get in Falcao on loan
Sell mata, buy pedro
sell schurle buy no one
Do you think that when Mourinho managed clubs he did it in a manner that only the fans of the club he was managing could see what he was doing?

I'm well aware of Jose Mourinho and his positive and negative points.

You LOVED Jose Mourinho for every minute he was at Chelsea and defended him to the hilt, please don't waste your time trolling United fans by suddenly deciding he was crap all along.
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Old 21-03-2016, 15:35
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I have never defended him regarding his atrocious transfer dealings!
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Old 21-03-2016, 15:39
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I have never defended him regarding his atrocious transfer dealings!
Oh really?

Seems odd that you would link getting rid of Lukaku in 2014 with Falco being signed on loan in 2015 rather than the purchase of Diego Costa in 2014? To pull apart but one of your incredibly one-eyed comparisons there. Any reason for that do you think? Maybe because Costa scored 20+ goals and doesn't suit the narrative?
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Old 21-03-2016, 15:43
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Sell Eidur Gudjohnsen, sign Loic Remy. Awful stuff
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Old 21-03-2016, 15:59
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It must be all of the frankly daft and unnecessary things he does on the touchline, quite why he does so I have no idea.

He is a good enough coach, and should instead be focusing on what his team are doing right and wrong, rather than getting caught up in the moment, or trying to think of news ways to be animated.
It was funny to see when Martin O'Neil was bouncing on the touchline in the 90's, but it is just a bit tiresome seeing Klopp copy that style.

It must take its toll, trying to be that hyped for every single match, why he doesn't calm down I don't know, it would be far better for his health at the very least you would have thought.
What nonsense. He doesn't think about new ways to be animated, he isn't trying to copy Martin O'Neill, he's a passionate man who loves his football. When you've been pulled up in the past you put it down to emotions getting the better of you in football to the point where it makes you say incredibly stupid things, is it possible he can also get quite emotional in football? Him being animated has absolutely NOTHING to do with his ability as a manager or the results.

It's not tiresome to see Klopp copy that style because he's not copying it, he's just enjoying his football. If you want to see a manager sit still for 90 minutes just watch van Gaal.

How does getting excited like that take its toll?
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Old 21-03-2016, 16:04
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Saying someone shouldn't be getting caught up in the moment is such a robotic suggestion. Don't be a person, be a football bot. You can't think and emote at the same time, does not compute. Meep meep morp
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Old 21-03-2016, 17:17
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I cannot see that happening anymore, managers just won't get the time.
Yep, I know - my point was that some fans still yearn for that having grown up with SAF. Spurs have got the balance right it seems - the trouble they'll have is keeping hold of the manager and the best players.
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Old 21-03-2016, 17:57
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It seems that about 99% of fans, pundits and today's sporting press agree with me

The vast, vast majority say that it was a cast iron penalty, and that smalling should have got a second yellow but Oliver bottled the two big decisions in the match.

I agree, not every foul is a booking, but standing on an Achilles in front of the ref preventing a break away is a yellow card.
99% of people agree with you....
How many have you actually asked and how many papers/internet websites have you looked at?
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Old 21-03-2016, 18:05
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No matter who is appointed they wont get the chance to be option 1 unless they manage option 2 first.

This is the thing that so many people (not saying you are one of them) fail to grasp.

There is no "dynasty" without short term success. It is the short term success that keeps you in the job medium term and then you still require success to remain longer. That is they way of modern football at a big club regardless of what name is on the managers door.

That is why the only sensible option is to plan for the short term and then see what happens.
Depends what club you manage.

Everton and Arsenal have been prepared to stick with managrs for the long-term. So did Man Utd under Sir Alex Ferguson.
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Old 21-03-2016, 18:18
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Depends what club you manage.

Everton and Arsenal have been prepared to stick with managrs for the long-term. So did Man Utd under Sir Alex Ferguson.
Everton aren't a club expected to challenge for the league and Arsenal fans have been getting increasingly frustrated with Wenger for years. When he arrived first he was initially very successful, if he hadn't been he wouldn't have lasted.

Alex Ferguson is totally irrelevant - he was appointed 30 years ago!
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Old 21-03-2016, 19:09
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Depends what club you manage.

Everton and Arsenal have been prepared to stick with managrs for the long-term. So did Man Utd under Sir Alex Ferguson.
Don't expect Martinez too be around Everton for long...the board will probably give him one more season at most, the fans are frustrated with him. If the board at Arsenal had a bit more about them, they themselves would also be getting rid of Wenger....long time managers will be a thing of the distant past once Wenger goes.
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Old 21-03-2016, 19:14
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I don't see a manager staying at a top team nowadays for more then 3 years. There are just too many challenges out there for them nowadays (much like for players as well).
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Old 21-03-2016, 20:40
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You will soon see for yourself.

Great tactics, but an awful, awful judge of players.

Sell de Bruyne, buy cuadrado
Sell Lukaku, get in Falcao on loan
Sell mata, buy pedro
sell schurle buy no one
No he isn't. You don't win what he has or last as long as he has in the game at that level if you are a bad judge of player.
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Old 21-03-2016, 21:06
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Someone with more time and inclination than me would do well to search for Codeblue's opinions on Mata after he left Chelsea.
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Old 21-03-2016, 21:13
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You will soon see for yourself.

Great tactics, but an awful, awful judge of players.

Sell de Bruyne, buy cuadrado
Sell Lukaku, get in Falcao on loan
Sell mata, buy pedro
sell schurle buy no one
Actually it went like this:

Sell Lukaku, buy Costa
Sell de Bruyne & Mata, buy Matic & Fabregas

All decent business considering the three that he brought in made a major contribution to us winning the league and cup last season.

Then it was:

Sell Schurrle, buy Cuadrado

That didn't work out, but at the end of the day Schurrle himself wanted to leave, as he couldn't break into the team as a regular, as was the case with the others that left. I liked Schurrle as a squad player, but to be fair he wasn't the most consistent of players.
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Old 21-03-2016, 21:16
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It's amazing how many times this happens, that you have the same thoughts as someone who has their thoughts published a maatter of hours after they have published them.
Would that mean if a particular point of view has been posted then no one else is allowed to post a similar opinion?

Basically every thread over after a handful of posts.
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Old 21-03-2016, 21:20
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It seems that about 99% of fans, pundits and today's sporting press agree with me

The vast, vast majority say that it was a cast iron penalty, and that smalling should have got a second yellow but Oliver bottled the two big decisions in the match.

I agree, not every foul is a booking, but standing on an Achilles in front of the ref preventing a break away is a yellow card.
99% of people agree with you....
How many have you actually asked and how many papers/internet websites have you looked at?
I think it was a challenge that could have been given. In this instance it wasn't. The ref obviously though it was a shoulder charge and not bad enough to warrant a foul or a card for diving.

I also think the Smalling foul was just a foul. I think it would have been harsh.


As for the Chelsea penalty. I thought it was harsh anyway, but again was 50/50. I think some refs would have just dismissed that one.
and it was outside the box. Linesman more likely to blame for that though.
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Old 21-03-2016, 21:23
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What happened to the act of giving the attacker the advantage in offside decisions.

Latley I've noticed several being flagged when they were level. I don't think that Kane's forehead being slightly ahead should deem him to be offside.
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Old 21-03-2016, 21:23
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Would that mean if a particular point of view has been posted then no one else is allowed to post a similar opinion?

Basically every thread over after a handful of posts.
Thats not what I'm saying.

How many other opinions and posts on here match almost word for word the idea or points of view expressed by columnists or journalists who have expressed them either online, in print or via social media yet make no reference to them in the actual post and then claim its a coincidence?

Ive neve seen that elsewhere. Ive often seen people say "i agreed with X who said......" or similar but not passing the opinion off as your own and then pretend its just luck!
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Old 21-03-2016, 21:28
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Actually it went like this:

Sell Lukaku, buy Costa
Sell de Bruyne & Mata, buy Matic & Fabregas

All decent business considering the three that he brought in made a major contribution to us winning the league and cup last season.

Then it was:

Sell Schurrle, buy Cuadrado

That didn't work out, but at the end of the day Schurrle himself wanted to leave, as he couldn't break into the team as a regular, as was the case with the others that left. I liked Schurrle as a squad player, but to be fair he wasn't the most consistent of players.
Get the feeling it's more to do with his next job then his transfer dealings
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Old 21-03-2016, 21:33
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Get the feeling it's more to do with his next job then his transfer dealings
Absolutely.

Mourinho wasn't getting blamed much for anything earlier this season. Now he is at fault for everything. Purely coincidentally Codeblue changed her mind around the time that it became evident that the talk of him going to Manchester United might have more than a ring of truth to it.

If he doesn't go there then he'll be back to being wonderful again.
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