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Old 08-04-2016, 10:35
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Good that people are getting behind english clubs in europe now (based solely on this forum) for whatever reason as in the last few seasons club fans seem to have kept their domestic loyalties up when to comes to european competitions and hoping that their domestic rivals get knocked out.

NB. people saying that certain european clubs in top form and with a more impressive recent record in europe than their english opponents and then using that to form their prediction is fair isnt it?
I'll be f***ed if I ever shout for a Dortmund or PSG over any British team. The PL teams are the ones I follow and watch every Saturday, I'm far more immersed in English culture than German. I've far more of a "connection" to a PL side

I really miss the days of all English semis in the CL. I've no doubt it'll come around again very soon though. This forum will be some sh1tstorm one can imagine
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Old 08-04-2016, 10:39
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I'll be f***ed if I ever shout for a Dortmund or PSG over any British team. The PL teams are the ones I follow and watch every Saturday, I'm far more immersed in English culture than German. I've far more of a "connection" to a PL side

I really miss the days of all English semis in the CL. I've no doubt it'll come around again very soon though. This forum will be some sh1tstorm one can imagine
Not gonna lie, as an Arsenal fan there is absolutely no way I would ever cheer on Spurs. I don't think my brain could even figure out how to do that. But any other British club in Europe I'm game for.
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Old 08-04-2016, 10:45
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I think it's a "hipster" thing in a way a lot of the time, a sort of "look at me I watch football outside of the PL too". By claiming Dortmund and PSG are the best thing since sliced bread because they exist outside of the PL realm, and not many over here would watch them week in week out, so it looks cooler to talk them up.

From a discussion on here a few weeks back some posters seemed to be pretty much salivating at the thought of England losing the 4th CL spot. I dunno I guess it comes across as a bit "edgy" and "different" to dismiss the PL given it's the norm in Britain and Ireland to automatically follow the PL and a PL team
Yeah, some could be going for the fashionable thing, which is more likely the case in here, but others just find it hard to put club rivalries and loyalty to the side, which is understandable I think.

Its a shame though when you are anti english clubs when it comes to results in europe. But its hard to put long time rivalry and views to the side.

It seems many of the fans of London clubs on here have genuine dislike and want their main rivals to lose at all times whereas the fans of the big north west teams on here dont mind their rivals doing well as long as its not against their own team which surprises me form what i've experienced.

I have to admit, before I became a football club agnostic, I wanted the teams who I really didnt like, to lose every game, european or not! It was nothing to do with being fashionable and wanting the european teams to win though.
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Old 08-04-2016, 10:47
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Not gonna lie, as an Arsenal fan there is absolutely no way I would ever cheer on Spurs. I don't think my brain could even figure out how to do that. But any other British club in Europe I'm game for.
Exactly!
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Old 08-04-2016, 11:00
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Not gonna lie, as an Arsenal fan there is absolutely no way I would ever cheer on Spurs. I don't think my brain could even figure out how to do that. But any other British club in Europe I'm game for.
Oh yea, apart from genuine footballing rivalries I mean! But an Arsenal/Spurs fan shouting against Liverpool or City for me I couldn't really understand but each to their own I guess
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Old 08-04-2016, 11:02
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I want premier league teams to do well because I have far more invested emotionally in the outcome of matches involving premier league teams than when they are not playing. Same with England in international competitions. I can and do manufacture attachments to other teams for the duration of a match or competition, but I know it is artificial; a bit like wanting Leicester to win the premier league, when in reality I couldn't care less.
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Old 08-04-2016, 11:37
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I'll be f***ed if I ever shout for a Dortmund or PSG over any British team. The PL teams are the ones I follow and watch every Saturday, I'm far more immersed in English culture than German. I've far more of a "connection" to a PL side

I really miss the days of all English semis in the CL. I've no doubt it'll come around again very soon though. This forum will be some sh1tstorm one can imagine
Them days are long over over, British teams what are they in the PL?

Personally I support one club in the PL, if they are not in Europe no way am I supporting any other PL team...not a chance.
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Old 08-04-2016, 12:12
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Them days are long over over, British teams what are they in the PL?
what are you on about?

British teams i.e. English teams, Scotland teams- yes Celtic have played in the CL too you know!
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Old 08-04-2016, 12:14
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I'm just not interested in competitions my team aren't in.
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Old 08-04-2016, 12:20
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what are you on about?

British teams i.e. English teams, Scotland teams- yes Celtic have played in the CL too you know!
As most of them are foreign owned, very little about them these days is actually British.
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Old 08-04-2016, 12:38
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As most of them are foreign owned, very little about them these days is actually British.
Foreign owned, foreign players, huge numbers of international fans.

Its hardly British at all
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Old 08-04-2016, 12:53
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Let's be honest, the more antagonistic your rivalry with other English clubs is, there's a larger part of you that wants them to fail (as they'll undoubtedly revel in your failures). However, we all should care as collective failure threatens our co-efficient and our coveted number of CL qualification places. I will always acknowledge a decent performance even if I don't particularly care for a team, though. And if they do win the thing, it's at least good for other clubs in the long run which compensates for the crowing etc.
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Old 08-04-2016, 13:08
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Foreign owned, foreign players, huge numbers of international fans.

Its hardly British at all
They're still British clubs.
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Old 08-04-2016, 13:15
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Foreign owned, foreign players, huge numbers of international fans.

Its hardly British at all
They play in Britain, in the towns or cities in which they were founded and 95%+ of fans who go and support them every week are British. They represent England, Scotland etc when playing against European based teams and their results reflect the standing of English football etc
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Old 08-04-2016, 14:30
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Foreign owned, foreign players, huge numbers of international fans.

Its hardly British at all

They play in Britain, in the towns or cities in which they were founded and 95%+ of fans who go and support them every week are British. They represent England, Scotland etc when playing against European based teams and their results reflect the standing of English football etc
Nova hits the nail on the head

Of course they're British teams. The top 2 sides in England incidentally are riddled with English players in the team and I'd wager both have relatively f**k all international fans

Sure football is on a global scale but to say the PL sides are "hardly British at all" is nonsense
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Old 08-04-2016, 15:59
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I sometimes find people don't like the English teams or players because they are "overpaid" and "pampered"

Almost as if they think the stars from abroad earn peanuts or don't get the same 5 star treatment from their clubs/countries compared to the likes of Rooney and our other top players.

You only have to read the reaction when England go out of a major tournament to see how much dislike there is for footballers in this country.

Only have to see the comments from this article today in the Mail to note that.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti....html#comments

Of course some don't help themselves at times and probably act with arrogance but I don't think most as are as bad as they get made out to be..
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Old 08-04-2016, 17:06
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Nova hits the nail on the head

Of course they're British teams. The top 2 sides in England incidentally are riddled with English players in the team and I'd wager both have relatively f**k all international fans

Sure football is on a global scale but to say the PL sides are "hardly British at all" is nonsense
Regardless, if they are not my team...not a chance I am supporting them. How anyone can give support to an opposing team in the same league is beyond me.
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Old 08-04-2016, 17:55
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Henderson out for the season - is that his Euro dreams over bearing in mind the competition in midfield?
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Old 08-04-2016, 18:07
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Henderson out for the season - is that his Euro dreams over bearing in mind the competition in midfield?
Sad for someone to miss out on a big competition through injury but good news for whoever takes his place- James Milner maybe ?
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Old 08-04-2016, 18:28
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Drinkwater a cert to make the cut now.
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Old 08-04-2016, 18:48
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It'll be Drinkwater. As I said in the Liverpool thread it'll also mean if Wilshere does get fit in time it'll increase his chances of going. Maybe Mark Noble if he isn't. I'd rather Wilshere though.
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Old 08-04-2016, 19:48
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When Milner was made captain for the friendly against the Netherlands, it occurred to me this was in effect a thank you for services rendered after Hodgson had told him he would be some way back in the queue for a place at the Euros if he made the squad. I have absolutely no evidence for this, but obviously plenty of time on my hands
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Old 08-04-2016, 20:16
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Old 08-04-2016, 20:53
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It'll be Drinkwater. As I said in the Liverpool thread it'll also mean if Wilshere does get fit in time it'll increase his chances of going. Maybe Mark Noble if he isn't. I'd rather Wilshere though.
Wilshire should have to earn his place inches squad, nevermind the team, and so far he should be nowhere near either.
A spot should not be left to him just because he has played one or two games before the end of the season.
It would be farcical if he were to be in the squad over say a Noble who has had a very good season with West Ham, or Carrick, or Drinkwater a possible/most likely Premier League champion, they should all be ahead of Whilshire in any perceived pecking order.
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Old 08-04-2016, 21:00
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Wilshire should have to earn his place inches squad, nevermind the team, and so far he should be nowhere near either.
A spot should not be left to him just because he has played one or two games before the end of the season.
It would be farcical if he were to be in the squad over say a Noble who has had a very good season with West Ham, or Carrick, or Drinkwater a possible/most likely Premier League champion, they should all be ahead of Whilshire in any perceived pecking order.
Does everyone wanting Wilshere have to be subjected to these kinds of posts from you? People have been over this many times.

If Wilshere is fit I want him to go because I know his qualities, as does Roy Hodgson. I already said Drinkwater will probably go, and will start ahead of him, but that doesn't mean Wilshere can't be a member of the squad in case he is needed.

He won't be the first player to have gone after returning from injury, or a long injury, and a lot of the time it's key players rather than a squad player who might never even get a game. There are 23 players who can go, we won't be worse off by having him in there, and at this stage in Carrick's career I'd rather have a fit Wilshere, regardless of how much time he's played this season.

Wilshire should have to earn his place inches squad,
What's an "inches squad"?
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