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Old 11-04-2016, 13:05
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I support Liverpool and want Leicester to win the league. I'm not bitter or angst-ridden. It's great for English football that a club are seven points clear in April having spent a fraction of most of the title favourites at the start of this season. It'll change the mindsets of most of the non-fashionable PL clubs (including the newly promoted teams) in that they'll dare to dream without doing a Portsmouth. 4th is the new 40 points!

The best teams may not be as good in European terms as they once were but this is down to more and more clubs having the financial clout to buy the best players, both here and abroad. It's hard to build a guaranteed title winning side by simply throwing money at it - too many teams are taking points off each other.

It'll remain this way until we can entice the stellar players from Spain, PSG and Bayern/Dortmund (not to mention the increasing list of decent players chasing money in China).

Having a team ethic, good scouting, a healthy youth system and an astute, forward thinking manager has never been so important as these things will make the difference if no single team is buying up all the talent.

The Leicester team has grown organically during a period where there's been a perfect storm - lots of managerial turnoil and uncertainty at the big clubs, momentum from last season and a very short injury list - the two teams with the most consistent lineups coupled with a real team work ethic are first and second in the league. Both are getting the bulk of their points by beating the poorer quality clubs and having forwards who can hit 20+ goals in a season.

I don't think you can win the league any more by simply buying eleven top players - they often lack hunger, ambition or motivation as they're often earning top dollar. Opposition are cottoning onto the facr that working harder will often succeed if you have enough quality in key positions.

Where are all these mythical Fox hunters? The vast majority are, when getting over the limitations of their own teams, totally loving the Leicester story.
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Old 11-04-2016, 13:24
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Sour grapes because Chelsea are not being talked about?

I don't know what you've been paying attention to for the last 18 months, but United fans want their team to play attractive football. We aren't really looking at other teams at the moment.

Good luck to Leicester, truly. There has never been a success story like it, on a global stage, in recent history.
I don't care they are not being talked about come on only on Scotland is it just about the old firm other clubs hardly get any coverage that's changing a bit.

I'm all for an open and fair media why should we not have a section for West Brom
Fans? Liverpool?

You won't get a response from me to trick me up I genuinely like many other posters like the Leiciester story no reason to be bitter or yourself as the team you support will come again and have a good season. This should be the wake up call the big clubs need as I keep saying.
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Old 11-04-2016, 13:58
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Can't say I've seen many people being bitter towards Leicester, to the extent that neutrals should become defensive over them. Some people have argued that it hasn't been a great season or it's not great for English football for whatever reasons they have given but that's not being bitter or anything. It's not criticising Leicester's campaign. And I don't think people can be criticised for predicting them to slip up throughout various points in the season, or for thinking they'll be in a relegation battle at the start of the season. That's not "sour grapes" or being bitter because they aren't one of the usual big clubs it's looking at a team who escaped relegation, in an amazing way, and thinking they might be in for another relegation battle, and when they started strong people will have just used their experience of the Premier League, knowing we get those teams who have a great season or start strong then end up fading away.

There are only two who have shown any real anti-Leicester attitudes and that's a Spurs fan who has admitted to having an irrational dislike of Leicester and someone who claims to be a Leicester fan who's probably tearing up his ticket to the Leicester relegation party as we speak.
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Old 11-04-2016, 14:01
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There was also a man United fan who hated them who is no longer here... In that guise anyway
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Old 11-04-2016, 14:12
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Can't say I've seen many people being bitter towards Leicester, to the extent that neutrals should become defensive over them. Some people have argued that it hasn't been a great season or it's not great for English football for whatever reasons they have given but that's not being bitter or anything. It's not criticising Leicester's campaign. And I don't think people can be criticised for predicting them to slip up throughout various points in the season, or for thinking they'll be in a relegation battle at the start of the season. That's not "sour grapes" or being bitter because they aren't one of the usual big clubs it's looking at a team who escaped relegation, in an amazing way, and thinking they might be in for another relegation battle, and when they started strong people will have just used their experience of the Premier League, knowing we get those teams who have a great season or start strong then end up fading away.

There are only two who have shown any real anti-Leicester attitudes and that's a Spurs fan who has admitted to having an irrational dislike of Leicester and someone who claims to be a Leicester fan who's probably tearing up his ticket to the Leicester relegation party as we speak.
Yes but Chelsea won the title last year easy it wasn't exciting it was easy so I would say last season was worse.

The top clubs have been poor but this is due to managerial uncertainty at most of them and some made changes. I don't see how it makes it a bad season Liverpool have been decent to watch they may not be playing for much in the Leauge but they are a good side.

I don't see how

Chelsea
Manchester City
Manchester United
Arsenal

Every single year is fun or Liverpool in there to mix it up. For over a decade same order minus Man Cities money.

Teams flirting with top 4 fall away Newcastle, Southhamtpton. New order has changed its been coming so get use to it.

If Watford finish 4th next season the moans will come from plastic fans who support big clubs won't it? It's nothing to do with being supportive of Leiciester its old form mentality where Man U fans are too use to beating these teams 6-0.

That was 2007, welcome to 2016 folks all those clubs have cash, Champonship clubs have cash Blackburn will enjoying parachute payments. Next season the pot of gold gets bigger whoever comes up if they go back down is safe for years financially. In Scotland we can't compete with Leauge one transfer fees or wages now fact.

Every club in the PL almost has elite status big coverage loads of tv cash millions on sponsors. This means training facilities get better, youth academy's are built so like I say for grass roots footbal this is great. And YES they will be competitive on the park it will be the odd 1-0 maybe Watford can beat Man City !

For plastic fans you may wish to mix and match your teams on Fifa as Leiciester must have been programmed 5 star ***** this season
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Old 11-04-2016, 14:16
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£80 million each team per year. Probably more if your in the Champions League. Now Leiciester don't need a new stadium do they? I bet they can go on a free splash the cash on the squad others will be the same whilst as I say teams like Bournemouth can spend it on updates to there facilities and stadium to let them stand a good chance to stick around for a few seasons yet!

Win win for all clubs.
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Old 11-04-2016, 14:17
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Linkin... You seemed to have worked yourself up into a stupor over nothing... I agree with u abiut it being a great season and Leicester deserving every bit of praise and that the odd naysayer should be shot down and there may be some bitter fans, but I'm not sure where you're coming from with the rest of it...

Most fans and rival managers want them to win.
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Old 11-04-2016, 14:19
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I'm sure there will be fans from the bigger clubs for whatever reason that will be against Leicester for whatever reason, and some fans who might be bitter but that's football I suppose. But some seem to be getting defensive as if the big clubs are having their day ruined by little Leicester winning the title when I haven't seen that much of it. From my perspective Liverpool fans can't be bitter for such reasons because we aren't title challengers anyway so Leicester or no Leicester their title challenge has no real effect on our season.

They're doing what we failed to do only a couple seasons ago, and then we had people rooting against us, and not just Man United fans, but because of people being sick of the media love-in and everyone going on about the story and putting so much focus on Steven Gerrard. Even now people reference the Gerrard slip and sometimes even sing about it when their team isn't even playing against Liverpool. I doubt Leicester would get quite the same treatment if they somehow slipped up, but if they did it'd probably be aimed at Vardy.
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Old 11-04-2016, 14:19
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And people know I will bring this thread up if need be next year when teams like West Ham and Watford beat Arsenal easy..they have this season beaten many large teams. Been happening a few seasons now.

Loved Leiciesters "mind the gap" poster for all London clubs. Even the Premier Leauge won't enjoy it not being a London club winning lol.
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Old 11-04-2016, 14:23
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I'm sure there will be fans from the bigger clubs for whatever reason that will be against Leicester for whatever reason, and some fans who might be bitter but that's football I suppose. But some seem to be getting defensive as if the big clubs are having their day ruined by little Leicester winning the title when I haven't seen that much of it. From my perspective Liverpool fans can't be bitter for such reasons because we aren't title challengers anyway so Leicester or no Leicester their title challenge has no real effect on our season.

They're doing what we failed to do only a couple seasons ago, and then we had people rooting against us, and not just Man United fans, but because of people being sick of the media love-in and everyone going on about the story and putting so much focus on Steven Gerrard. Even now people reference the Gerrard slip and sometimes even sing about it when their team isn't even playing against Liverpool. I doubt Leicester would get quite the same treatment if they somehow slipped up, but if they did it'd probably be aimed at Vardy.
Yes Liverpool were very unlucky it was another City title and that's is becoming common these days and with Pep he will win at some point he's a winner and he will be backed with money. Sometimes money does work with the right manager.

Klopp is a good manager liked his change of formation and how he said the team never played it before. I'm excited to see what players he brings in from a netural point of view I believe they will be quite competitive next year. New extension opening too so exciting times for those fans aswell.

I'm glad I'm not a bitter fan I can talk about how every clubs a season has gone. Best of luck for the Europa Leauge too.

(Oh and Suarez had a great season that year)
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Old 11-04-2016, 15:08
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Not bitter, just deluded and argumentative.
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Old 11-04-2016, 15:11
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For someone who's not bitter, you're sure coming across as it. Why I've no idea as you are arguing against nobody about something you appear to have invented.
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Old 11-04-2016, 15:28
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On this day april 11 2015.

Match number 2 of leicesters great escape.

WBA 2
LEI C 3

A win that moved the foxes onto 25 points. Since april 4th 2015 leicester city have accumulated 94 PL points and have secured a top four spot
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Old 11-04-2016, 15:44
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On this day april 11 2015.

Match number 2 of leicesters great escape.

WBA 2
LEI C 3

A win that moved the foxes onto 25 points. Since april 4th 2015 leicester city have accumulated 94 PL points and have secured a top four spot
Couple of nice little tables published by the BBC in March of this year "Leicester City: Premier League 'table' over past 38 games". For the top ten, Leicester clearly on top (11 points clear of City), with Liverpool 10th (didn't see that one coming). An equivalent table for the bottom 7 shows Villa, Newcastle and Sunderland in the basement, so no surprises there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35739231
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Old 11-04-2016, 16:00
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There was also a man United fan who hated them who is no longer here... In that guise anyway
I believe he is now wearing a muff

On this day april 11 2015.

Match number 2 of leicesters great escape.

WBA 2
LEI C 3

A win that moved the foxes onto 25 points. Since april 4th 2015 leicester city have accumulated 94 PL points and have secured a top four spot
Please clear this up for me: are you actually a Leciester fan or not?
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Old 11-04-2016, 16:23
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Please clear this up for me: are you actually a Leciester fan or not?
One word answer to your question is yes
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Old 11-04-2016, 16:30
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One word answer to your question is yes
Even that response could lead to the need for some clarification
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Old 11-04-2016, 16:41
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An amusing current trend/meme is answering "yes" to a multiple question.

"Is it red or blue?"
"Yes"
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Old 11-04-2016, 16:47
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Leicester fan Yes.
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Old 11-04-2016, 17:50
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This season sort of reminds me of when Midge Ure rose from the usual suspects, finally ousting John Lennon from the top spot having painstakingly crafted a masterpiece in Vienna - only for an unknown little guy to inexplicably snatch the Number 1 spot with Shaddap You Face!

You've got to feel a little sorry for Spurs (if they don't overhaul Leicester) given all the teams they've leap-frogged this season. That home defeat against the Foxes may be very critical indeed.

If your team was a singer or group, who would it be? As a Liverpool fan, I'm going for David Bowie - supreme in the 70s and 80s but very hit and miss thereafter - here's hoping for a resurrection!
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Old 11-04-2016, 18:00
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Linkinpark seems to be getting awfully worked up trying to defend a position that nobody has actually argued against.
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Old 11-04-2016, 18:31
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But in the end it doesn't even matter, he just wants somewhere he belongs.

I'm here all week (sorry folks)
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Old 11-04-2016, 18:56
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Linkinpark seems to be getting awfully worked up trying to defend a position that nobody has actually argued against.
Eh because it's obvious without people saying it they are fans of elite clubs. No doubt it's put other genuine people off this thread so I won't bother arguing with plastic fans. Next thread.
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Old 11-04-2016, 18:58
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Eh because it's obvious without people saying it they are fans of elite clubs. No doubt it's put other genuine people off this thread so I won't bother arguing with plastic fans. Next thread.
But who are "they"? I've not seen this army of naysayers you keep referring to. I've not seen all these Man United fans wanting Leicester to fail or crapping all over their upcoming achievement.
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Old 11-04-2016, 19:10
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Eh because it's obvious without people saying it they are fans of elite clubs. No doubt it's put other genuine people off this thread so I won't bother arguing with plastic fans. Next thread.
Have you taken a blow to the head?
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