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Old 11-03-2016, 11:34
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I've had a season ticket for several years and people are encouraged to speak up against certain kinds of filth. People chanting in support of Marlon King's conviction for instance were shouted down without anyone being punched, I'd be quite surprised if the corporate Premier League still has much of a snarling animalistic edge to it in that regard.
Leeds fans were singing pro-Savile songs and nobody shouted it down. If a Marlon King song caught on you aren't going to stop it. The only way the PL can stop offensive chants is filling the grounds with £60 quid tickets and day trippers, but it can't much as it would like to turn it into the rugby or cricket.
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Old 11-03-2016, 11:35
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Says the poster actually making stuff up on the Internet..
Unless you were going to these games telling people to stop singing offensive songs then your point is totally redundant.
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Old 11-03-2016, 11:42
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If a Marlon King song caught on you aren't going to stop it.
That's exactly what happened, people started drowning it out very quickly.

The fact that Cov fans aren't exactly a huge swarm of humanity would have probably played a part, but a lot of people happy to chant some questionable stuff at other times weren't allowing it to go on so it's not exactly purely black and white between angry violent people making rape jokes and a prawn sandwich brigade sitting on their hands applauding the opposition for a jolly good show.
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Old 11-03-2016, 11:43
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Steve McClaren has been sacked as manager of Newcastle Utd.

Usually it's Sunderland changing their manager for the last few games and scrambling safety as a result but not on this occasion.

Cue the arrival of Mr Benitez at St James's?
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Old 11-03-2016, 12:08
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The people going on away days to Liverpool are mostly your hardcore, not the docile day trippers waiting to be entertained while eating a prawn sandwich. They are creating more of an atmosphere than people in their living room tutting.
Yeah, if only the bloody plastics would join in the singing, Old Trafford would be bouncing to the tune of I Wish It Could Be Hillsborough Every Day. It would be an embarrassment for the sport if they didn't.
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Old 11-03-2016, 12:40
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Steve McClaren has been sacked as manager of Newcastle Utd.

Usually it's Sunderland changing their manager for the last few games and scrambling safety as a result but not on this occasion.

Cue the arrival of Mr Benitez at St James's?
Should be an interesting game with Leicester coming up next.
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Old 11-03-2016, 13:06
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I think Benitez can do well if the players start to play for him.

Will organise them well which would be a start.
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Old 11-03-2016, 13:26
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I think Benitez can do well if the players start to play for him.

Will organise them well which would be a start.
Has Benitez indicated he is interested in the job?

Answering my own ill-researched question, I see according to Sky he has expressed such an interest http://www.skysports.com/football/ne...11-sky-sources
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Old 11-03-2016, 13:28
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Seems that way, going by this post in the McClaren thread:

He is up in the North East (at the moment) for negotiations according to Lee Ryder:

https://twitter.com/lee_ryder/status/708250937983438848
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Rafa Benitez in the North-East as negotiations begin to take over as #nufc boss
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Old 11-03-2016, 13:29
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That's exactly what happened, people started drowning it out very quickly.

The fact that Cov fans aren't exactly a huge swarm of humanity would have probably played a part, but a lot of people happy to chant some questionable stuff at other times weren't allowing it to go on so it's not exactly purely black and white between angry violent people making rape jokes and a prawn sandwich brigade sitting on their hands applauding the opposition for a jolly good show.
When thousands start singing the offensive songs there isn't much to do but ride it out or don't sing if you don't like it. Trying to shout them down just ends up in punch ups or asking fans to grass on each other.
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Old 11-03-2016, 13:41
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I'm just telling you what happened without punchups or prison snitches on these occasions. This was in person, rather than on the internet.
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Old 11-03-2016, 13:55
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Armchair fans like you contribute nothing to the atmosphere. Go watch cricket or rugby if you want to sit next to each other and have a spiffing good time.
You appear to have drawn up a woefully inaccurate picture of me. Nice work. Then again, my picturing you as a scrawny buck-toothed loner bent over a keyboard with saliva dribbling down his chin is probably wholly inaccurate too...

You seem to tolerate imbecilic and vile behaviour - that's your choice. However, most right-minded people actually want it to stop. If we can't rely on the tribal types to self-police then it will soon be the norm that the clubs can clearly identify these cretins and work together to ban them from grounds.

You are making a massive fool of yourself here. A lone voice largely. If you are feebly trying to impress anyone with your caveman chest-thumping, it clearly isn't working.

Thanks for giving us all a big chuckle, though. I nearly wet my armchair...

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Old 11-03-2016, 14:01
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When thousands start singing the offensive songs there isn't much to do but ride it out or don't sing if you don't like it. Trying to shout them down just ends up in punch ups or asking fans to grass on each other.
Grass on each other?

I would think any reasonably minded person would report someone next to them spouting abuse. If I got on a bus and someone is spouting racist abuse I would have no issue reporting them just as I would have no problem doing so at a sporting event. Football fans get no free pass.
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Old 11-03-2016, 14:03
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You appear to have drawn up a woefully inaccurate picture of me. Nice work. Then again, my picturing you as a scrawny buck-toothed loner bent over a keyboard with saliva dribbling down his chin is probably wholly inaccurate too...

You seem to tolerate imbecilic and vile behaviour - that's your choice. However, most right-minded people actually want it to stop. If we can't rely on the tribal types to self-police then it will soon be the norm that the clubs can clearly identify these cretins and work together to ban them from grounds.

You are making a massive fool of yourself here. A lone voice largely. If you are feebly trying to impress anyone with your caveman chest-thumping, it clearly isn't working.

Thanks for giving us all a big chuckle, though. I nearly wet my armchair...

Good luck in that stopping offensive chants at football. About as much chance of that happening as Man Utd winning the league. It was here before you and will be here long after you're gone. They hate each other and always will, if you don't like it turn the TV down.
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Old 11-03-2016, 14:06
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Grass on each other?

I would think any reasonably minded person would report someone next to them spouting abuse. If I got on a bus and someone is spouting racist abuse I would have no issue reporting them just as I would have no problem doing so at a sporting event. Football fans get no free pass.
You do that next time you're at a game.
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Old 11-03-2016, 14:09
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Antisocial behaviour is reported quite often at games, this isn't some pioneering experiment where the first person to attempt it will be shivved.
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Old 11-03-2016, 14:11
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You do that next time you're at a game.
Maybe you haven't noticed outside that bubble you live in most grounds wont have fans singing the bile you seem to admire.

Antisocial behaviour is reported quite often at games, this isn't some pioneering experiment where the first person to attempt it will be shivved.
Exactly. Football clubs encourage having the morons reported so they can keep them out.
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Old 11-03-2016, 14:52
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Antisocial behaviour is reported quite often at games, this isn't some pioneering experiment where the first person to attempt it will be shivved.
Yes I often read about 10,000 fans arrested at a game come to think of it.
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Old 11-03-2016, 14:54
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Maybe you haven't noticed outside that bubble you live in most grounds wont have fans singing the bile you seem to admire.



Exactly. Football clubs encourage having the morons reported so they can keep them out.
If you don't even go to games then all you need to do is turn your TV down and problem solved. If you run off to the stewards every time you hear something you don't like at a game you'll not see much of it.
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Old 11-03-2016, 15:13
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Yes I often read about 10,000 fans arrested at a game come to think of it.
For someone who doesn't like internet bullshit, if you could point to where I've said that happens I'd be much obliged.
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Old 11-03-2016, 15:15
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His point is, WHEN (not if) liverpool fans sing about Munich at their next meeting, you will not see 10,000 away fans arrested and put into the cells.

You will see, well, zero.
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Old 11-03-2016, 15:16
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You also won't see flying unicorns, so it's lucky nobody claimed you would.
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Old 11-03-2016, 15:17
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His point is, WHEN (not if) liverpool fans sing about Munich at their next meeting, you will not see 10,000 away fans arrested and put into the cells.

You will see, well, zero.
You will not see 10000 singing about Munich
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Old 11-03-2016, 15:40
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You will not see 10000 singing about Munich
the point is, there will be far too many to arrest.

And if you start, why draw the line at Hillsborough/ heysel / Munich.

There are other chants that are equally disgusting, they would have to be dealt with in the same way.
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Old 11-03-2016, 15:48
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the point is, there will be far too many to arrest.

And if you start, why draw the line at Hillsborough/ heysel / Munich.

There are other chants that are equally disgusting, they would have to be dealt with in the same way.
Did anyone say people should be arrested? Only you and your best buddy seemed to mention arrests.

Anyone who spouts abuse which is against the Law deserved arresting. The other stuff which is just distasteful and crude should be policed by the fans themselves.
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