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Old 20-05-2016, 18:15
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Precisely why I suggested 4-2-3-1. Rooney (reluctantly) as one of the two alongside a defensive midfielder and Mata in the middle of the three flanked by Martial and Lingard (or ideally an upgrade of him). Rashford up front as you need pace up there because Rooney slowed things down to much and opponents just filed back and snuffed attacks out easily earlier in the season. Personally I think accommodating Rooney now causes more issues than it solves.
Rooney as captain, will be played wherever we can fit him in, and to be fair to him, he has done quite well in this more deeper role.
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Old 20-05-2016, 18:42
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Memphis has thrown a proper strop and not travelled with United. This will get messy.


Oh dear
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Old 20-05-2016, 18:48
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Not arsed about Memphis, Borthwick-Jackson should be there though, in fact I'd be starting him ahead of the Argentinian bomb scare.
Yep, I agree.
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Old 20-05-2016, 19:22
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Precisely why I suggested 4-2-3-1. Rooney (reluctantly) as one of the two alongside a defensive midfielder and Mata in the middle of the three flanked by Martial and Lingard (or ideally an upgrade of him). Rashford up front as you need pace up there because Rooney slowed things down to much and opponents just filed back and snuffed attacks out easily earlier in the season. Personally I think accommodating Rooney now causes more issues than it solves.
I can't see that working. It's too risky to have an attack-minded Rooney as a part of the defensive two.

If he's going to play in midfield, it needs to be as part of a three.
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Old 20-05-2016, 19:52
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https://youtu.be/6gjrLrZi5iE bloody hell
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Old 20-05-2016, 20:21
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Nice article by Berbatov http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...aldo-team.html
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Old 20-05-2016, 20:33
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Memphis has thrown a proper strop and not travelled with United. This will get messy.


Oh dear
Well can you blame him?

He hasn't exactly been used well has he?
It probably all got to him.

Hopefully this is not the end, and a new manager can give him a new clean slate.
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Old 20-05-2016, 21:09
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I can't see that working. It's too risky to have an attack-minded Rooney as a part of the defensive two.

If he's going to play in midfield, it needs to be as part of a three.
I don't see it working either hence why I said reluctantly and stipulated he be paired with a defensive midfielder. I think it's a waste (and a risk) pushing Mata out to the right as he's not quite as effective and doesn't offer any protection if the opposition counter on that side. United basically can't get the best out of either player at the same time so something has to give which is detrimental (unless you sell one of them and get a specialist in).

As for Memphis, I stroppily stated when we missed out on him that I hoped his "colourful" off-field persona led to him not being a guaranteed success at Old Trafford. It was definitely hope (or desperation) over judgement but it appears it may not be far off. His flash behaviour and ego suggests he may think he has made it and his focus has gone down the drain as a result. Whenever I've watched him he seems to put on a bit of a show in Europe but completely peripheral in the PL.

Shame, as he's clearly talented and I likely watching flair players like him in the Premier League. So many young players throughout the division going this way as they live like kings before the crown actually fits.
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Old 20-05-2016, 21:17
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I don't see it working either hence why I said reluctantly and stipulated he be paired with a defensive midfielder. I think it's a waste (and a risk) pushing Mata out to the right as he's not quite as effective and doesn't offer any protection if the opposition counter on that side. United basically can't get the best out of either player at the same time so something has to give which is detrimental (unless you sell one of them and get a specialist in).

As for Memphis, I stroppily stated when we missed out on him that I hoped his "colourful" off-field persona led to him not being a guaranteed success at Old Trafford. It was definitely hope (or desperation) over judgement but it appears it may not be far off. His flash behaviour and ego suggests he may think he has made it and his focus has gone down the drain as a result. Whenever I've watched him he seems to put on a bit of a show in Europe but completely peripheral in the PL.

Shame, as he's clearly talented and I likely watching flair players like him in the Premier League. So many young players throughout the division going this way as they live like kings before the crown actually fits.
Yes, some people certainly do need some sort of reality check, hopefully this is that for Memphis, and he comes back with a renewed determination in pre-season.

There clearly is talent within him, otherwise we would not have signed him in the first place, but to see it end up like this for him, does him nor us any good.
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Old 20-05-2016, 21:21
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Think of all that we'd have won if only we'd had Robbie Keane
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Old 20-05-2016, 21:24
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Just more confirmation that the club seems happier with the commercialism than with what's happening on the pitch.

We have stupid movie tie ins now. And mascots wearing names of X-Men with some facepainted (as was on Tuesday). Just ridiculous.
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Old 20-05-2016, 21:31
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Yes, some people certainly do need some sort of reality check, hopefully this is that for Memphis, and he comes back with a renewed determination in pre-season.

There clearly is talent within him, otherwise we would not have signed him in the first place, but to see it end up like this for him, does him nor us any good.
Agree with your sentiments there. He seems completely divorced from the reality of having a job. He seems happy enough coasting along putting in little or no effort whatsoever with a sense of entitlement based on very little actually achievement. He seems to lack any sort of self awareness whatsoever. Not good to see at all played out before your eyes on a daily basis. He needs a wake up call of some sort but he is probably oblivious to it.
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Old 21-05-2016, 06:35
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Memphis has thrown a proper strop and not travelled with United. This will get messy.


Oh dear
I still haven't forgotten his mistake in the dying seconds away to Chelsea that led to their equaliser. With those extra 2 points we'd be in the Champions League now, so he can strop all the way to another team if he wants.
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Old 21-05-2016, 06:40
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Few places reporting that today will be Van Gaal's last game in charge, regardless of the result.
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Old 21-05-2016, 09:40
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Anyone now getting Cup Final excitement?!

Shame that there is no cup final sing song this year, ahh well have got "Come on You Reds", and "Move, Move, Move", so they will be getting played so as to keep the mood a good one!

Hopefully we will prevail, I will go for a 2-1 win, what do the rest of you think?
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Old 21-05-2016, 10:06
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Few places reporting that today will be Van Gaal's last game in charge, regardless of the result.
bloody hope so BEIN Sports are reporting that Mourinho has signed a 3 year deal to take over as manager, the report is from Doha were Mourinho is said to be at the moment so the speculation is that the reports are coming from information from Jose himself if it is true is another matter but apparently all will become clear after the cup final.

As for the cup final itself, really hope we do it but have a feeling Palace will cause us problems i just hope we can win it, i will be positive and say we will win 2-1 with goals from Rooney and Rashford. Hopefully LVG can win the Cup keep up his record of winning a trophy in every country he has managed in and then retire.
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Old 21-05-2016, 10:16
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Anyone now getting Cup Final excitement?!

Shame that there is no cup final sing song this year, ahh well have got "Come on You Reds", and "Move, Move, Move", so they will be getting played so as to keep the mood a good one!

Hopefully we will prevail, I will go for a 2-1 win, what do the rest of you think?
If you can keep 11 men on the pitch (I would fret about Rojo and Fellaini in particular) you should win, even with LVG's conservatism. It's pretty much Martial/Rashford vs Bolasie/Zaha for me as I don't think either defence is set up for out and out pace.

Should be good for the neutral. As always, I just want a competitive game with no contentious decisions or double whammy red card/penalty combos.
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Old 21-05-2016, 10:25
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Anyone feeling another Smalling Wembley own goal today?

He certainly has mastered the art of it in recent weeks!

Someone should just keep him away from that area, just so it doesn't happen again!
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Old 21-05-2016, 10:43
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Anyone feeling another Smalling Wembley own goal today?

He certainly has mastered the art of it in recent weeks!

Someone should just keep him away from that area, just so it doesn't happen again!
Don't give LVG ideas - keeping Smalling away from the penalty's area... Hmmm... ie vote for it.
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Old 21-05-2016, 10:49
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Don't give LVG ideas - keeping Smalling away from the penalty's area... Hmmm... ie vote for it.
He ruined De Gea's Golden Gloves award, with that last second own goal v Bournemouth, I don't want a similar thing to happen today!
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Old 21-05-2016, 11:03
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On another note, Romero, and Rojo have been picked for Argentina's Copa America squad, so no real rest for them this summer.
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Old 21-05-2016, 12:51
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Hi new poster here so sorry if this has been discussed to death, what would you like the club to do in the summer transfer market, here's mine.

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Rooney
one of the clubs greatest players of the modern era, he's lost the physicallity that made him able to lead the line and can do a job in midfield but I'd rather a specialised player in that position. No desperation too see him leave as under a new manager he could still be useful however the wres and status of the man mean there is a belief he needs to start. don't belivie he would go to China but if Lukaku leaves I think Everton could tempt him if he was to be the main man in the run up to the World Cup.

Rojo
Makes me nervous every time he plays, constantly gets beat by his mind wanders from position and has poor distribution, not good enough for the premiership let alone man Utd

Mata
Fantastic player and a great ambassador for the club however unless he is in the number 10 role with forward players who want to run behind the defence and playing at a high tempo he struggles far too much another one I would be happy for us to keep but I think it would be mutually beneficial for him to leave and for us to return to 4-3-3

Memphis
Most people would like to give him a second season but I've seen nothing in his locker to suggest he can turn it around, with other players who were suppose to be similar like Nani who I would have kept you would put up with their more frustrating attributes as they were capable of magic they could also regularly beat a man, I think Memphis is another Kezman,alfonso Alves who will struggle outside of Holland.

Carrick/shweinsteiger
I would only keep one as they both will fill the same role as the cool head who can control the midfield a role blind can also fill, both still good players but lacking mobility I would probably keep Bastian as he is younger and although he's had a bad year I think he will be much better next year with more dynamism in front of him.

Herrera/schnerdirlin
As I mentioned I would like us to return to 4-3-3, we would Need to add a couple of top tier midfielders, Herrera similar to Mata and Rooney would not be to unhappy if we kept him I just feel there is better out there and with Lingard a similar level and also a box to box midfielder and Morgan only joining last year would make more sense to keep him, it might benefit both of us to part ways.

Fellani
Gives us a plan b but I think his physicallity is overstated he doesn't have great pace, doesn't use muscle well and constantly looks like getting sent off, too much of a liability.

Realstic signings

Kante
High energy superb ball winning midfield with a lot of pace and good distribution, if the reports are true a relatively low release clause. Would add much needed energy to our midfield. May turn out to be a one season wonder though

Ashley William/Ryan shawcross
Not probably going to be a popular suggestion but I would like smalling and mesah to be the first choice centre backs, and blind as a squad player for various positions, Jones as cover when fit. I would add one off these for when smalling isn't fit as they are both very good out and out defenders.

Kroos
Seems to be unappreciated at Madrid and the reports are he is looking for a move,would be a no brainier one of the best passers in the game rashford or would love playing with him they would be deadly together. I've got a feeling this role would be earmarked for Rooney but Kroos is a specialist here and would be much better suited

Ibrahimovic
Would be unfair on rashford to expect to much of him so soon, so he could be the short term fix while Marcus devolpment, the press seems certain Jose is coming and he can get the best out of him. Although older than Rooney is in better shape and has better technique, could be amazing for a season or two

Mahrez
Desperately lacking creativity and players who can beat a man other than martial no one else really does it would gives us that from thenright. deserved all the accolades he got last year and is very attainable. Would love him here.

Dabalya
Probably spelt wrong but I'm sure you know who I mean, lack of money in Italy make this achievable I belivie he's going to reach arguero levels of quality he's so dangerous with the ball and would be loved here.

High unlikely but pogba is another one who maybe available, if so he should be a top priority, we dropped a clanger over this and if the chance to put it right comes along we should jump at it. He's already one of the best in the world and will be for a long time, I pray he doesn't end up at city.
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Old 21-05-2016, 13:10
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Does anyone else from time to time, forget that Schweinsteiger plays for us?

When thinking of our midfield options, I forget to include him in my thoughts.

Do with that being said, if Rooney's new position is to be more of a midfield one, where does that leave Schweinsteiger?? Does he compete with Rooney for that role??
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Old 21-05-2016, 13:15
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Hi Nico_D, nice to see a new face to this forum, hopefully you will post here often, good post by the way, I agree with a fair few of your choices, although part of me would quite like to see Rooney get the few goals necessary to be our all time leading goalscorer, seeing as he is very close to that record.

I don't think getting any of Leicester's star players is that realistic a goal, as they do seem to be willing to give it a go in the Champions League together, perhaps next summer might be more realistic a time to try and sign either Kante or Marhez.
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Old 21-05-2016, 13:19
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Hi nico_D, good post by the way, I agree with a fair few of your choices, although part of me would quite like to see Rooney get the few goals necessary to be our all time leading goalscorer, seeing as he is very close to that record.

I don't think getting any of Leicester's star players is that realistic a goal, as they do seem to be willing to give it a go in the Champions League together, perhaps next summer might be more realistic a time to try and sign either Kante or Marhez.
Thanks,

I still think we could take from Leicester as I think there players know they will no be at the races again and the chance to join a big club doesn't come around all that often, the games history is littered with players who are full of regrets at turning down the chance waiting another year for a move that never materialised. Getting nothing however may prove unrealistic.
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